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Post by sdcoug on Aug 23, 2022 15:32:15 GMT -8
I have to admit, reading his quotes - he definitely said ALL the right things and definitely sounded sincere. Some may have been rehearsed, but he did a good job of making it sound contrite.
Now hopefully he goes away & we don't talk about him again until March.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 23, 2022 17:03:55 GMT -8
I thought that he said the right things. How often do baseball players get tested? If it's frequent enough, that goes with his story of getting a positive test immediately, and if that's the case then I think it does less long-term damage to his career.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 23, 2022 17:10:48 GMT -8
I thought that he said the right things. How often do baseball players get tested? If it's frequent enough, that goes with his story of getting a positive test immediately, and if that's the case then I think it does less long-term damage to his career. I believe he was quoted as saying he passed a drug test in March. Whether that's true or not is TBD. Plus, it may be easier to mask steroid use when you know you're being tested, such as heading into spring training, than at random points during the season.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2022 17:16:09 GMT -8
I thought that he said the right things. How often do baseball players get tested? If it's frequent enough, that goes with his story of getting a positive test immediately, and if that's the case then I think it does less long-term damage to his career. I believe he was quoted as saying he passed a drug test in March. Whether that's true or not is TBD. Plus, it may be easier to mask steroid use when you know you're being tested, such as heading into spring training, than at random points during the season. He was tested last year, he was tested prior to the failed test this year. Clostebol is easily detectable on a standardized drug test, so I doubt he was trying to mask anything.
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Post by junior on Aug 23, 2022 17:41:43 GMT -8
Sounds like he got religion in that room - he's also going to have the surgery, and he's not going to go away (which I think is key). He'll remain in San Diego for the remainder of the season, with the team, and then supposedly for the off-season. Time will tell, but maybe the tough love treatment got him before they lost him for good.
Still isn't fessing up to any more than ringworm and his ignorant treatment of it.
But what else did we expect?
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 23, 2022 21:39:13 GMT -8
I believe he was quoted as saying he passed a drug test in March. Whether that's true or not is TBD. Plus, it may be easier to mask steroid use when you know you're being tested, such as heading into spring training, than at random points during the season. He was tested last year, he was tested prior to the failed test this year. Clostebol is easily detectable on a standardized drug test, so I doubt he was trying to mask anything. Didn't say he was just using Clostebol previously. If using during the off-season there are much more effective resources.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 23, 2022 22:25:54 GMT -8
He was tested last year, he was tested prior to the failed test this year. Clostebol is easily detectable on a standardized drug test, so I doubt he was trying to mask anything. Didn't say he was just using Clostebol previously. If using during the off-season there are much more effective resources. I guess that is a thing then, off-season PED use for part of the year. It really feels like the testing is not stringent enough, that's way too easy to just use PED's in the offseason..
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Post by jp92grad on Aug 23, 2022 23:41:35 GMT -8
I will say this: Tatis doesn't look like he's used steroids for any significant amount of time. He's not some huge dude with enormous muscles. He uses his swing to generate a ton of power through his core. I don't know if it was an accident or not, but it's somewhat believable in his case. It's also possible that he used them for a short amount of time. Most Professional Athletes today do not need or want to get Huge with enormous muscles, they need to be able to perform and then recover (fast) and then be able to do it all over again and again with out any decline in performance over longer periods of time (like a season). They then need to have a very short recovery period and start all over again to get ready for the new (next) season. This is where all the different uses and things are used in combination (as they say, Better living though chemicals) to achieve all their goals. This is like running a hot engine, great that you do not have to "Cold-Start it" but running it hot for long periods of time will show any weaknesses in system. People always think that all steroids do is make you bigger and stronger, that's not the case all the time. You can take certain steroids (PED's) to get bigger but that does not make you stronger or better, certain "things" can make you bigger, leaner, faster to repair (muscle damage), some are slow working, some are fast working. Certain things help others work in combination some flush out quickly and others take a little longer and then some help in "masking" or hiding others. You can then get into smaller more monitored dosages as compared to athletes of yesterday with combinations (Stacking) with orals and injectables along with introducing Human Growth Hormones (HGH) into the conversation. Bottom-Line: There is NO reason for anyone to be testing dirty at the MLB level when they are paid BIG dollars to play a game. They are looking for cheaters who have a major advantage and head start on any type of testing, only idiots get caught these days. Think of it like knowing all the rules and limitations of what they can do in testing and how they will test you BUT you have all kinds of shortcuts and ways around testing. This is like having the answers to all the questions prior to the test.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 24, 2022 2:32:01 GMT -8
