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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Aug 14, 2023 7:55:27 GMT -8
Rick Neunheisel made a great point this morning. He suggested the Pac4 should merge and acquire the entire MWC and maintain the brand Pac12. He suggest the Pac12 would keep the CFP qualifier, negotiate a media deal more than what each MWC school currently is getting and if 9 MWC schools agreed the exit fees would go away immediately and they could start play in 2024. He also suggested if the CFP council eliminated the Pac12 qualifier the Pac12 would have a great lawsuit for Collusion against the B12, B10 and CFP. The argument is the B10 and B12 effectively colluded against the Pac12 by providing financial incentives to dissolve the Pac12 and eliminate their CFP qualification. |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Aug 14, 2023 7:56:31 GMT -8
Rick Neunheisel made a great point this morning. He suggested the Pac4 should merge and acquire the entire MWC and maintain the brand Pac12. He suggest the Pac12 would keep the CFP qualifier, negotiate a media deal more than what each MWC school currently is getting and if 9 MWC schools agreed the exit fees would go away immediately and they could start play in 2024. He also suggested if the CFP council eliminated the Pac12 qualifier the Pac12 would have a great lawsuit for Collusion against the B12, B10 and CFP. The argument is the B10 and B12 effectively colluded against the Pac12 by providing financial incentives to dissolve the Pac12 and eliminate their CFP qualification. Where did you hear this? I'd like to give the interview a listen. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Aug 14, 2023 8:03:18 GMT -8
Rick Neunheisel made a great point this morning. He suggested the Pac4 should merge and acquire the entire MWC and maintain the brand Pac12. He suggest the Pac12 would keep the CFP qualifier, negotiate a media deal more than what each MWC school currently is getting and if 9 MWC schools agreed the exit fees would go away immediately and they could start play in 2024. He also suggested if the CFP council eliminated the Pac12 qualifier the Pac12 would have a great lawsuit for Collusion against the B12, B10 and CFP. The argument is the B10 and B12 effectively colluded against the Pac12 by providing financial incentives to dissolve the Pac12 and eliminate their CFP qualification. In a sane and just universe this would be a reasonable course of action. Maybe in a parallel universe this will happen, I just don't see it happening in the current quagmire that is college football 2023... Neuheisel should stick to his football pool betting. Sure, you could sue the B12/B10/CFP for collusion. It would only take about $50m in legal fees and about 5 to 10 years to get a result. |
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Post by aztecalum on Aug 14, 2023 9:54:49 GMT -8
Rick Neunheisel made a great point this morning. He suggested the Pac4 should merge and acquire the entire MWC and maintain the brand Pac12. He suggest the Pac12 would keep the CFP qualifier, negotiate a media deal more than what each MWC school currently is getting and if 9 MWC schools agreed the exit fees would go away immediately and they could start play in 2024. He also suggested if the CFP council eliminated the Pac12 qualifier the Pac12 would have a great lawsuit for Collusion against the B12, B10 and CFP. The argument is the B10 and B12 effectively colluded against the Pac12 by providing financial incentives to dissolve the Pac12 and eliminate their CFP qualification. Where did you hear this? I'd like to give the interview a listen. He's on XM Radio College Sports channel 84 each morning at 9am EST. I believe the show is repeated at 9pm PST. www.siriusxm.com/channels/siriusxm-college-sports-radio |
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Post by aztecalum on Aug 14, 2023 9:59:14 GMT -8
In a sane and just universe this would be a reasonable course of action. Maybe in a parallel universe this will happen, I just don't see it happening in the current quagmire that is college football 2023... Neuheisel should stick to his football pool betting. Sure, you could sue the B12/B10/CFP for collusion. It would only take about $50m in legal fees and about 5 to 10 years to get a result. the damages of taking down a 108 year old conference, billions of dollars of future loss revenue, the political support from legislatures in Oregon, Washington and California - the CFP would change mind about changing the qualifying criteria with the mere mention of a collusion law suit. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 14, 2023 10:10:03 GMT -8
In a sane and just universe this would be a reasonable course of action. Maybe in a parallel universe this will happen, I just don't see it happening in the current quagmire that is college football 2023... Neuheisel should stick to his football pool betting. Sure, you could sue the B12/B10/CFP for collusion. It would only take about $50m in legal fees and about 5 to 10 years to get a result. I really don't think that FOX, ESPN or the other networks want the lights turned on which would happen if there is a lawsuit. I believe one source of the leaks to the press about the PAC's media deal might have something to do with a school sponsored by a shoe company. I believe that university actively sabotaged the deal so they could go to a conference with USC. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 14, 2023 10:12:33 GMT -8
Agree, except for the "sortof" part. As long as Kliavkoff is lurking only bad things will happen. Too be honest, it was the PAC presidents that turned down the $30M ESPN offer and demanded Klavikoff counter with $50M. Now, perhaps that counter included UCLA which might have a bit a reason to it, but for the rest it was just a poisoned pill. Counter with $37M and may end up with $33M. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 14, 2023 10:14:01 GMT -8
If this was to happen, does that mean B12 will invite SDSU and UCONN? The BIG12 is a strategic move. It would keep UConn out of any ACC expansion and SDSU out of any PAC 4 conference creations. I still think the BIG12 is playing us. Obviously, we would take the invitation but I think its a bluff. I don't think the B12 has any more concerns about the PAC. Now, if ESPN really wants a California team then we will get added, but at less than $20M initially. |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Aug 14, 2023 10:34:01 GMT -8
The UC Regents were very close to blocking UCLA's move to the Big 10, expressing concerns with the impact to Cal. As I understand, it was allowed but UCLA would need to subsidize Cal "after" the Pac-12 media deal was finalized. I don't think the Regents ever though the Pac-12 would completely blowup, with the USC/UCLA move triggering the downfall. I can't help but wonder if a hefty "Berkeley tax" to UCLA may make them regret the decision? Or will the Regents take any other action? Thoughts?
