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Post by chris92065 on Sept 23, 2021 16:55:12 GMT -8
Nobody should be surprised by this. There goes the grand alliance. |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Sept 23, 2021 18:24:15 GMT -8
Same guy who says we are going to the Big-12?
He says lot. Maybe he works on the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" principle...
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Sept 23, 2021 20:05:56 GMT -8
If the Pac loses those 4 it'll become a battle between the Pac and Big12 trying to poach each other.
Big12 probably wants Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools.
Pac probably wants Kansas, 2 Texas schools and maybe OK St. or BYU but the Pac would also need to refill California schools to prevent further poaching.
If neither conference poaches then I think prime Pac adds are SDSU, Fresno St. (they need to replenish California losses) and maybe the 2 Nevada schools or CSU?
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Post by McQuervo on Sept 24, 2021 4:45:54 GMT -8
Why don't we just focus on growing the MGC? PacWhen might have the TV $ NOW yet its obvious that conference is in a tailspin. "Big" 12 I see nothing "Big" as a FB conference yet see above.
MWC is hitting strides no thanks to Hair.
We will get an invite soon enough.
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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 24, 2021 5:42:13 GMT -8
If those 4 schools really moved to the big ten, it’ll basically be the Big Ten and the SEC and then everybody else will be second fiddle. It won’t make a difference if we move “up” to the big 12 or pac 12 at that point
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 24, 2021 7:16:52 GMT -8
Great article and data for discussion. Unfortunately, much of the success of the programs listed is created by the fact their games are played on the big or bigger networks. If SDSU was played every Saturday on CBS at 12 p.m., what do you think its ratings would be? Significantly greater than they are now for certain, and not because Aztec football suddenly became more popular. I remember watching Notre Dame year after year, when they were horrible! I hated it, but had little else to choose from. If we were in the PAC16, our ratings would skyrocket. So, "whatever" on the stats. The trouble with articles about MW college football viewership is that our best teams and matchups are almost always on the CBS Sports Network, which few people actually get. As mentioned above, we're better on the CBS afternoon game, though our contest vs Nevada last year was far below the usual SEC game in that slot. Whoever picks SDSU up is going to have to project into the future what the interest in college football here would be with a new stadium and, potentially, a new conference. |
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 24, 2021 7:27:38 GMT -8
So let’s see, these four schools bolt for the B1G. Now, outside of Washington and Oregon who they have history with, their next closest opponent is Nebraska who they have no history with, and is 1500 miles away. The average distance between UCLA/USC and their conference opponents is well over 2000 miles, with some as much as 3000 miles and literally on the opposite coast. You’re playing most of your road games 2 or even 3 time zones away. The B1G is now an 18 member conference, so you have a western division with 2 California schools, Washington, Oregon,, Nebraska, probably Illinois and Northwestern, and then you have to pick two more out of the Midwest group (Purdue and Indiana?). It makes very little sense. What USC fans want to see Northwestern play in the Coliseum? Or Illinois? The distance is of little concern for football. It’s slightly more concern for hoops but can be managed. For women’s gymnastics though, it’s a much bigger issue. I just don’t see this making a lot of sense for anybody. If it does happen it’s pretty much a power grab. As someone already pointed out, it would be basically a 2-conference system at that point. If you’re not in the SEC or Big 10 you’re permanently locked out of the club. If this happens, the remains of the PAC 12 and Big 12 are officially “part of the rest” and it’s time to just reorganize into regional conferences that make geographic sense.
Never say never. I’m not going to be the one to say this won’t happen, but the sheer notion of a conference set up like that is just ludicrous.
