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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 13, 2024 9:07:26 GMT -8
I think you missed my point. If 9 MW teams leave, they can all vote to waive the exit fee. Voting rights are terminated once you give notice. SDSU, FSU, BSU and CSU no longer have voting rights. I think the remaining teams will want to collect the exit fees and buyout $ from the Pac/ 4 departing teams, before they exit. That's assuming all the departing teams pay in one lump sum, which is highly doubtful. More likely payments will be made. Will the other teams want to wait for that, especially if they have the ability to jump ship into more stable conferences? I dunno. |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Sept 13, 2024 9:20:59 GMT -8
Exit fees seem exorbitant. Don't really see why WSU and OSU ever agreed to them. I suspect it had something to do with MWC having them somewhat over a barrel, football schedule wise (for 2024). Also, I think at that point, OSU and WSU still entertained hopes that they might get an invite from a P4 conference, which of course would have negated the MW exit fees question. |
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 13, 2024 9:48:48 GMT -8
Exit fees seem exorbitant. Don't really see why WSU and OSU ever agreed to them. I suspect it had something to do with MWC having them somewhat over a barrel, football schedule wise (for 2024). Also, I think at that point, OSU and WSU still entertained hopes that they might get an invite from a P4 conference, which of course would have negated the MW exit fees question. You just hope the smarter people made the decision for these teams to jump out of the MWC and into the PAC and NOT THE DESPERATE people. There are still soo many moving parts and questions to be answered but it seems like the first step forward in many many years in moving up and not just moving over. Go Aztecs! |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 13, 2024 10:22:14 GMT -8
I think you missed my point. If 9 MW teams leave, they can all vote to waive the exit fee. Voting rights are terminated once you give notice. SDSU, FSU, BSU and CSU no longer have voting rights. I think the remaining teams will want to collect the exit fees and buyout $ from the Pac/ 4 departing teams, before they exit. The remains teams can’t leave… we have provided notice and will have fees due, but they aren’t due until we actually exit in two years… the remaining 5 or 6 schools can’t say we want the money and then leave in a month or year… they have to be in the MWC in July of 2026… The hope is that enough folks end up in good positions that the remaining folks don’t want to rebuild with NDSU, Montana, etc. so they in turn take a position in the Sunbelt or CUSA… |
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Sept 13, 2024 10:29:15 GMT -8
Oregon State Washington State San Diego State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State UNLV UTSA Tulane Memphis This would be the best group in my opinion. If they are readyTo expand they have already had media conversations . Hmmm...Oregon St. is missing from your list. Personally, UNLV is also the only MWC school I'd add to our current group. List of prospects:Tulane: Academic Ranking #73. Total Enrollment: 13,000+ North Texas: Academic Ranking #260. Total Enrollment: 47,000+. Location: Dallas UNLV: Academic Ranking #269. Total Enrollment: 29,000+ Memphis: Academic Ranking #269. Total Enrollment: 17,000+ UTSA: Academic Ranking #280. Total Enrollment: 32,000+. It's the only Tier 1 university in San Antonio. I added these two just for FYI. South Florida: Academic Ranking #89 Total Enrollment: 48,000+ Florida Atlantic: Academic Ranking #209 Total Enrollment: 27,000+ Looking below, we're clearly nowhere near the academic prestige of the previous PAC12 so if we are to expand, it's the value and TV viewership that we should/will look into. BUT if we are to at least entice Calford to come back, we'd have to consider adding Rice (Academic Ranking #17) and Tulane. SDSU: Academic Ranking #105Oregon St.: Academic Ranking #142Colorado St.: Academic Ranking #151Washington State: Academic Ranking #178Fresno St.: Academic Ranking #185Boise St.: Academic Ranking #332 |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 13, 2024 10:32:50 GMT -8
