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Post by sdcoug on Sept 24, 2021 11:17:48 GMT -8
Your being silly or you don’t get it. There are many concerns.. 1. A five hour flight across three times zones is really a nine hour flight (including pre and post flight token to get through airport security) then you lose time. For a Saturday game you are going to leave on a Thursday in order to make sure you get there. If you leave on Friday morning, you aren’t going to get there until Friday night… the length of travel will negatively affect the play. This is for football with one game a week. What if you play at Illinois and at Maryland on Wednesday and Saturday, are you going to fly home in between games? Are you going to stay on the road the whole week, same for Women’s basketball? So, a weekly cross county trip for your basketball team isn’t thought and expensive? What about the 30 deep baseball and softball teams? Every road trip would be a week long trip, leave on Wednesday afternoon or early Thursday and get back at best Monday night. On the Women’s sports side, you have more programs with smaller numbers that have games/matches more often… Maybe it means more dollars for the department and maybe it means 34 teams in reality playing for the title, but it would be really hard on the rest of the athletic department. How long does it take to get to Wyoming and Utah State? About half as far & as long as from Seattle to Columbus OH. The cost differential with charter flights is significant, never mind commercial flights. Wyoming & USU are also not as far from the majority of the MWC conference. USU is actually pretty easy to get to, both via charter & commercial, including the bus ride. |
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 24, 2021 12:50:58 GMT -8
How long does it take to get to Wyoming and Utah State? About half as far & as long as from Seattle to Columbus OH. The cost differential with charter flights is significant, never mind commercial flights. Wyoming & USU are also not as far from the majority of the MWC conference. USU is actually pretty easy to get to, both via charter & commercial, including the bus ride. Only challenge with Wyoming is it's a 2 hour drive from the closest major airport (Denver). Laramie does have a regional airport, but it only has one or two commercial flights a day in and out (Skywest commuter jets) and I believe they both go to Denver. I'm sure you could land a charter jet in there pretty easily. The drive up from Denver is right up I-25, so it's an easy drive unless it's snowy. Colorado State is about 45 minutes away which makes those two a good travel pair. It's actually a lot easier to get to than Washington State in the PAC-12. |
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Post by AzTex on Sept 24, 2021 13:16:50 GMT -8
Your being silly or you don’t get it. There are many concerns.. 1. A five hour flight across three times zones is really a nine hour flight (including pre and post flight token to get through airport security) then you lose time. For a Saturday game you are going to leave on a Thursday in order to make sure you get there. If you leave on Friday morning, you aren’t going to get there until Friday night… the length of travel will negatively affect the play. This is for football with one game a week. What if you play at Illinois and at Maryland on Wednesday and Saturday, are you going to fly home in between games? Are you going to stay on the road the whole week, same for Women’s basketball? So, a weekly cross county trip for your basketball team isn’t thought and expensive? What about the 30 deep baseball and softball teams? Every road trip would be a week long trip, leave on Wednesday afternoon or early Thursday and get back at best Monday night. On the Women’s sports side, you have more programs with smaller numbers that have games/matches more often… Maybe it means more dollars for the department and maybe it means 34 teams in reality playing for the title, but it would be really hard on the rest of the athletic department. How long does it take to get to Wyoming and Utah State? I think we all remember one Aztec basketball trip to Wyoming that took something like 24 hours and 3 airplanes. Depends on the weather. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 24, 2021 14:29:43 GMT -8
About half as far & as long as from Seattle to Columbus OH. The cost differential with charter flights is significant, never mind commercial flights. Wyoming & USU are also not as far from the majority of the MWC conference. USU is actually pretty easy to get to, both via charter & commercial, including the bus ride. Only challenge with Wyoming is it's a 2 hour drive from the closest major airport (Denver). Laramie does have a regional airport, but it only has one or two commercial flights a day in and out (Skywest commuter jets) and I believe they both go to Denver. I'm sure you could land a charter jet in there pretty easily. The drive up from Denver is right up I-25, so it's an easy drive unless it's snowy. Colorado State is about 45 minutes away which makes those two a good travel pair. It's actually a lot easier to get to than Washington State in the PAC-12. We typically charter directly to Laramie for football (obviously) & basketball, especially this year when we play at NM 5 days later. They don't have a baseball or softball team, so really the only even semi-major sports that have to bus tend to be women's hoops, volleyball & soccer. I'd expect hoops to charter to Fort Collins as well, at least on the way back. Getting to WSU is dependent upon the sport & schedule, and even that could be changing. Football currently flies into Lewiston, then takes about a 1 hour bus trip. Snow can screw with that. Hoops is split - half the teams come from Seattle, since in league play they played UW 1st, so it's a direct flight into Pullman. If flying from LA & not flying charter then they typically either fly direct into Spokane & bus 90 minutes or they go through Seattle. But Pullman's expanding their airport, so all that may change. Especially for charters. Back to the original point, if UW were to jump to the B1G the travel would be worse than the MWC's travel, and I don't think it's even close. Especially when it comes to secondary sports. Commercially there are some bad layovers + drives. |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 24, 2021 21:42:59 GMT -8
