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Post by MontezumaPhil on Aug 14, 2023 15:11:54 GMT -8
The BIG12 is a strategic move. It would keep UConn out of any ACC expansion and SDSU out of any PAC 4 conference creations. I still think the BIG12 is playing us. Obviously, we would take the invitation but I think its a bluff. I don't think the B12 has any more concerns about the PAC. Now, if ESPN really wants a California team then we will get added, but at less than $20M initially. ESPN isn't the only constituency that would be in favor of adding us. The Big XII has four new additions who were accustomed to playing football in California every year, and recruited heavily off it. Those games are now gone. In addition to BYU, which always loves every chance to play in San Diego, the Four Corners can be expected to advocate getting back into California sooner than later. So we have some allies. |
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 14, 2023 15:35:53 GMT -8
Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU are all still trying to find a landing spot in a power conference. I am shocked they heven't been able to pull it off yet. But, I think we are set to see another episode of Lucy, Charlie, and a football. These Four will lay the groundwork for a cobbled together best of the rest conference and at the last moment the ACC will find the voles for CAL and Standford. The problem is that the last team or teams standing in the PAC control almost half a billion $$$ Yeah, the PAC BOTR conference will happen - with or without Stanford and CAL. There's too much money in the PAC coffers for it to fall apart... |
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 14, 2023 15:38:58 GMT -8
In a sane and just universe this would be a reasonable course of action. Maybe in a parallel universe this will happen, I just don't see it happening in the current quagmire that is college football 2023... Neuheisel should stick to his football pool betting. Sure, you could sue the B12/B10/CFP for collusion. It would only take about $50m in legal fees and about 5 to 10 years to get a result. Well and also, are ESPN/FOX a party in the litigation as well for colluding to underbid on the PAC media deal? ESPN's offer of 30M is below market value when U$C/UCLA were a part of the conference. Everyone wants to $#!+ on the PAC for coming back to the networks with $50M, but the ESPN offer was under market value... The PAC has a shitload of money in it's coffers to fire away at a lawsuit. |
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Post by Gundo on Aug 14, 2023 15:45:07 GMT -8
Neuheisel should stick to his football pool betting. Sure, you could sue the B12/B10/CFP for collusion. It would only take about $50m in legal fees and about 5 to 10 years to get a result. Well and also, are ESPN/FOX a party in the litigation as well for colluding to underbid on the PAC media deal? ESPN's offer of 30M is below market value when U$C/UCLA was a part of the conference. Everyone wants to $#!+ on the PAC for coming back to the networks with $50M, but the ESPN offer was under market value... The PAC has a shitload of money in its coffers to fire away at a lawsuit. The Pac-12, is like the story of Icarus who fell from the sky, plunged into the sea, and drowned. The myth gave rise to the idiom, "Fly too close to the sun." Hubris killed Icarus and the Pac-12. How does the Pac-12 Conference have the top 5 of the Top 10 schools in the FBS in 2023, and disbands in 2024? |
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Post by 94sdsu on Aug 14, 2023 15:50:39 GMT -8
Neuheisel should stick to his football pool betting. Sure, you could sue the B12/B10/CFP for collusion. It would only take about $50m in legal fees and about 5 to 10 years to get a result. Well and also, are ESPN/FOX a party in the litigation as well for colluding to underbid on the PAC media deal? ESPN's offer of 30M is below market value when U$C/UCLA were a part of the conference. Everyone wants to $#!+ on the PAC for coming back to the networks with $50M, but the ESPN offer was under market value... The PAC has a shitload of money in it's coffers to fire away at a lawsuit. $30M was apparently the fair market value without the LA schools. It's what ESPN offered, it's what Bob Thompson said they were worth, etc. It was not undermarket as the $30M was offered after LA left and they were down to 10. They should have come back with $40M and ESPN would have probably stayed at the table and then they could have negotiated to somewhere around $35M, the PAC would have stayed together, added SDSU and SMU and we'd be in a legit P5 conference. Dumba** PAC leaders... |
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Post by smoothcat on Aug 14, 2023 16:13:15 GMT -8
Getting Oliver Luck involved was a good move by the Pac Remnants.
It may be the horse has already left the barn, but he is highly respected and has a lot of connections.