I will say this: Tatis doesn't look like he's used steroids for any significant amount of time. He's not some huge dude with enormous muscles. He uses his swing to generate a ton of power through his core. I don't know if it was an accident or not, but it's somewhat believable in his case. It's also possible that he used them for a short amount of time. Most Professional Athletes today do not need or want to get Huge with enormous muscles, they need to be able to perform and then recover (fast) and then be able to do it all over again and again with out any decline in performance over longer periods of time (like a season). They then need to have a very short recovery period and start all over again to get ready for the new (next) season. This is where all the different uses and things are used in combination (as they say, Better living though chemicals) to achieve all their goals. This is like running a hot engine, great that you do not have to "Cold-Start it" but running it hot for long periods of time will show any weaknesses in system. People always think that all steroids do is make you bigger and stronger, that's not the case all the time. You can take certain steroids (PED's) to get bigger but that does not make you stronger or better, certain "things" can make you bigger, leaner, faster to repair (muscle damage), some are slow working, some are fast working. Certain things help others work in combination some flush out quickly and others take a little longer and then some help in "masking" or hiding others. You can then get into smaller more monitored dosages as compared to athletes of yesterday with combinations (Stacking) with orals and injectables along with introducing Human Growth Hormones (HGH) into the conversation. Bottom-Line: There is NO reason for anyone to be testing dirty at the MLB level when they are paid BIG dollars to play a game. They are looking for cheaters who have a major advantage and head start on any type of testing, only idiots get caught these days. Think of it like knowing all the rules and limitations of what they can do in testing and how they will test you BUT you have all kinds of shortcuts and ways around testing. This is like having the answers to all the questions prior to the test. Yes I have heard of micro dosing, and certainly it's possible that he has done this. And yes steroids is only one piece of the pie, with HGH increasing height before growth plates fuse (obviously Tatis is 23 but he (or any player really) could have done it as a teenager), and improving recovery from injuries and exercises in general. There are also compounds that are competition legal and are in protein powder that slightly increase the body's production of HGH. There is a lot of different stuff out there that modulates the body's release of testosterone and or HGH. I've also heard of speculation about drugs that improve the body's reaction time and muscle fiber firing rates that are not currently on the Olympic banned list. New drugs are always being created, and every Olympics cycle is paranoia/speculation about which country's chemists has come up with a new way to make their athletes slightly better. Basically, there is a lot of different stuff out there, some illegal some legal, some that are easy to hide some that are hard to hide (unless you are micro dosing to hide it and change your body's chemical baseline). In baseball it's a million times easier to get away with it then Olympic sports. But it's still frustrating to hear about it as a fan. I wonder what percentage of baseball players use PED's in the offseason...
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Post by jp92grad on Aug 24, 2022 8:04:34 GMT -8
Most Professional Athletes today do not need or want to get Huge with enormous muscles, they need to be able to perform and then recover (fast) and then be able to do it all over again and again with out any decline in performance over longer periods of time (like a season). They then need to have a very short recovery period and start all over again to get ready for the new (next) season. This is where all the different uses and things are used in combination (as they say, Better living though chemicals) to achieve all their goals. This is like running a hot engine, great that you do not have to "Cold-Start it" but running it hot for long periods of time will show any weaknesses in system. People always think that all steroids do is make you bigger and stronger, that's not the case all the time. You can take certain steroids (PED's) to get bigger but that does not make you stronger or better, certain "things" can make you bigger, leaner, faster to repair (muscle damage), some are slow working, some are fast working. Certain things help others work in combination some flush out quickly and others take a little longer and then some help in "masking" or hiding others. You can then get into smaller more monitored dosages as compared to athletes of yesterday with combinations (Stacking) with orals and injectables along with introducing Human Growth Hormones (HGH) into the conversation. Bottom-Line: There is NO reason for anyone to be testing dirty at the MLB level when they are paid BIG dollars to play a game. They are looking for cheaters who have a major advantage and head start on any type of testing, only idiots get caught these days. Think of it like knowing all the rules and limitations of what they can do in testing and how they will test you BUT you have all kinds of shortcuts and ways around testing. This is like having the answers to all the questions prior to the test. Yes I have heard of micro dosing, and certainly it's possible that he has done