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Post by Cwag on Sept 24, 2021 8:01:41 GMT -8
So let’s see, these four schools bolt for the B1G. Now, outside of the Washington schools who they have history with, their next closest opponent is Nebraska who they have no history with, and is 1500 miles away. The average distance between UCLA/USC and their conference opponents is well over 2000 miles, with some as much as 3000 miles and literally on the opposite coast. You’re playing most of your road games 2 or even 3 time zones away. The B1G is now an 18 member conference, so you have a western division with 2 California schools, 2 Washington schools, Nebraska, probably Illinois and Northwestern, and then you have to pick two more out of the Midwest group (Purdue and Indiana?). It makes very little sense. What USC fans want to see Northwestern play in the Coliseum? Or Illinois? The distance is of little concern for football. It’s slightly more concern for hoops but can be managed. For women’s gymnastics though, it’s a much bigger issue. I just don’t see this making a lot of sense for anybody. If it does happen it’s pretty much a power grab. As someone already pointed out, it would be basically a 2-conference system at that point. If you’re not in the SEC or Big 10 you’re permanently locked out of the club. If this happens, the remains of the PAC 12 and Big 12 are officially “part of the rest” and it’s time to just reorganize into regional conferences that make geographic sense. Never say never. I’m not going to be the one to say this won’t happen, but the sheer notion of a conference set up like that is just ludicrous. They have this new invention called "airplanes" that can get you from coast to coast in 5 hours. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Sept 24, 2021 8:03:38 GMT -8
I think if it did go to a 2 conference system where the SEC and B1G were the only two that mattered, college football would fall off a cliff. What makes college football so popular is that so many alumni are huge fans of their teams... so if all these other teams suddenly were left out and didn't matter, they'd be leaving behind a MASSIVE part of the overall college football fanbase.
Either that, or the SEC/B1G would not be as popular as people think it would be, and the massive group of college football fanbases would still follow their schools instead of the SEC/B1G and therefore it would still be relevant to be outside of the SEC/B1G
I already feel this way toward college football as a whole, as I've pretty much stopped watching anyone except SDSU/MWC because I just don't really care for any of the rest of it. I used to love college football back when SDSU had a theoretical chance to win it all or at least make it to the Holiday Bowl and it all wasn't as monetarily lopsided as it is now |
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Post by fowl on Sept 24, 2021 8:06:05 GMT -8
Great article and data for discussion. Unfortunately, much of the success of the programs listed is created by the fact their games are played on the big or bigger networks. If SDSU was played every Saturday on CBS at 12 p.m., what do you think its ratings would be? Significantly greater than they are now for certain, and not because Aztec football suddenly became more popular. I remember watching Notre Dame year after year, when they were horrible! I hated it, but had little else to choose from. If we were in the PAC16, our ratings would skyrocket. So, "whatever" on the stats. We know what our ratings would be. Last year we played Nevada at noon on CBS and the rating was a 0.6 with 859,000 viewers. That is horrendous. The Akron v Kent St game on ESPN later that day had better ratings. The Wisconsin v Northwestern game played at the same time on ABC had more than four times the viewers. Kansas St v Iowa St on at the same time on Fox had more than three times the viewers (funny how some on here think the Big 12 remnants don't get ratings). The Cincy v UCF game on at the same time on ESPN had 50% more viewers than our game. We need to get a better following if we want to get into a P5 conference because right now we aren't deserving from a media revenue standpoint and that's what matters. Source: www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/2/ |
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 24, 2021 8:09:29 GMT -8
