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Post by kushandfishersweets on Aug 6, 2023 8:09:38 GMT -8
Mountain West brings in the 4 remaining pac 12 teams but we have to cut some dead weight teams already in the league. These are the teams I relegate. What do you guys think?
San Jose State CUT
Nevada CUT
Hawaii CUT
Wyoming CUT
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 6, 2023 8:10:38 GMT -8
I cut New Mexico if we're cutting teams.
OUT
New Mexico
Hawaii
Maybe Out
Wyoming
San Jose State
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Post by hoobs on Aug 6, 2023 8:23:34 GMT -8
We don't want the MW to absorb the PAC, we want the PAC to take a certain number of MW schools. Might have to be 9 so those schools can dissolve the conference / leave without any exit fees.
Stanford
Cal
WSU
OSU
plus
SDSU
UNLV
Fresno
SJSU
Nevada
Boise
Colorado State
New Mexico
and...
Hawaii + Gonzaga
SMU
Left behind: AFA, Wyoming, Utah State
If departing schools could get out of the MW (starting July/Aug 2024) without significant penalty... then yeah, I'd leave behind more of the MW schools. But paying $15-20m to depart the conference is too much for most/many of those schools, incl. ones we want to include in the move over to the subPAC.
Cal or Stanford + SDSU to the Big12 would be strogly preferred, however. If neither of them wanted to do it... the UNLV & SDSU.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 6, 2023 8:26:13 GMT -8
There's no way that Stanford and Cal want SJSU in their conference competing for viewers/recruits in the same area.
New Mexico is a perennial drag on the conference in football, as is Hawaii.
AFA is strong and brings respectability, so you can't leave them out.
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Post by hoobs on Aug 6, 2023 8:29:53 GMT -8
There's no way that Stanford and Cal want SJSU in their conference competing for viewers/recruits in the same area. New Mexico is a perennial drag on the conference in football, as is Hawaii. AFA is strong and brings respectability, so you can't leave them out. If the MW "leavers" need 9 votes to get out of the exit fees... you can add AFA but still have to include 2 of 3 between those - SJSU, NM, Hawaii. So pick 1 to drop, but you have to keep the other 2. Or... figure out a way for 5-6 schools to exit without having to pay $15-20m to depart in 11 months. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 6, 2023 8:41:58 GMT -8
There's no way that Stanford and Cal want SJSU in their conference competing for viewers/recruits in the same area. New Mexico is a perennial drag on the conference in football, as is Hawaii. AFA is strong and brings respectability, so you can't leave them out. If the MW "leavers" need 9 votes to get out of the exit fees... you can add AFA but still have to include 2 of 3 between those - SJSU, NM, Hawaii. So pick 1 to drop, but you have to keep the other 2. Or... figure out a way for 5-6 schools to exit without having to pay $15-20m to depart in 11 months. Change the conference rules? How many schools need to approve that? A simple majority? I don't know. But Hawaii is a huge drag on the conference, as is New Mexico. They aren't worth the travel costs and time. Wyoming has a good athletic history, but with one of the worst trips to get to an opponent in all of FBS it is hard to justify keeping them. Hard decisions have to be made. I'm not in the middle of it, I don't know all the rules and details, but there has to be a way to get this done. Status quo WON'T work. |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 6, 2023 8:54:10 GMT -8
I cut New Mexico if we're cutting teams. OUT New Mexico Hawaii Maybe Out Wyoming San Jose State All of those schools out pluse Utah State and maybe Nevada |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 6, 2023 9:06:56 GMT -8
PAC West Conference
Washington State
Oregon State
Cal
Stanford
SDSU
Fresno
UNLV
Boise
Air Force
Colorado State
Hawaii/Gonzaga ( or Tulane if Gonzaga won’t join )
SMU
That’s a nice tight strong 12 team conference.
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Post by soccer94 on Aug 6, 2023 9:11:11 GMT -8
Consider that the Pac 4 have what was described as a potential $420 million war chest to help mitigate damage linked to the exit of the other schools. They can't just use it for whatever, has to be to mitigate damage. I feel like using it to supplement exit fees to top expansion targets would likely qualify. So they may be able to add only the schools they want that they feel create a high value league without those schools being handcuffed by the exit fees. I have been going back and forth a lot on who I would add if I were them, but at this moment, I lean towards:
Standford
Cal
OSU
WSU
Plus in the following order
1. SDSU (Best possible addition)
2. Boise State (Strong football and basketball)
3. SMU (Great market, big money donors and alum)
4. UNLV (Great growing market, basketball history)
5/6. Air Force or Colorado State (Get back into Denver DMA, maybe one, maybe both)
6/7. Tulane (Big money, travel partner for SMU)
It all hinges on being able to get enough money from a tv contract to make it attractive to the schools, and to keep the appearance of a P5.