Oregon State Washington State San Diego State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State UNLV UTSA Tulane Memphis This would be the best group in my opinion. If they are readyTo expand they have already had media conversations . Hmmm...Oregon St. is missing from your list. Personally, UNLV is also the only MWC school I'd add to our current group. List of prospects:Tulane: Academic Ranking #73. Total Enrollment: 13,000+ North Texas: Academic Ranking #260. Total Enrollment: 47,000+. Location: Dallas UNLV: Academic Ranking #269. Total Enrollment: 29,000+ Memphis: Academic Ranking #269. Total Enrollment: 17,000+ UTSA: Academic Ranking #280. Total Enrollment: 32,000+. It's the only Tier 1 university in San Antonio. I added these two just for FYI. South Florida: Academic Ranking #89 Total Enrollment: 48,000+ Florida Atlantic: Academic Ranking #209 Total Enrollment: 27,000+ Looking below, we're clearly nowhere near the academic prestige of the previous PAC12 so if we are to expand, it's the value and TV viewership that we should/will look into. BUT if we are to at least entice Calford to come back, we'd have to consider adding Rice (Academic Ranking #17) and Tulane. SDSU: Academic Ranking #105Oregon St.: Academic Ranking #142Colorado St.: Academic Ranking #151Washington State: Academic Ranking #178Fresno St.: Academic Ranking #185Boise St.: Academic Ranking #332Boise is like a JC really |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Sept 13, 2024 10:42:20 GMT -8
I’m all in on UTSA. Not because where it is currently as a university but where it will be in 10 years.
They’ve just invested $57M into athletic facilities. They have a master plan and land for a new arena, 35,000 seat football stadium, track stadium, tennis complex, soccer stadium, softball complex and baseball complex.
Their enrollment is 35,000 with plans to increase that to 45,000. They are already R1 and has a strategic plan in place to become a AAU university.
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Post by missiontrails on Sept 13, 2024 10:57:33 GMT -8
Oregon State Washington State San Diego State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State UNLV UTSA Tulane Memphis This would be the best group in my opinion. If they are readyTo expand they have already had media conversations . Personally, UNLV is also the only MWC school I'd add to our current group. List of prospects:Tulane: Academic Ranking #73. Total Enrollment: 13,000+ North Texas: Academic Ranking #260. Total Enrollment: 47,000+. Location: Dallas UNLV: Academic Ranking #269. Total Enrollment: 29,000+ Memphis: Academic Ranking #269. Total Enrollment: 17,000+ UTSA: Academic Ranking #280. Total Enrollment: 32,000+. It's the only Tier 1 university in San Antonio. I added these two just for FYI. South Florida: Academic Ranking #89 Total Enrollment: 48,000+ Florida Atlantic: Academic Ranking #209 Total Enrollment: 27,000+ Looking below, we're clearly nowhere near the academic prestige of the previous PAC12 so if we are to expand, it's the value and TV viewership that we should/will look into. BUT if we are to at least entice Calford to come back, we'd have to consider adding Rice (Academic Ranking #17) and Tulane. SDSU: Academic Ranking #105Oregon St.: Academic Ranking #142Colorado St.: Academic Ranking #151Washington State: Academic Ranking #178Fresno St.: Academic Ranking #185Boise St.: Academic Ranking #332Oregon St is the first one listed |
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Post by standiego on Sept 13, 2024 12:26:20 GMT -8
isn't most expansion of conferences based on TV audience so TV networks can sell ads NOT educational levels ?