So let’s see, these four schools bolt for the B1G. Now, outside of the Washington schools who they have history with, their next closest opponent is Nebraska who they have no history with, and is 1500 miles away. The average distance between UCLA/USC and their conference opponents is well over 2000 miles, with some as much as 3000 miles and literally on the opposite coast. You’re playing most of your road games 2 or even 3 time zones away. The B1G is now an 18 member conference, so you have a western division with 2 California schools, 2 Washington schools, Nebraska, probably Illinois and Northwestern, and then you have to pick two more out of the Midwest group (Purdue and Indiana?). It makes very little sense. What USC fans want to see Northwestern play in the Coliseum? Or Illinois? The distance is of little concern for football. It’s slightly more concern for hoops but can be managed. For women’s gymnastics though, it’s a much bigger issue. I just don’t see this making a lot of sense for anybody. If it does happen it’s pretty much a power grab. As someone already pointed out, it would be basically a 2-conference system at that point. If you’re not in the SEC or Big 10 you’re permanently locked out of the club. If this happens, the remains of the PAC 12 and Big 12 are officially “part of the rest” and it’s time to just reorganize into regional conferences that make geographic sense. Never say never. I’m not going to be the one to say this won’t happen, but the sheer notion of a conference set up like that is just ludicrous. They have this new invention called "airplanes" that can get you from coast to coast in 5 hours. Airplanes cost money, and when you’re flying tennis teams cross country to play in a contest that doesn’t bring any money in it adds up quickly. Not to mention the time zones are significant. You have to plan an extra travel day to account for the time zones, that’s more time away from class for the student athletes. If you’ve ever done frequent business travel (I have, worldwide), travel to the east coast kicks your butt. I always had a harder time adjusting to the east coast than I did adjusting to Asia. That 3 hour difference is just enough to screw with your system. It’s not something that can be ignored. Then there’s the fan appeal. If USC fans grumble about having to play Washington State and ASU, I'm sure home games at the Coliseum against Indiana and Rutgers will make them much happier. At the time I posted this reply it was about 9 AM California time. Say you're going to play Rutgers this weekend. It's already noon there and you have a 5-hour flight. So you get on your flight and assuming no delays you get in at 5 PM local time. If you get out of the airport very efficiently you're at your hotel at say 6:30 and nobody has had dinner yet. You need your day of local practice time to get acclimated, but that's not happening today. It's pretty much a day of nothing but travel, and an extra full day away from the classroom for the student athletes. Add Cal and Stanford to the mix and maybe you have something, but now you have a 20 team conference and will still have some distant outliers in the western division. Bottom line is there’s far more to consider in something like this than the football money. Unfortunately the football money is what may ultimately drive this to happen, but still in terms of anything you’d call a college sports conference this is just pure idiocy and greed. |
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 24, 2021 8:38:50 GMT -8
So let’s see, these four schools bolt for the B1G. Now, outside of Washington and Oregon who they have history with, their next closest opponent is Nebraska who they have no history with, and is 1500 miles away. The average distance between UCLA/USC and their conference opponents is well over 2000 miles, with some as much as 3000 miles and literally on the opposite coast. You’re playing most of your road games 2 or even 3 time zones away. The B1G is now an 18 member conference, so you have a western division with 2 California schools, Washington, Oregon,, Nebraska, probably Illinois and Northwestern, and then you have to pick two more out of the Midwest group (Purdue and Indiana?). It makes very little sense. What USC fans want to see Northwestern play in the Coliseum? Or Illinois? The distance is of little concern for football. It’s slightly more concern for hoops but can be managed. For women’s gymnastics though, it’s a much bigger issue. I just don’t see this making a lot of sense for anybody. If it does happen it’s pretty much a power grab. As someone already pointed out, it would be basically a 2-conference system at that point. If you’re not in the SEC or Big 10 you’re permanently locked out of the club. If this happens, the remains of the PAC 12 and Big 12 are officially “part of the rest” and it’s time to just reorganize into regional conferences that make geographic sense. Never say never. I’m not going to be the one to say this won’t happen, but the sheer notion of a conference set up like that is just ludicrous. This is where college football is going in the wrong direction and shooting itself in the foot. They seem to be saying they really don't care about the west coast anymore. If they were really interested in the long haul they should be looking to see what they can do to boost up the lacking of support of whatever is wrong with the Pac and start trying to get it more in-tune with the rest of the P5's. The whole of college football will be better off with a stronger Pac, just like the other conferences. |
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 24, 2021 8:45:44 GMT -8