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 14, 2023 16:19:04 GMT -8
Well and also, are ESPN/FOX a party in the litigation as well for colluding to underbid on the PAC media deal? ESPN's offer of 30M is below market value when U$C/UCLA were a part of the conference. Everyone wants to $#!+ on the PAC for coming back to the networks with $50M, but the ESPN offer was under market value... The PAC has a shitload of money in it's coffers to fire away at a lawsuit. $30M was apparently the fair market value without the LA schools. It's what ESPN offered, it's what Bob Thompson said they were worth, etc. It was not undermarket as the $30M was offered after LA left and they were down to 10. They should have come back with $40M and ESPN would have probably stayed at the table and then they could have negotiated to somewhere around $35M, the PAC would have stayed together, added SDSU and SMU and we'd be in a legit P5 conference. Dumba** PAC leaders... Thompson also said SDSU pens out, under the PAC-10 schools umbrella, at around Q4 2022 or Q1 2023, by itself, at about $23m/year. So depress that # by 16% (Apple final offer was $25m/year/school, so 16% lower than $30m), SDSU's media valuation is about $20m/year. I do wonder, if the ESPN/Fox money is still there, and B12 expands west once more, would SDSU jump if they made $10m/year for first 3 years? |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 14, 2023 17:38:53 GMT -8
I can see the Big-XX (ESPN) offering SDSU & UConn ~$15m each for three years, then ~$23m each (per year) for the rest of the contract
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Aug 14, 2023 17:52:27 GMT -8
I can see the Big-XX (ESPN) offering SDSU & UConn ~$15m each for three years, then ~$23m each (per year) for the rest of the contract I like this idea, but why?? |
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Post by sdsuballer on Aug 14, 2023 18:00:01 GMT -8
I can see the Big-XX (ESPN) offering SDSU & UConn ~$15m each for three years, then ~$23m each (per year) for the rest of the contract If they offer this we would be gone within a micro minute and figure out the exit fee later. This round of expansion might be our best opportunity. 34 million in 10 years from know when the next round of expansion comes along will be nothing. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 14, 2023 18:37:21 GMT -8
I can see the Big-XX (ESPN) offering SDSU & UConn ~$15m each for three years, then ~$23m each (per year) for the rest of the contract If they offer this we would be gone within a micro minute and figure out the exit fee later. This round of expansion might be our best opportunity. 34 million in 10 years from know when the next round of expansion comes along will be nothing. I suspect that the next round of realignment will include a CONTRACTION, not expansion. The dead weight will be gone. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 14, 2023 18:48:08 GMT -8
Well and also, are ESPN/FOX a party in the litigation as well for colluding to underbid on the PAC media deal? ESPN's offer of 30M is below market value when U$C/UCLA were a part of the conference. Everyone wants to $#!+ on the PAC for coming back to the networks with $50M, but the ESPN offer was under market value... The PAC has a shitload of money in it's coffers to fire away at a lawsuit. $30M was apparently the fair market value without the LA schools. It's what ESPN offered, it's what Bob Thompson said they were worth, etc. It was not undermarket as the $30M was offered after LA left and they were down to 10. They should have come back with $40M and ESPN would have probably stayed at the table and then they could have negotiated to somewhere around $35M, the PAC would have stayed together, added SDSU and SMU and we'd be in a legit P5 conference. Dumba** PAC leaders... I read something that Scheer said the second offer was at $41M. Not sure if he has a source so it may be that the PAC asked for $50M if they could bring UCLA back. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 14, 2023 18:51:47 GMT -8
If they offer this we would be gone within a micro minute and figure out the exit fee later. This round of expansion might be our best opportunity. 34 million in 10 years from know when the next round of expansion comes along will be nothing. I suspect that the next round of realignment will include a CONTRACTION, not expansion. The dead weight will be gone. You are right. I don't think the ACC GOR lasts past this decade. At that point 30-32 teams will break away and form their own league. They'll call it a conference to try to maintain the illusion that this would still be "collegiate" sports. Fox will have buried ESPN by then so would be the favorite to get the new P1 media contract. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 14, 2023 18:58:50 GMT -8
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 14, 2023 19:01:56 GMT -8
The PAC is f****dd proper. WSU is forming an advisory committee with a hodgepodge of people. Crazy.
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Post by Den60 on Aug 14, 2023 19:13:41 GMT -8
Oh great, a committee. Committees are formed in order to share the blame. |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 14, 2023 19:22:23 GMT -8
Oh great, a committee. Committees are formed in order to share the blame. Oh good is it a blue ribbon committee because they are always the best. |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Aug 14, 2023 19:33:15 GMT -8
Oh great, a committee. Committees are formed in order to share the blame. Oh good is it a blue ribbon committee because they are always the best. Not every blue ribbon committee has the "Throwin' Samoan" on it though... |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 14, 2023 19:37:16 GMT -8
Oh good is it a blue ribbon committee because they are always the best. Not every blue ribbon committee has the "Throwin' Samoan" on it though... Maybe they’ll join the CFL? |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 14, 2023 19:42:42 GMT -8
Here I thought it was a boondoggle but clearly it’s no when
You have Bruce Pinkleton – Dean, Murrow College of Communication.
The Dean of the College of communication. It’s serious.
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