this. And yes steroids is only one piece of the pie, with HGH increasing height before growth plates fuse (obviously Tatis is 23 but he (or any player really) could have done it as a teenager), and improving recovery from injuries and exercises in general. There are also compounds that are competition legal and are in protein powder that slightly increase the body's production of HGH. There is a lot of different stuff out there that modulates the body's release of testosterone and or HGH. I've also heard of speculation about drugs that improve the body's reaction time and muscle fiber firing rates that are not currently on the Olympic banned list. New drugs are always being created, and every Olympics cycle is paranoia/speculation about which country's chemists has come up with a new way to make their athletes slightly better. Basically, there is a lot of different stuff out there, some illegal some legal, some that are easy to hide some that are hard to hide (unless you are micro dosing to hide it and change your body's chemical baseline). In baseball it's a million times easier to get away with it then Olympic sports. But it's still frustrating to hear about it as a fan. I wonder what percentage of baseball players use PED's in the offseason... I was seriously into bike racing and triathlons starting in the mid 80's here in SD, right as a lot of different things were happening in the endurance sports world. I started at SDSU a few years later when I realized I chose the wrong parents (inside joke of not hitting the endurance genetic lottery) I majored in exercise science and we were talking about the incoming and abuse of EPO (brand new) and the use of HGH for increased performance. The use of Steroids was rampant at the time in the San Diego area, HUGE drug (steroid) bust guys were sneaking them across the boarder and sending them all across the country from So-Cal. People were just starting to really perfect the use of different ways of using drugs in manipulating their hormones and screw with their endocrine system like stacking and using different types of drugs for all kinds of different reasons from sports to modeling to just to look Jacked....... Drug abuse has been around for years and years and the users are always 2 to 3 steps ahead of the testers, always have been and always will be. The good guys (testers) have to play by the rules and the Cheaters (PED abusers) play by their own rules. If I was to guess I would guess that a large percentage of players (MLB,NFL and NBA) are on some type of un-natural program jacking up and manipulating there biological system to increase a un-natural level of increased performance. These guys are getting Bigger Stronger Faster every year and things are not slowing down or leveling off one bit. Back to story at hand,
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Aug 24, 2022 8:10:52 GMT -8
I wish that he would just say something like he was going crazy not being able to play, and that he took something he shouldn't have trying to heal quicker. Just man up and say it. No ringworm treatment story, or this, or that. It may not matter at this point, as the damage may have already been done. His career has definitely taken a different path at this point--for sure. I was impressed with his candor today. He owned it. Did he? Are we supposed to believe he ingested this drug inadvertently while trying to treat a skin infection?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2022 8:20:23 GMT -8
I was impressed with his candor today. He owned it. Did he? Are we supposed to believe he ingested this drug inadvertently while trying to treat a skin infection? In the Dominican Republic, this is a pretty frequent occurrence. You're often given access to off-market, non-prescribed drugs to treat a variety of things. What I'm more referring to is the fact he took responsibility for what he took, took the blame for what happened and said he would be staying in the United States for the bulk of his offseason. His handlers in the DR are toxic to this situation.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 24, 2022 12:39:10 GMT -8
Did he? Are we supposed to believe he ingested this drug inadvertently while trying to treat a skin infection? In the Dominican Republic, this is a pretty frequent occurrence. You're often given access to off-market, non-prescribed drugs to treat a variety of things. What I'm more referring to is the fact he took responsibility for what he took, took the blame for what happened and said he would be staying in the United States for the bulk of his offseason. His handlers in the DR are toxic to this situation. What may help it seem more valid would be for him to actually show the medication, since it's not available in the US & thus he couldn't have obtained it here. If he has it at his HH then maybe it adds some cred. Anyone with a clue knows it doesn't treat ring worm. But I'd rather know he was clueless than lying, but suspect the latter.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2022 13:05:36 GMT -8
In the Dominican Republic, this is a pretty frequent occurrence. You're often given access to off-market, non-prescribed drugs to treat a variety of things. What I'm more referring to is the fact he took responsibility for what he took, took the blame for what happened and said he would be staying in the United States for the bulk of his offseason. His handlers in the DR are toxic to this situation. What may help it seem more valid would be for him to actually show the medication, since it's not available in the US & thus he couldn't have obtained it here. If he has it at his HH then maybe it adds some cred. Anyone with a clue knows it doesn't treat ring worm. But I'd rather know he was clueless than lying, but suspect the latter. In the end, it really doesn't matter. Just needs to put it to bed and move forward so the team can, too.
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