Great article and data for discussion. Unfortunately, much of the success of the programs listed is created by the fact their games are played on the big or bigger networks. If SDSU was played every Saturday on CBS at 12 p.m., what do you think its ratings would be? Significantly greater than they are now for certain, and not because Aztec football suddenly became more popular. I remember watching Notre Dame year after year, when they were horrible! I hated it, but had little else to choose from. If we were in the PAC16, our ratings would skyrocket. So, "whatever" on the stats. We know what our ratings would be. Last year we played Nevada at noon on CBS and the rating was a 0.6 with 859,000 viewers. That is horrendous. The Akron v Kent St game on ESPN later that day had better ratings. The Wisconsin v Northwestern game played at the same time on ABC had more than four times the viewers. Kansas St v Iowa St on at the same time on Fox had more than three times the viewers (funny how some on here think the Big 12 remnants don't get ratings). The Cincy v UCF game on at the same time on ESPN had 50% more viewers than our game. We need to get a better following if we want to get into a P5 conference because right now we aren't deserving from a media revenue standpoint and that's what matters. Source: www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/2/I get that we had a terrible tv rating, but we were playing Reno. I agree with omnipotentaztec that if we were to have played Oregon, or USC, or most other teams in the pac12 we would've had higher ratings. |
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 24, 2021 8:46:15 GMT -8
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 24, 2021 8:48:50 GMT -8
I think if it did go to a 2 conference system where the SEC and B1G were the only two that mattered, college football would fall off a cliff. What makes college football so popular is that so many alumni are huge fans of their teams... so if all these other teams suddenly were left out and didn't matter, they'd be leaving behind a MASSIVE part of the overall college football fanbase.
Either that, or the SEC/B1G would not be as popular as people think it would be, and the massive group of college football fanbases would still follow their schools instead of the SEC/B1G and therefore it would still be relevant to be outside of the SEC/B1G
I already feel this way toward college football as a whole, as I've pretty much stopped watching anyone except SDSU/MWC because I just don't really care for any of the rest of it. I used to love college football back when SDSU had a theoretical chance to win it all or at least make it to the Holiday Bowl and it all wasn't as monetarily lopsided as it is now I'm 100% with you there. I've already mostly lost interest in college football. Just call it the NFL D-League and get it over with. My honest opinion though is that it might actually be good for college football if this happens. A lot of people will want to watch "the big games" on TV, but there will still be a market for "the rest" because, as you say, people want to watch their alma mater. I enjoy watching mine - even though it's 60 years of pretty crappy football, it's still my alma mater. That's where I say it would be prudent to just organize into conferences that restore traditional geographic rivalries and minimize travel cost and logistics. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 24, 2021 9:03:15 GMT -8
Great article and data for discussion. Unfortunately, much of the success of the programs listed is created by the fact their games are played on the big or bigger networks. If SDSU was played every Saturday on CBS at 12 p.m., what do you think its ratings would be? Significantly greater than they are now for certain, and not because Aztec football suddenly became more popular. I remember watching Notre Dame year after year, when they were horrible! I hated it, but had little else to choose from. If we were in the PAC16, our ratings would skyrocket. So, "whatever" on the stats. We know what our ratings would be. Last year we played Nevada at noon on CBS and the rating was a 0.6 with 859,000 viewers. That is horrendous. The Akron v Kent St game on ESPN later that day had better ratings. The Wisconsin v Northwestern game played at the same time on ABC had more than four times the viewers. Kansas St v Iowa St on at the same time on Fox had more than three times the viewers (funny how some on here think the Big 12 remnants don't get ratings). The Cincy v UCF game on at the same time on ESPN had 50% more viewers than our game. We need to get a better following if we want to get into a P5 conference because right now we aren't deserving from a media revenue standpoint and that's what matters. Source: www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/2/It was nearly identical to the UCLA v Oregon game at the same time on ESPN2 at the time, which is the most accurate west coast game comparison. That despite being a late replacement game in what's typically a SEC time slot up against the main B1G game. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 24, 2021 9:22:24 GMT -8
