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Post by TruAztec on Sept 9, 2024 19:05:28 GMT -8
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 9, 2024 19:14:45 GMT -8
Wait, did Wicker turn down a 1/2 share to join the Big 12? Wow, that’s a fire able offense.
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Post by imtharealist on Sept 9, 2024 19:54:05 GMT -8
Wait, did Wicker turn down a 1/2 share to join the Big 12? Wow, that’s a fire able offense. Half share at their old TV deal rate? When at the time there was still a PAC 10 that included Washington and Oregon? I don’t think he should’ve taken that deal either. That would’ve sold us short for years, granted in hindsight since the PAC folded it is better than where we are now but come on… the league fell apart at the eleventh hour, press releases were already made. Just sucks ESPN and Fox pulled the rug under State. |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 9, 2024 20:00:51 GMT -8
Wait, did Wicker turn down a 1/2 share to join the Big 12? Wow, that’s a fire able offense. Half share at their old TV deal rate? When at the time there was still a PAC 10 that included Washington and Oregon? I don’t think he should’ve taken that deal either. That would’ve sold us short for years, granted in hindsight since the PAC folded it is better than where we are now but come on… the league fell apart at the eleventh hour, press releases were already made. Just sucks ESPN and Fox pulled the rug under State. We got royally f****d by the PAC. At least OSU and WSU got a boat load of money to ease their pain. We got zippo. Many players and recruits came to SDSU with the thought we'd be in a P5 conference and when that didn't happen they pretty much all bailed. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 9, 2024 20:08:54 GMT -8
Wait, did Wicker turn down a 1/2 share to join the Big 12? Wow, that’s a fire able offense. Half share at their old TV deal rate? When at the time there was still a PAC 10 that included Washington and Oregon? I don’t think he should’ve taken that deal either. That would’ve sold us short for years, granted in hindsight since the PAC folded it is better than where we are now but come on… the league fell apart at the eleventh hour, press releases were already made. Just sucks ESPN and Fox pulled the rug under State. They were making $30M before. So we could be making $15M ion TV plus NCAA money instead of $4M from the MW. That would have been selling us short? |
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 9, 2024 20:14:57 GMT -8
I think people forget that we were on to make close to $25-30M a year w/ the Pac12. No one predicted them to implode. So yes, $15M as a half share and no increase with new tv deal stunk in comparison. Of course hindsight is 20/20 had we known the P12 would die.
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 9, 2024 20:23:35 GMT -8
Always thought/wanted Big 12 as overall exciting! Basketball would of been awsome and thought we would at least be .500+ by 5 years? But, alas we are right where we were for the last 15 years, always lookin up.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 9, 2024 20:40:20 GMT -8
The PAC 2’s most likely path is a PAC 8 rebuild. If there is a rebuild sdsu will be at the top of the list.
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Post by aztecm on Sept 9, 2024 21:23:03 GMT -8
I think people forget that we were on to make close to $25-30M a year w/ the Pac12. No one predicted them to implode. So yes, $15M as a half share and no increase with new tv deal stunk in comparison. Of course hindsight is 20/20 had we known the P12 would die. And at that point, the closest schools were in Texas. 4 corners were still just a dream for the big 12. Travel was a major deterrent to the initial discussion for big 12/SDSU if I remember right. My best guess is we were just a backup contingency if the PAC stayed intact. Instead a 100 year old conference blows up and we’re still in the MW. |
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Post by montysden on Sept 9, 2024 21:33:14 GMT -8
The PAC 2’s most likely path is a PAC 8 rebuild. If there is a rebuild sdsu will be at the top of the list. It will feel exactly the same as when the MWC split from the WAC. Hooray? |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 9, 2024 21:39:51 GMT -8
The PAC 2’s most likely path is a PAC 8 rebuild. If there is a rebuild sdsu will be at the top of the list. It will feel exactly the same as when the MWC split from the WAC. Hooray? It better than nothing. |
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Post by gentlesaztec on Sept 10, 2024 6:38:23 GMT -8
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Post by sdsu2000 on Sept 10, 2024 9:45:39 GMT -8
I wanted the Big 12 over the Pac 12 because I felt that there were more members that were stuck and didn’t have better options.
But taking the Big 12 at half the amount vs Pac 12 full or half the amount seems like a no brainer. Pac 12 would have been better.
There’s just no way our football program could ever compete in the Big 12 given such an enormous revenue gap. Hopefully something happens with the ACC and they need us, OSU and WSU and we can at least take a step up from the MW.