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Aug 14, 2023 11:28:10 GMT -8
In a sane and just universe this would be a reasonable course of action. Maybe in a parallel universe this will happen, I just don't see it happening in the current quagmire that is college football 2023... Neuheisel should stick to his football pool betting. Sure, you could sue the B12/B10/CFP for collusion. It would only take about $50m in legal fees and about 5 to 10 years to get a result. |
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Aug 14, 2023 11:30:02 GMT -8
It seemed that the whole NIL lawsuit started by Ed O’Bannon was a David vs. Goliath lawsuit as well but look how that turned out.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Aug 14, 2023 11:43:03 GMT -8
It appears the Pac-4 will never merge with the MW. The only way we play any of those teams in the same conference will be if Stanford and Cal stumble on a better offer and leave OSU and WSU behind with no option but join the MW.
The MW is never going to cut teams and Cal and Stanford absolutely want nothing to do with some of the teams in our conference. We will never get 9 votes to break up the conference or allow teams out since there are less than 9 teams they’d want. Our conference teams can’t leave and join their conference because it would be a year late and the media deal won’t be enough to easily pay off $17M.
We need to be hoping that the Big 12 decides to expand after the football season and add us and UConn. Put us in a western pod with BYU, Utah, Colorado, ASU and UA which is by far the best place we could end up. We can play Cal, OSU and WSU probably any year we want because they’d want a game in Southern California.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 14, 2023 11:51:50 GMT -8
It appears the Pac-4 will never merge with the MW. The only way we play any of those teams in the same conference will be if Stanford and Cal stumble on a better offer and leave OSU and WSU behind with no option but join the MW. The MW is never going to cut teams and Cal and Stanford absolutely want nothing to do with some of the teams in our conference. We will never get 9 votes to break up the conference or allow teams out since there are less than 9 teams they’d want. Our conference teams can’t leave and join their conference because it would be a year late and the media deal won’t be enough to easily pay off $17M. We need to be hoping that the Big 12 decides to expand after the football season and add us and UConn. Put us in a western pod with BYU, Utah, Colorado, ASU and UA which is by far the best place we could end up. We can play Cal, OSU and WSU probably any year we want because they’d want a game in Southern California. Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU are all still trying to find a landing spot in a power conference. I am shocked they heven't been able to pull it off yet. But, I think we are set to see another episode of Lucy, Charlie, and a football. These Four will lay the groundwork for a cobbled together best of the rest conference and at the last moment the ACC will find the voles for CAL and Standford. |
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Post by aztecfred on Aug 14, 2023 11:53:31 GMT -8
It appears the Pac-4 will never merge with the MW. The only way we play any of those teams in the same conference will be if Stanford and Cal stumble on a better offer and leave OSU and WSU behind with no option but join the MW. The MW is never going to cut teams and Cal and Stanford absolutely want nothing to do with some of the teams in our conference. We will never get 9 votes to break up the conference or allow teams out since there are less than 9 teams they’d want. Our conference teams can’t leave and join their conference because it would be a year late and the media deal won’t be enough to easily pay off $17M. We need to be hoping that the Big 12 decides to expand after the football season and add us and UConn. Put us in a western pod with BYU, Utah, Colorado, ASU and UA which is by far the best place we could end up. We can play Cal, OSU and WSU probably any year we want because they’d want a game in Southern California. $$$ talks n BS walks! |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 14, 2023 11:56:49 GMT -8
