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Post by aztecryan on Nov 18, 2020 16:36:39 GMT -8
His injury was different than Clevinger's, so I don't think a comparison of the two situations is fair. I think it's more than fair, based on part of your own post earlier--"...a lot of poor decisions that have been made on the medical front." That was mostly tied to Clevinger, but it's more than just Lamet. It's a system issue.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 25, 2020 12:24:46 GMT -8
YES!! Signing another pitcher for 2 years, but only having him available for 1, due to his Tommy John Surgery scheduled for tomorrow. Signing trading for another pitcher for 2 years, but only having him available for 1. We just come out on the losing end all time when trading with the Indians. every single time! Fun note : With today's DFA of Adam Cimber and the previous decline of Brad Hand's option, the Indians have now severed ties with both pitchers in the Mejia deal. Not quite the fleecing some make it out to be.
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Post by ignoranus on Nov 25, 2020 15:15:48 GMT -8
Bring back the hockey playing pitcher.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 26, 2020 9:55:15 GMT -8
Another TJ surgery in baseball.
Too many kids being forced to bump their fastball up to 98. The art of pitching, movement, location, command died with the modern strike zone.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 26, 2020 15:07:42 GMT -8
Another TJ surgery in baseball. Too many kids being forced to bump their fastball up to 98. The art of pitching, movement, location, command died with the modern strike zone. Most pitchers get hurt because of poor mechanics, an accumulation of innings (college arms in particular) and elbow torque associated with breaking balls like sliders. It's not usually fastballs that blow up elbows.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 27, 2020 4:37:08 GMT -8
The Padres got 19 innings from Clevenger before his arm flamed out, done in 21. The Indians knew exactly when to unload him.
I remember when starting pitchers used to throw 250 innings year in and year out. Human beings have not devolved, arms have not gotten weaker or less durable over the years. Obviously pitchers are being forced to throw harder and harder. It used to be teams would have one or two “hard throwers” on the staff who would bring 95, now it’s practically everyone.
It’s the revised strike zone. The Greg Maddox art of pitching has been replaced with Rob Dibble.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 27, 2020 14:54:00 GMT -8
The Padres got 19 innings from Clevenger before his arm flamed out, done in 21. The Indians knew exactly when to unload him. I remember when starting pitchers used to throw 250 innings year in and year out. Human beings have not devolved, arms have not gotten weaker or less durable over the years. Obviously pitchers are being forced to throw harder and harder. It used to be teams would have one or two “hard throwers” on the staff who would bring 95, now it’s practically everyone. It’s the revised strike zone. The Greg Maddox art of pitching has been replaced with Rob Dibble. With greater access to analytics, more focus on heavier throwing programs and an increase in breaking ball utilization, this isn't going to go away.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 28, 2020 13:04:30 GMT -8
The Padres got 19 innings from Clevenger before his arm flamed out, done in 21. The Indians knew exactly when to unload him. I remember when starting pitchers used to throw 250 innings year in and year out. Human beings have not devolved, arms have not gotten weaker or less durable over the years. Obviously pitchers are being forced to throw harder and harder. It used to be teams would have one or two “hard throwers” on the staff who would bring 95, now it’s practically everyone. It’s the revised strike zone. The Greg Maddox art of pitching has been replaced with Rob Dibble. With greater access to analytics, more focus on heavier throwing programs and an increase in breaking ball utilization, this isn't going to go away. That’s all well and good, but it’s clear the Padres got damaged goods in this trade. The guy was on the shelf for the first 4 weeks of the season, gets traded to the Pads and his arm stops working after 180 pitches??