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Post by MontezumasRevenge on Sept 10, 2024 10:56:38 GMT -8
I think people forget that we were on to make close to $25-30M a year w/ the Pac12. No one predicted them to implode. So yes, $15M as a half share and no increase with new tv deal stunk in comparison. Of course hindsight is 20/20 had we known the P12 would die. Nah, there were definitely people who knew/recognized the Pac was at risk of falling apart, provided you were willing to step outside of the Aztec Mesa echo chamber and be the least bit objective. Also, the Pac figure was a projected number versus what the Big 12 had already been contractually guaranteed - big difference. It's been officially reported that the P12 presidents didn't know the exact terms of the deal until Aug 1st. If they didn't know the details, we certainly didn't either. So we basically brushed off a tangible offer from Yormark only to sit around for 9-10 months hoping and praying things would work out. I read Wicker's quote in this article with regards to the B12 offer as damage control/CYA. If the deal was so bad, how come he didn't mention it when he was asked about it in the podcast interview he did that was posted here on AM a few months ago? His comment from the interview was simply: "Could we have gotten into the Big 12 at a discounted rate? Maybe". And that was it. If it was truly a non-starter, why did he make public statements last Spring indicating the B12 was a viable option for us? With regards to the B12 deal, I'd be interested to know if that half share also included playoff and tournament credits, since with those factored in the conference is expected to take in closer to $50M per year once the playoff is expanded. That would make the decision even more inexcusable. |
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Post by bschmurda on Sept 10, 2024 11:35:55 GMT -8
Pac at a full share vs B12 at a half share is a no brainier -- obviously with hindsight it looks like the wrong decision.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 10, 2024 11:56:27 GMT -8
Wait, did Wicker turn down a 1/2 share to join the Big 12? Wow, that’s a fire able offense. Sounds like half share for the length of the current media rights deal which would put us well behind the other conference members financially. |
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 10, 2024 12:00:59 GMT -8
Pac at a full share vs B12 at a half share is a no brainier -- obviously with hindsight it looks like the wrong decision. I remember back when it was all the talk, I was a Big12 vote up until they started the half share stuff. The feeling was that they would never be anything other then the little brothers at half share. Then it all shifted to PAC12/10 with full share and 2-3 times what they were making with the MWC and everyone was totally on-board with the PAC at that time. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 10, 2024 12:09:36 GMT -8
The PAC 2’s most likely path is a PAC 8 rebuild. If there is a rebuild sdsu will be at the top of the list. Its addition by subtraction. Now way that the PAC is going to have to pay $67.5M to lure 6 MWC teams and absolutely no way the MWC is going to get the $10M+ per team and an exit fee from the leaving schools to boot. There is no way they could substantiate that the conference was damaged that much, and they would have to in a court challenge. With recent precedence, I see no more than $7-8M per school paid over 2 or 3 years to leave the MWC. Boise would pay more based on their "sweetheart" deal with the MWC. That would make the conference: OSU Wazzu SDSU UNLV CSU BSU? Fresno? AFA? As for the questions: 1. If OSU/Wazzu think that both or one of Calford may bounce back quickly then you cannot have Boise or Fresno in the mix. Best additions to replace would be from Tulane, UTSA, UNT or Memphis. UTSA and UNT, being probational members, may come at a cheaper price. 2. AFA may not want to leave, the AAC is a better fit for them with the other service academies, so then do you go for something like Hawaii(FB)/Gonzaga. Hawaii would be acceptable to Calford. One thing that most definitely be attractive for SDSU: 1. 14 game BB schedule. We now play a 20 game conference schedule. 2. Likely better media deal as you are not subsidizing those schools in the bottom tier markets. 3. Likely better terms for any potential exit. We sure as hell don't want to sing another agreement that can be changed later on to keep us from leaving. 4. Much fewer games at altitude. 5. It gets us out of this chickenshit conference. |
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Post by MontezumasRevenge on Sept 10, 2024 12:09:44 GMT -8
Wait, did Wicker turn down a 1/2 share to join the Big 12? Wow, that’s a fire able offense. Sounds like half share for the length of the current media rights deal which would put us well behind the other conference members financially. Yet Oregon and Washington elected for the same half share financial disadvantage with the Big10. And before people start saying, yeah but it's the B10 vs the B12, the situation is relative. Wouldn't the B12 at a half share still be better than the MWC? |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 10, 2024 12:13:05 GMT -8
I think people forget that we were on to make close to $25-30M a year w/ the Pac12. No one predicted them to implode. So yes, $15M as a half share and no increase with new tv deal stunk in comparison. Of course hindsight is 20/20 had we known the P12 would die. And at that point, the closest schools were in Texas. 4 corners were still just a dream for the big 12. Travel was a major deterrent to the initial discussion for big 12/SDSU if I remember right. My best guess is we were just a backup contingency if the PAC stayed intact. Instead a 100 year old conference blows up and we’re still in the MW. We could have gone earlier but at a half share for the next 6 years. The B12 hoped that getting us would attract Utah, ASU and Zona. My personal opinion is that you don't join a conference where you financially will not be able to compete with the other members. Utah didn't get terms like that when the joined the PAC. |
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