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Post by Xolotl on Aug 6, 2023 9:15:41 GMT -8
PAC West Conference Washington State Oregon State Cal Stanford SDSU Fresno UNLV Boise Air Force Colorado State Hawaii/Gonzaga SMU That’s a nice tight strong 12 team conference. that actually looks good, but I still think Stanford want no part of SDSU. Cal on the other hand has very little wiggle room, looks like B10 doesn't want them and Pac-4 doesn't know what to do with them. But Stanford may go independent. The merger Witten about seem like the only way to go |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 6, 2023 9:36:19 GMT -8
This is about survival. No more Mr. Nice Guy. Some schools need to be dropped. We need a conference that is the best it can be. I know it sucks but that’s the game now. Too much is at stake.
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Post by Xolotl on Aug 6, 2023 9:38:23 GMT -8
Phew, I'm sure glad that Adela de la Torre jumped the gun on the PAC plan. We ended up saving $17M - 9,6000. Oddly enough MWC is now at the helm. The PAC-4, better come up with a survival plan soon, drop their smug snobbery and jump in the panga before the curtain falls and they dissolve all together and form 4 independent teams.
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Post by Cwag on Aug 6, 2023 9:40:53 GMT -8
If the four remaining Pac 12 teams are putting any faith in Kliavkoff then they are beyond help and beyond hope.
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Post by kushandfishersweets on Aug 6, 2023 9:44:49 GMT -8
PAC West Conference Washington State Oregon State Cal Stanford SDSU Fresno UNLV Boise Air Force Colorado State Hawaii/Gonzaga ( or Tulane if Gonzaga won’t join ) SMU That’s a nice tight strong 12 team conference. Replacing Hawaii with Gonzaga would be solid. We don't need a 16-20 team conference. 12 is perfect. |
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Post by Xolotl on Aug 6, 2023 9:46:13 GMT -8
does anyone know what the exit costs for the Zags would be, if they bolted. Or SMU's exit fee. those figures play in the game too. If there is a merger will Boise loose it Extra bonus agreement, or does the Mountain-Packer league leave them out if they insist on maintaining that agreement.
Boy is this realignment a Cluster-F
fun to speculate though, ha
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Post by Cwag on Aug 6, 2023 9:46:52 GMT -8
I think you take the best eight schools that you can that will have the greatest amount of athletic success over the next couple of years and then add from there. Why would anyone want to join the Pac 12 right now? With the leader ship they have displayed in destroying a 108 year old conference it’s hard for me to believe that anybody in their right mind would actually want to hitch their wagon to this team of horses, it’s like buying a ticket and boarding the titanic after it hit the iceberg
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Post by fisherville on Aug 6, 2023 9:48:53 GMT -8
How i see it:
For sure in (if they want in)
Cal
Stanford
Washington State
Oregon State
SMU
SDSU
Boise
UNLV
Fresno
Nevada
Colorado State
Probably:
AFA
In question:
Hawaii
Utah State
USU
New Mexico
Hell no:
Wyoming
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Post by Xolotl on Aug 6, 2023 9:49:36 GMT -8
Hawaii with football/ Zags for basketball. Right now we do not play Hawaii in basket ball, and Zags don't have a football team
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Post by Xolotl on Aug 6, 2023 9:57:47 GMT -8
How i see it: For sure in (if they want in) Cal Stanford Washington State Oregon State SMU SDSU Boise UNLV Fresno Nevada Colorado State Probably: AFA In question: Hawaii Utah State USU New Mexico Hell no: Wyoming I would include AFA, not that I like the altitude but it's a good TV draw, all the military academys fair that way. I think to be realistic 12 teams will be needed. |
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Post by aztecfred on Aug 6, 2023 10:11:12 GMT -8
Not sure why people over look UTSA if we/they/whomever are looking at SMU? Texas, 34k students, R1...they are us! Bring way more than UH, U St, UNR, maybe more than UNM? AF brings academics n football but, little else n could go indy or any number of conferences? CSU? Does it bring much or just another filler?
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