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 28, 2020 13:48:06 GMT -8
With greater access to analytics, more focus on heavier throwing programs and an increase in breaking ball utilization, this isn't going to go away. That’s all well and good, but it’s clear the Padres got damaged goods in this trade. The guy was on the shelf for the first 4 weeks of the season, gets traded to the Pads and his arm stops working after 180 pitches?? What are you talking about? He started the second game of the season for the Indians.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 28, 2020 16:12:56 GMT -8
That’s all well and good, but it’s clear the Padres got damaged goods in this trade. The guy was on the shelf for the first 4 weeks of the season, gets traded to the Pads and his arm stops working after 180 pitches?? What are you talking about? He started the second game of the season for the Indians. He made 3 starts, then was on the shelf for 3-4 weeks. He had some “arm issue” and also broke COVID-19 seclusion......was benched/shelved and subsequently traded. He was on my fantasy team, a bit of a disappointment.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 28, 2020 16:32:09 GMT -8
What are you talking about? He started the second game of the season for the Indians. He made 3 starts, then was on the shelf for 3-4 weeks. He had some “arm issue” and also broke COVID-19 seclusion......was benched/shelved and subsequently traded. He was on my fantasy team, a bit of a disappointment. He was put on the restricted list prior to his August 11th start, then sent to the alternate site on August 14th. He was activated after the minimum time had elapsed, then traded prior to his next start.
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Post by survalli on Mar 29, 2022 15:46:46 GMT -8
Since 2018, Clevinger's ranks in some pretty important categories : 28.3% K% - 18th in MLB 2.92 ERA - 8th in MLB 3.23 FIP - 13th in MLB .219 BAA - 16th in MLB 1.13 WHIP - 17th in MLB Average pitchers don't post those numbers. yes 2018 was a great year. the body of his work raises yellow flags. if he was a stock he would be a risky stock. how is our risky stock doing after being pulled early?
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 29, 2022 16:52:48 GMT -8
yes 2018 was a great year. the body of his work raises yellow flags. if he was a stock he would be a risky stock. how is our risky stock doing after being pulled early? In his first start in 18 months? In spring training? Really?
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Post by survalli on Mar 29, 2022 19:00:21 GMT -8
how is our risky stock doing after being pulled early? In his first start in 18 months? In spring training? Really? i mean really how is he doing? getting pulled that early after so few pitches, wouldnt you be concerned about his well being?
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 29, 2022 19:43:09 GMT -8
In his first start in 18 months? In spring training? Really? i mean really how is he doing? getting pulled that early after so few pitches, wouldnt you be concerned about his well being? So few pitches? He threw close to 60 pitches. He was only slated to pitch three innings as it is. No, I wouldn't be concerned.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 29, 2022 19:53:41 GMT -8
i mean really how is he doing? getting pulled that early after so few pitches, wouldnt you be concerned about his well being? So few pitches? He threw close to 60 pitches. He was only slated to pitch three innings as it is. No, I wouldn't be concerned. Close to 60 pitches in 1 2/3 innings??? Wow.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 29, 2022 20:18:51 GMT -8
So few pitches? He threw close to 60 pitches. He was only slated to pitch three innings as it is. No, I wouldn't be concerned. Close to 60 pitches in 1 2/3 innings??? Wow. Was removed at 40 pitches in the second, came out again in the third and didn't record an out. Team wanted to get him to a pitch count. Process > results.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 29, 2022 20:27:41 GMT -8
Close to 60 pitches in 1 2/3 innings??? Wow. Was removed at 40 pitches in the second, came out again in the third and didn't record an out. Team wanted to get him to a pitch count. Process > results. He definitely needs his innings/pitches.
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Post by survalli on Mar 30, 2022 13:22:07 GMT -8
Close to 60 pitches in 1 2/3 innings??? Wow. Was removed at 40 pitches in the second, came out again in the third and didn't record an out. Team wanted to get him to a pitch count. Process > results. i did not hear he went back into the game after being removed. didnt know that was possible. i only heard 40 pitches. which is not alot. he throws that many in warmups.
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 30, 2022 13:30:56 GMT -8
Was removed at 40 pitches in the second, came out again in the third and didn't record an out. Team wanted to get him to a pitch count. Process > results. i did not hear he went back into the game after being removed. didnt know that was possible. i only heard 40 pitches. which is not alot. he throws that many in warmups. Probably best to at least look at a box score before sending out alarm bells - It's allowed in spring for the exact purpose of trying to get pitch counts up. Regardless, if he threw 40 pitches in three innings, he wasn't going to go five or six.
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