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Post by hoobs on Aug 14, 2023 19:46:57 GMT -8
I can see the Big-XX (ESPN) offering SDSU & UConn ~$15m each for three years, then ~$23m each (per year) for the rest of the contract I like this idea, but why?? Just a mix of logic & intuition. It would 100% lock down the Big-"12" as the #1 hoops conference in the country, solidifying an identity that gives the conference a relevance in a way that the B1G & SEC can't really complete with or dispute. Think of the press conference... "we conclude our expansion with the two programs that a few months ago played each other in the championship game of the NCAA Tournament". That's a mic drop moment. ESPN has always loved the home-state school, UConn. And SDSU's fit for the 'Big12-Mexico' initiative is golden. So, to me at least, the logic is impeccable. But we'll see if the actual decision makers see it in a sufficiently similar fashion... |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 14, 2023 19:47:36 GMT -8
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Post by Cwag on Aug 14, 2023 19:55:28 GMT -8
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Post by socalaztecfan on Aug 14, 2023 20:38:35 GMT -8
I like this idea, but why?? Just a mix of logic & intuition. It would 100% lock down the Big-"12" as the #1 hoops conference in the country, solidifying an identity that gives the conference a relevance in a way that the B1G & SEC can't really complete with or dispute. Think of the press conference... "we conclude our expansion with the two programs that a few months ago played each other in the championship game of the NCAA Tournament". That's a mic drop moment. ESPN has always loved the home-state school, UConn. And SDSU's fit for the 'Big12-Mexico' initiative is golden. So, to me at least, the logic is impeccable. But we'll see if the actual decision makers see it in a sufficiently similar fashion... I don’t like this at all. Reduced rate for one or two years then full share. |
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 14, 2023 23:23:04 GMT -8
Well and also, are ESPN/FOX a party in the litigation as well for colluding to underbid on the PAC media deal? ESPN's offer of 30M is below market value when U$C/UCLA were a part of the conference. Everyone wants to $#!+ on the PAC for coming back to the networks with $50M, but the ESPN offer was under market value... The PAC has a shitload of money in it's coffers to fire away at a lawsuit. $30M was apparently the fair market value without the LA schools. It's what ESPN offered, it's what Bob Thompson said they were worth, etc. It was not undermarket as the $30M was offered after LA left and they were down to 10. They should have come back with $40M and ESPN would have probably stayed at the table and then they could have negotiated to somewhere around $35M, the PAC would have stayed together, added SDSU and SMU and we'd be in a legit P5 conference. Dumba** PAC leaders... You mean it might have been close to the fair market value without USC and UCLA. Fair Market Value implies that there is a lack of marketplace collusion/price fixing by the networks - that their exists a competitive marketplace. There was a conscious decision among the networks (regardless of if it was officially coordinated by the networks or not) to underbid the PAC (or not bid at all). The media contracts with the other conferences created incentives for the networks to underbid the PAC in order to create a fissure so that they could each pick up a few of the better PAC school at a discount through conference realignment. Just because ESPN offered this, and Bob Thompson said that's what they are worth, does not make it so. They are quite clearly biased by their network affiliation and are not making an unbiased valuation. |
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Post by myownwords on Aug 15, 2023 5:06:37 GMT -8
Yes, the PAC, as in PACHYDERM: Bloated, lumbering, nose into everything UNimportant; taking over a year to do what could have been completed in 3 months---AND totally unaware of how utterly stupid and insipid they look. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 15, 2023 6:55:48 GMT -8
Just a mix of logic & intuition. It would 100% lock down the Big-"12" as the #1 hoops conference in the country, solidifying an identity that gives the conference a relevance in a way that the B1G & SEC can't really complete with or dispute. Think of the press conference... "we conclude our expansion with the two programs that a few months ago played each other in the championship game of the NCAA Tournament". That's a mic drop moment. ESPN has always loved the home-state school, UConn. And SDSU's fit for the 'Big12-Mexico' initiative is golden. So, to me at least, the logic is impeccable. But we'll see if the actual decision makers see it in a sufficiently similar fashion... I don’t like this at all. Reduced rate for one or two years then full share. Unfortunately, our bargaining position isn't as strong as it was a month ago. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 15, 2023 7:09:05 GMT -8
I don’t like this at all. Reduced rate for one or two years then full share. Unfortunately, our bargaining position isn't as strong as it was a month ago. Yup... a moderately reducted portion for generally as long as needed would be totally welcome and we would jump at it |
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Post by jp92grad on Aug 15, 2023 7:42:12 GMT -8
Yes, the PAC, as in PACHYDERM: Bloated, lumbering, nose into everything UNimportant; taking over a year to do what could have been completed in 3 months---AND totally unaware of how utterly stupid and insipid they look. The PAC is no longer the PAC of yesteryear and the sooner they realize that the sooner they maybe able to salvage and build something NEW. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 15, 2023 11:58:35 GMT -8
Just a mix of logic & intuition. It would 100% lock down the Big-"12" as the #1 hoops conference in the country, solidifying an identity that gives the conference a relevance in a way that the B1G & SEC can't really complete with or dispute. Think of the press conference... "we conclude our expansion with the two programs that a few months ago played each other in the championship game of the NCAA Tournament". That's a mic drop moment. ESPN has always loved the home-state school, UConn. And SDSU's fit for the 'Big12-Mexico' initiative is golden. So, to me at least, the logic is impeccable. But we'll see if the actual decision makers see it in a sufficiently similar fashion... I don’t like this at all. Reduced rate for one or two years then full share. Fox isn't paying. If we are offered ESPN's 20m a year for the duration of the contract, we would be fools not to take it. Oregon/ Washington saw the light and took less from Fox for the B1G. It's P4 now or G status forever. |
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Post by myownwords on Aug 15, 2023 12:31:50 GMT -8
I don’t like this at all. Reduced rate for one or two years then full share. Fox isn't paying. If we are offered ESPN's 20m a year for the duration of the contract, we would be fools not to take it. Oregon/ Washington saw the light and took less from Fox for the B1G. It's P4 now or G status forever. Please, do NOT make me conjure up the vision of us in the MWC "forever". So depressing. |
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