The UC Regents were very close to blocking UCLA's move to the Big 10, expressing concerns with the impact to Cal. As I understand, it was allowed but UCLA would need to subsidize Cal "after" the Pac-12 media deal was finalized. I don't think the Regents ever though the Pac-12 would completely blowup, with the USC/UCLA move triggering the downfall. I can't help but wonder if a hefty "Berkeley tax" to UCLA may make them regret the decision? Or will the Regents take any other action? Thoughts? I have said that UCLA is most definitely a loser with the breakup of the PAC. They are figuring some $10M/year initially to mitigate travel issues and they will likely now be paying Cal at least $10M in Calimony. That puts them at a distinct disadvantage in the B1G. They already get tepid support in football, and LA won't support losing. Their FB and BB programs will take a hit. I don't see Cronin sticking around when he gets another offer from a B1G team. Had the B1G taken USC and Oregon then the PAC would have stuck together and got around $40M per team per year. However, USC didn't want Oregon to come with them so FOX decided locking ESPN out of the LA market was the next best thing. I really think UCLA is getting screwed over by USC and Washington is getting screwed over by Oregon. I really thought that UCLA would be a candidate to return to the PAC in 2030 but they no longer have anything to come back to. I am sure they are on their knees begging the B1G to take Cal right now. That only happens if UCLA decides to give Cal $30M/year off their cut. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 14, 2023 12:00:25 GMT -8
It appears the Pac-4 will never merge with the MW. The only way we play any of those teams in the same conference will be if Stanford and Cal stumble on a better offer and leave OSU and WSU behind with no option but join the MW. The MW is never going to cut teams and Cal and Stanford absolutely want nothing to do with some of the teams in our conference. We will never get 9 votes to break up the conference or allow teams out since there are less than 9 teams they’d want. Our conference teams can’t leave and join their conference because it would be a year late and the media deal won’t be enough to easily pay off $17M. We need to be hoping that the Big 12 decides to expand after the football season and add us and UConn. Put us in a western pod with BYU, Utah, Colorado, ASU and UA which is by far the best place we could end up. We can play Cal, OSU and WSU probably any year we want because they’d want a game in Southern California. We won't be paying $17M to leave the PAC. The AAC schools paid just 18 (much over a dozen years) to leave a conference where the media payout is 40% high than what we get in the MWC. I will be surprised if our payment is in double digits. You can't just throw a number out there without some justification. The AAC set a precedent, and the schools that left are getting 3 times what SDSU might get. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 14, 2023 12:13:54 GMT -8
It appears the Pac-4 will never merge with the MW. The only way we play any of those teams in the same conference will be if Stanford and Cal stumble on a better offer and leave OSU and WSU behind with no option but join the MW. The MW is never going to cut teams and Cal and Stanford absolutely want nothing to do with some of the teams in our conference. We will never get 9 votes to break up the conference or allow teams out since there are less than 9 teams they’d want. Our conference teams can’t leave and join their conference because it would be a year late and the media deal won’t be enough to easily pay off $17M. We need to be hoping that the Big 12 decides to expand after the football season and add us and UConn. Put us in a western pod with BYU, Utah, Colorado, ASU and UA which is by far the best place we could end up. We can play Cal, OSU and WSU probably any year we want because they’d want a game in Southern California. Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU are all still trying to find a landing spot in a power conference. I am shocked they heven't been able to pull it off yet. But, I think we are set to see another episode of Lucy, Charlie, and a football. These Four will lay the groundwork for a cobbled together best of the rest conference and at the last moment the ACC will find the voles for CAL and Standford. The problem is that the last team or teams standing in the PAC control almost half a billion $$$ |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 14, 2023 12:16:38 GMT -8
If the P4 offer an invite and there is not a decent offer from the B12 then accept it fast and hope that Calford and WOSU all leave… take the ~$500m and let the MWC try and get their fees… build a BOR and look toward the next expansion… still lots going on here as this round isn’t finished…
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Post by standiego on Aug 14, 2023 13:51:08 GMT -8
The PAC 4 have to give Mr Luck the Power to get things done without the in fighting
Quit dropping names of possible schools they might want and even worse ones they do not want
Let him talk to the TV / Media groups and see what is important for him to get some type of decent deal
All concerned need to agree that they will abide by the solutions he might get and not destroy the option in the press try to have a rational meeting IF they actually want to try to save the PAC
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Post by jdaztec on Aug 14, 2023 14:27:25 GMT -8
I would like to see them addd the former Fox exec Thompson as an advisor
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