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Post by survalli on Aug 31, 2020 9:07:42 GMT -8
guy is an oddball, would have been happy Plesac and more.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 31, 2020 9:22:30 GMT -8
Ok, now I’m happy.
Exactly what the Pads needed, a legit #1 bada$$ starting pitcher. Wow. Preller made some deals!
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 9:43:53 GMT -8
The Padres still have the #2 farm system in baseball, even after all of the moves. Trading away fringe assets while keeping the farm intact is a masterpiece work by the GM.
The lineup now includes 7 players with an OPS of .900 or higher. The rotation now has a bonafide frontline guy for the next 2+ seasons. You have a legitimate core of young talent now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 9:48:53 GMT -8
I give Preller high marks for his aggressiveness. Dealt away Cantillo and Trammell, kept his "best of the best" prospects around. And acquired some great, and controllable talent.
I admire it.
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Post by survalli on Aug 31, 2020 9:58:00 GMT -8
The Padres still have the #2 farm system in baseball, even after all of the moves. Trading away fringe assets while keeping the farm intact is a masterpiece work by the GM. The lineup now includes 7 players with an OPS of .900 or higher. The rotation now has a bonafide frontline guy for the next 2+ seasons. You have a legitimate core of young talent now. Trammell fringe now?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 10:01:10 GMT -8
I give Preller high marks for his aggressiveness. Dealt away Cantillo and Trammell, kept his "best of the best" prospects around. And acquired some great, and controllable talent. I admire it. Gore. Patiño. Abrams. Campusano. Head. Weathers. Marcano. Wilcox. Hassell. Hunt. Caissie. Mena. Preciado. Lawson. Santana. All Padres. And now you have a core of Grisham (23), Tatis (21), Cronenworth (26), Machado (28), Paddack (24), Patiño (20), Lamet (29) and Clevinger (29) all under control for multiple seasons.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 10:01:57 GMT -8
The Padres still have the #2 farm system in baseball, even after all of the moves. Trading away fringe assets while keeping the farm intact is a masterpiece work by the GM. The lineup now includes 7 players with an OPS of .900 or higher. The rotation now has a bonafide frontline guy for the next 2+ seasons. You have a legitimate core of young talent now. Trammell fringe now? The organization clearly determined that. He was Rule 5 eligible in December and couldn't beat out Profar and Mateo.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 31, 2020 10:07:29 GMT -8
Padre bullpen since August 17th : 59 innings, 3.36 ERA/3.13 FIP. 1.1 WAR. Third best in baseball over that span. 59 innings in 13 games. The BP will be on fumes if that continues.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 10:14:35 GMT -8
Padre bullpen since August 17th : 59 innings, 3.36 ERA/3.13 FIP. 1.1 WAR. Third best in baseball over that span. 59 innings in 13 games. The BP will be on fumes if that continues. Not sure how. They have an off day tomorrow, followed by 15 straight games, then 3 off days out of 11. I feel like people aren't paying attention to the fact that starting innings have dropped across the league. MLB average (as of last week) was 4.7 IP from starters. Those numbers include multiple bullpen games. Now, with Clevinger, they should be more than fine.
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Post by survalli on Aug 31, 2020 10:18:37 GMT -8
not a Clevinger fan, avg pitcher, which i suppose means he "good" now. Slightly better than the guy from KC that washed out a few years ago. wish we would have got more. will wait to see the player to be determined later. i am ok with losing Naylor/France but losing them both, seems like a huge clubhouse loss.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 10:22:37 GMT -8
not a Clevinger fan, avg pitcher, which i suppose means he "good" now. Slightly better than the guy from KC that washed out a few years ago. wish we would have got more. will wait to see the player to be determined later. i am ok with losing Naylor/France but losing them both, seems like a huge clubhouse loss. LOL. Average? He's a top 15 pitcher in baseball since 2018. The PTBNL is Matt Waldron, a reliever who was a 18th round pick in 2019. 4 walks in 45+ innings across 2 levels, with 57 strikeouts.