Ouch! That doesn't scream success with the TV viewers. I still think if we were in a better conference and the teams we played were better would be a huge help. I would like to know the numbers when we play UCLA, ASU, UofA, StanTurd, Etc. I bet the better teams allows us to really increase our viewer numbers. The problem with those #'s is they're extremely biased. Games on CBSSN, which isn't tracked, count as a 0 rather than being ignored which significantly reduces the average viewership. We are nowhere near 63k. Since CBSSN loves us we tend to be on their network more, meaning our numbers are most likely to be skewed. |
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Post by aardvark on Sept 24, 2021 9:33:19 GMT -8
One post on that thread stated that we should wait 10 years and revisit this. Didn't even have to wait 10 years. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 24, 2021 10:11:42 GMT -8
So let’s see, these four schools bolt for the B1G. Now, outside of the Washington schools who they have history with, their next closest opponent is Nebraska who they have no history with, and is 1500 miles away. The average distance between UCLA/USC and their conference opponents is well over 2000 miles, with some as much as 3000 miles and literally on the opposite coast. You’re playing most of your road games 2 or even 3 time zones away. The B1G is now an 18 member conference, so you have a western division with 2 California schools, 2 Washington schools, Nebraska, probably Illinois and Northwestern, and then you have to pick two more out of the Midwest group (Purdue and Indiana?). It makes very little sense. What USC fans want to see Northwestern play in the Coliseum? Or Illinois? The distance is of little concern for football. It’s slightly more concern for hoops but can be managed. For women’s gymnastics though, it’s a much bigger issue. I just don’t see this making a lot of sense for anybody. If it does happen it’s pretty much a power grab. As someone already pointed out, it would be basically a 2-conference system at that point. If you’re not in the SEC or Big 10 you’re permanently locked out of the club. If this happens, the remains of the PAC 12 and Big 12 are officially “part of the rest” and it’s time to just reorganize into regional conferences that make geographic sense. Never say never. I’m not going to be the one to say this won’t happen, but the sheer notion of a conference set up like that is just ludicrous. They have this new invention called "airplanes" that can get you from coast to coast in 5 hours. Your being silly or you don’t get it. There are many concerns.. 1. A five hour flight across three times zones is really a nine hour flight (including pre and post flight token to get through airport security) then you lose time. For a Saturday game you are going to leave on a Thursday in order to make sure you get there. If you leave on Friday morning, you aren’t going to get there until Friday night… the length of travel will negatively affect the play. This is for football with one game a week. What if you play at Illinois and at Maryland on Wednesday and Saturday, are you going to fly home in between games? Are you going to stay on the road the whole week, same for Women’s basketball? So, a weekly cross county trip for your basketball team isn’t thought and expensive? What about the 30 deep baseball and softball teams? Every road trip would be a week long trip, leave on Wednesday afternoon or early Thursday and get back at best Monday night. On the Women’s sports side, you have more programs with smaller numbers that have games/matches more often… Maybe it means more dollars for the department and maybe it means 34 teams in reality playing for the title, but it would be really hard on the rest of the athletic department. |
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Post by Cwag on Sept 24, 2021 11:09:23 GMT -8
They have this new invention called "airplanes" that can get you from coast to coast in 5 hours. Your being silly or you don’t get it. There are many concerns.. 1. A five hour flight across three times zones is really a nine hour flight (including pre and post flight token to get through airport security) then you lose time. For a Saturday game you are going to leave on a Thursday in order to make sure you get there. If you leave on Friday morning, you aren’t going to get there until Friday night… the length of travel will negatively affect the play. This is for football with one game a week. What if you play at Illinois and at Maryland on Wednesday and Saturday, are you going to fly home in between games? Are you going to stay on the road the whole week, same for Women’s basketball? So, a weekly cross county trip for your basketball team isn’t thought and expensive? What about the 30 deep baseball and softball teams? Every road trip would be a week long trip, leave on Wednesday afternoon or early Thursday and get back at best Monday night. On the Women’s sports side, you have more programs with smaller numbers that have games/matches more often… Maybe it means more dollars for the department and maybe it means 34 teams in reality playing for the title, but it would be really hard on the rest of the athletic department. How long does it take to get to Wyoming and Utah State? |
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