About half as far & as long as from Seattle to Columbus OH. The cost differential with charter flights is significant, never mind commercial flights. Wyoming & USU are also not as far from the majority of the MWC conference. USU is actually pretty easy to get to, both via charter & commercial, including the bus ride. Only challenge with Wyoming is it's a 2 hour drive from the closest major airport (Denver). Laramie does have a regional airport, but it only has one or two commercial flights a day in and out (Skywest commuter jets) and I believe they both go to Denver. I'm sure you could land a charter jet in there pretty easily. The drive up from Denver is right up I-25, so it's an easy drive unless it's snowy. Colorado State is about 45 minutes away which makes those two a good travel pair. It's actually a lot easier to get to than Washington State in the PAC-12. Still kind of amazes me that Washington State got into the PAC12... |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 24, 2021 21:44:04 GMT -8
Only challenge with Wyoming is it's a 2 hour drive from the closest major airport (Denver). Laramie does have a regional airport, but it only has one or two commercial flights a day in and out (Skywest commuter jets) and I believe they both go to Denver. I'm sure you could land a charter jet in there pretty easily. The drive up from Denver is right up I-25, so it's an easy drive unless it's snowy. Colorado State is about 45 minutes away which makes those two a good travel pair. It's actually a lot easier to get to than Washington State in the PAC-12. We typically charter directly to Laramie for football (obviously) & basketball, especially this year when we play at NM 5 days later. They don't have a baseball or softball team, so really the only even semi-major sports that have to bus tend to be women's hoops, volleyball & soccer. I'd expect hoops to charter to Fort Collins as well, at least on the way back. Getting to WSU is dependent upon the sport & schedule, and even that could be changing. Football currently flies into Lewiston, then takes about a 1 hour bus trip. Snow can screw with that. Hoops is split - half the teams come from Seattle, since in league play they played UW 1st, so it's a direct flight into Pullman. If flying from LA & not flying charter then they typically either fly direct into Spokane & bus 90 minutes or they go through Seattle. But Pullman's expanding their airport, so all that may change. Especially for charters. Back to the original point, if UW were to jump to the B1G the travel would be worse than the MWC's travel, and I don't think it's even close. Especially when it comes to secondary sports. Commercially there are some bad layovers + drives. They would have to split off football and basketball from the rest of the sports, right? Might as well reorganize all the other sports into conferences geographically at that point, if money is the primary motivator. |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 24, 2021 21:51:21 GMT -8
The AAC is targeting Boise, SDSU, Colorado St and Air Force in an expansion bid. Reportedly Colorado State and Air Force have more interest then Boise and SDSU: theathletic.com/news/aac-expects-to-add-schools-in-matter-of-weeks-amid-conference-realignment/q5WWGKQXqLy9Taking Colorado State/Air Force would not really change anything - the MW is still the better conference. If anything it might just lead to the MW going after Memphis, SMU and Gonzaga... Zero chance that Boise leaves its sweetheart MW deal for a worse conference. Zero chance SDSU leaves for a worse conference that's thousands of miles away from San Diego. ------------------- What might make the most sense would be if the AAC got all of the service schools, taking just Air Force from the MW. The MW could take SMU and Gonzaga and still keep a Western geographical footprint. |
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 24, 2021 22:12:50 GMT -8
The AAC is targeting Boise, SDSU, Colorado St and Air Force in an expansion bid. Reportedly Colorado State and Air Force have more interest then Boise and SDSU: theathletic.com/news/aac-expects-to-add-schools-in-matter-of-weeks-amid-conference-realignment/q5WWGKQXqLy9Taking Colorado State/Air Force would not really change anything - the MW is still the better conference. If anything it might just lead to the MW going after Memphis, SMU and Gonzaga... Zero chance that Boise leaves its sweetheart MW deal for a worse conference. Zero chance SDSU leaves for a worse conference that's thousands of miles away from San Diego. ------------------- What might make the most sense would be if the AAC got all of the service schools, taking just Air Force from the MW. The MW could take SMU and Gonzaga and still keep a Western geographical footprint. that would be a huge. also could force a renegotiation of tv deal. smu and gonzaga are not switching comferences. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 26, 2021 10:02:21 GMT -8