agree getting into Texas is advantageous for Tv and recruiting
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 13, 2024 15:37:11 GMT -8
I’m all in on UTSA. Not because where it is currently as a university but where it will be in 10 years. They’ve just invested $57M into athletic facilities. They have a master plan and land for a new arena, 35,000 seat football stadium, track stadium, tennis complex, soccer stadium, softball complex and baseball complex. Their enrollment is 35,000 with plans to increase that to 45,000. They are already R1 and has a strategic plan in place to become a AAU university. Well, that sounds good.  |
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 13, 2024 15:38:44 GMT -8
#332? Geez.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 13, 2024 16:13:01 GMT -8
Exit fees seem exorbitant. Don't really see why WSU and OSU ever agreed to them. They had no choice. They either work with the MWC on THEIR terms of they don't play a full FBS schedule last year. Legally, one could argue that The PAC2 was under "duress" in signing a contract loaded in favor of the MWC, or one could say that the MWC had "undue influence" over the PAC that they used to their advantage. If challenged in court, I don't see the amounts demanded by the MWC being upheld because the MWC will have to quantify, in dollars, the damages done to them. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 13, 2024 16:16:56 GMT -8
I’m all in on UTSA. Not because where it is currently as a university but where it will be in 10 years. They’ve just invested $57M into athletic facilities. They have a master plan and land for a new arena, 35,000 seat football stadium, track stadium, tennis complex, soccer stadium, softball complex and baseball complex. Their enrollment is 35,000 with plans to increase that to 45,000. They are already R1 and has a strategic plan in place to become a AAU university. Yes, they have the highest potential of any AAC school currently. |
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Post by LostAztec on Sept 13, 2024 20:01:23 GMT -8
Wait, did Wicker turn down a 1/2 share to join the Big 12? Wow, that’s a fire able offense. $16 mil and we could be in Conference with the 4C's. smh |
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 13, 2024 20:02:41 GMT -8
Hacksaw sure seemed bummed that we are now in the PAC.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 13, 2024 20:11:17 GMT -8
Wait, did Wicker turn down a 1/2 share to join the Big 12? Wow, that’s a fire able offense. $16 mil and we could be in Conference with the 4C's. smh No commitment to ever being a full member as well. |
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Post by LostAztec on Sept 13, 2024 20:52:52 GMT -8
Questions I have: Would SDSU have been given the option to join the Big 12 and place Olympic Sports in the Big West or another small western conference? (It would reduce travel costs, even if it was a short term solution until SDSU was able to get access to the full share payout). Would SDSU have vastly improved national viability with the Big 12 vs being hidden on CBS Sports. Given the MW teams we play move the needle backwards every year, how much would Big 12 opponents (even the diluted Big 12) ticket sales, attendance, and overall local perception of the program. How much would Snapdragon revenue with the Wave, MLS and year round events able to offset only getting 1/2 share of Big 12 money? Why would State not want to play Basketball in the XII right away ? Most of our games would be on ESPN+ Bank it. W Even in the Pac at full revenue State couldnt compete in NIL. |
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Post by LostAztec on Sept 13, 2024 20:59:20 GMT -8
Interesting aspect to the article was Gloria’s comment that they are working on unequal revenue distribution for NCAAT credits and CFP to keep top half of the conference. What percentage of the NCAAT credits would it take to make staying in this flea bitten conference worth it? I've always believed the School that earned the Credits or Bowl Revenue should keep half. They earned it. Not the bottom feeders begging for their "piece of the action." |
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 14, 2024 7:07:40 GMT -8
A dose of reality. The best analysis I've heard so far. While most of the pretender youtube wannabes sport jocks blather about nonsense, and as much as I dislike Monty, I find this particular show to be pretty spot on. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Z-VhBlzyQ |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 14, 2024 7:29:45 GMT -8
I suspect it had something to do with MWC having them somewhat over a barrel, football schedule wise (for 2024). Also, I think at that point, OSU and WSU still entertained hopes that they might get an invite from a P4 conference, which of course would have negated the MW exit fees question. You just hope the smarter people made the decision for these teams to jump out of the MWC and into the PAC and NOT THE DESPERATE people. There are still soo many moving parts and questions to be answered but it seems like the first step forward in many many years in moving up and not just moving over. Go Aztecs! At least at State, Adela would not be able to move on something like this without soliciting advice from outside consultants like JMI (AKA John Moores), some influential members of the campanile board (Doyle, Neal, and Sickels), and would certainly have to ensure that members of the CSU board were notified (AKA Jack McGrory). And then you are going to make sure your most influential stakeholders are advised specifically Adam Day who is the CAO for Sycuan, on the zoo board, and a former trustee of the CSU. When EH was almost hoodwinked by sucker city, the days of boosters just writing checks ended at State. |
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