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Post by survalli on Aug 31, 2020 10:30:42 GMT -8
The PTBNL is Matt Waldron, a reliever who was a 18th round pick in 2019. 4 walks in 45+ innings across 2 levels, with 57 strikeouts. As i said "Avg" is good now, but he is no Ace. his post season numbers are horrendous. the Waldron pickup will make up for Clevinger's propensity to walk people. im cool with Waldron.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 31, 2020 10:35:37 GMT -8
59 innings in 13 games. The BP will be on fumes if that continues. Not sure how. They have an off day tomorrow, followed by 15 straight games, then 3 off days out of 11. I feel like people aren't paying attention to the fact that starting innings have dropped across the league. MLB average (as of last week) was 4.7 IP from starters. Those numbers include multiple bullpen games. Now, with Clevinger, they should be more than fine. So then, our BP won't be the only ones on fumes as the season winds down. And with the Padres BP at over 4.5 innings during their 13 game stretch, our starters are even below that 4.7 innings per game stat.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 10:37:00 GMT -8
The PTBNL is Matt Waldron, a reliever who was a 18th round pick in 2019. 4 walks in 45+ innings across 2 levels, with 57 strikeouts. As i said "Avg" is good now, but he is no Ace. the Waldron pickup will make up for Clevinger's propensity to walk people. im cool with Waldron. He's a frontline guy in every statistical category. Calling him average or good is an insult. He was worth nearly 5 WAR last year in 126 innings. That's elite.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 10:37:48 GMT -8
Not sure how. They have an off day tomorrow, followed by 15 straight games, then 3 off days out of 11. I feel like people aren't paying attention to the fact that starting innings have dropped across the league. MLB average (as of last week) was 4.7 IP from starters. Those numbers include multiple bullpen games. Now, with Clevinger, they should be more than fine. So then, our BP won't be the only ones on fumes as the season winds down. And with the Padres BP at over 4.5 innings during their 13 game stretch, our starters are even below that 4.7 innings per game stat. And somehow, we still just keep winning. Magic.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 10:48:16 GMT -8
As i said "Avg" is good now, but he is no Ace. the Waldron pickup will make up for Clevinger's propensity to walk people. im cool with Waldron. He's a frontline guy in every statistical category. Calling him average or good is an insult. He was worth nearly 5 WAR last year in 126 innings. That's elite. Since 2018, Clevinger's ranks in some pretty important categories : 28.3% K% - 18th in MLB 2.92 ERA - 8th in MLB 3.23 FIP - 13th in MLB .219 BAA - 16th in MLB 1.13 WHIP - 17th in MLB Average pitchers don't post those numbers.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 31, 2020 10:59:47 GMT -8
So then, our BP won't be the only ones on fumes as the season winds down. And with the Padres BP at over 4.5 innings during their 13 game stretch, our starters are even below that 4.7 innings per game stat. And somehow, we still just keep winning. Magic. 3-3 since the winning streak. 10-8 since August 11th, which includes the 7 game win streak, and the 5 game losing streak before it. It's easy to pick out whatever you (or I) want to. Barring a complete collapse, the Padres will make the playoffs. Which was true even before all of the trades. They may now have enough to go deep into the playoffs, which also may have been true before all of the trades.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 11:09:43 GMT -8
And somehow, we still just keep winning. Magic. 3-3 since the winning streak. 10-8 since August 11th, which includes the 7 game win streak, and the 5 game losing streak before it. It's easy to pick out whatever you (or I) want to. Barring a complete collapse, the Padres will make the playoffs. Which was true even before all of the trades. They may now have enough to go deep into the playoffs, which also may have been true before all of the trades. Brilliantly stated, sir. Absolutely agreed.
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Post by survalli on Aug 31, 2020 11:14:54 GMT -8
He's a frontline guy in every statistical category. Calling him average or good is an insult. He was worth nearly 5 WAR last year in 126 innings. That's elite. Since 2018, Clevinger's ranks in some pretty important categories : 28.3% K% - 18th in MLB 2.92 ERA - 8th in MLB 3.23 FIP - 13th in MLB .219 BAA - 16th in MLB 1.13 WHIP - 17th in MLB Average pitchers don't post those numbers. yes 2018 was a great year. the body of his work raises yellow flags. if he was a stock he would be a risky stock.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 31, 2020 11:27:55 GMT -8
Since 2018, Clevinger's ranks in some pretty important categories : 28.3% K% - 18th in MLB 2.92 ERA - 8th in MLB 3.23 FIP - 13th in MLB .219 BAA - 16th in MLB 1.13 WHIP - 17th in MLB Average pitchers don't post those numbers. yes 2018 was a great year. the body of his work raises yellow flags. if he was a stock he would be a risky stock. That was 2018 until now. Meaning up until today. This very moment. He was drafted by the Angels (one of the worst pitching development organizations in baseball) and Cleveland essentially re-booted him with a new arsenal when he was traded. He missed time last year with a back muscle strain, but posted a 1.74 ERA from July 24th to September 3rd after he returned off the IL. Every pitcher has risk, especially in a condensed season. He was, by a wide margin, the best starter available.
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