We typically charter directly to Laramie for football (obviously) & basketball, especially this year when we play at NM 5 days later. They don't have a baseball or softball team, so really the only even semi-major sports that have to bus tend to be women's hoops, volleyball & soccer. I'd expect hoops to charter to Fort Collins as well, at least on the way back. Getting to WSU is dependent upon the sport & schedule, and even that could be changing. Football currently flies into Lewiston, then takes about a 1 hour bus trip. Snow can screw with that. Hoops is split - half the teams come from Seattle, since in league play they played UW 1st, so it's a direct flight into Pullman. If flying from LA & not flying charter then they typically either fly direct into Spokane & bus 90 minutes or they go through Seattle. But Pullman's expanding their airport, so all that may change. Especially for charters. Back to the original point, if UW were to jump to the B1G the travel would be worse than the MWC's travel, and I don't think it's even close. Especially when it comes to secondary sports. Commercially there are some bad layovers + drives. They would have to split off football and basketball from the rest of the sports, right? Might as well reorganize all the other sports into conferences geographically at that point, if money is the primary motivator. Zero chance UW would move their Olympic sports teams to a lesser conference which is exactly why this would never happen. Plus the fact the WA legislators wouldn't let it happen without WSU. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 26, 2021 13:21:41 GMT -8
Some thoughts
Think most conferences and schools are looking at how their team is doing this season and Recruiting - most are in conference play or about to go into it . For most P6 schools - they have a great TV deal and the benefits it brings with it - including recruiting so why mess with it . Yes the Sooners and Longhorns did but think there was little doubt the Big 12 was the weakest of the P5 conferences so they did . Also they are close to being centrally located so can travel
Believe our AD stays in contact with the TV Networks , BIG 12 , AAC , MW ..... while also making sure our players stay in line on Vaccination protocol , Player money agreements that players can and can not do , Building of the new Facility , Also maybe trying to get Brady a TV show and Dutch ...
Many articles are just thrown out there to get reaction or followers
As for a thought on Wyoming and other Mountain Schools - how many times to we recall some horrific travels for our teams to those schools - both there and back . Even worse Games where we had the better team but with the travel or altitude - we lost to a team that we should have beaten . Remember guys getting sick for a game and even the time it took to recover . Sometimes those lingering affects led to another defeat or illness . Ask some current or former Aztecs about those games . So would I miss playing those schools - NO
It is also another smart reason quality teams do not schedule Mountain teams the possibility of a bad loss and the lingering affects for the guys well after the game . So smart P6 schools do not schedule games AT those schools and would guess or hope if we got into the BIG 12 neither would we .
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 26, 2021 15:31:58 GMT -8
Some thoughts Think most conferences and schools are looking at how their team is doing this season and Recruiting - most are in conference play or about to go into it . For most P6 schools - they have a great TV deal and the benefits it brings with it - including recruiting so why mess with it . Yes the Sooners and Longhorns did but think there was little doubt the Big 12 was the weakest of the P5 conferences so they did . Also they are close to being centrally located so can travel Believe our AD stays in contact with the TV Networks , BIG 12 , AAC , MW ..... while also making sure our players stay in line on Vaccination protocol , Player money agreements that players can and can not do , Building of the new Facility , Also maybe trying to get Brady a TV show and Dutch ... Many articles are just thrown out there to get reaction or followers As for a thought on Wyoming and other Mountain Schools - how many times to we recall some horrific travels for our teams to those schools - both there and back . Even worse Games where we had the better team but with the travel or altitude - we lost to a team that we should have beaten . Remember guys getting sick for a game and even the time it took to recover . Sometimes those lingering affects led to another defeat or illness . Ask some current or former Aztecs about those games . So would I miss playing those schools - NO It is also another smart reason quality teams do not schedule Mountain teams the possibility of a bad loss and the lingering affects for the guys well after the game . So smart P6 schools do not schedule games AT those schools and would guess or hope if we got into the BIG 12 neither would we . I don’t claim to know any more than anybody else on here. There’s a ton of speculation and hundreds of possible scenarios that can play out over the next few years. I do, however, have a friend high up in the athletic department at NMSU so I get an occasional leak from some of the discussions going on among schools and conferences. I won’t share specifics because that would be a breach of trust, but I do know for sure that there have been at least a couple conference calls between the AAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA about somehow joining forces and shuffling schools between the three. UTEP for example has to play a lot of its games in the southeast which doesn’t make much sense or have much appeal for their fans. In the meantime there are a bunch of Texas schools between the other two conferences that would be a much better fit for them. They could realign into a Texas division and include NMSU, while the rest of them could also realign into more sensible regional divisions. I don’t know if it would mean the three merge into a single conference with fixed divisions, or just trade schools between themselves, or what, but the notion makes a hell of a lot of sense. As long as the AAC thinks it’s still relevant it obviously won’t happen though. I can definitely see something like this playing out at some point. In that scenario, the MWC just focuses on basically staying put and becoming the best of the rest. As far as I’m aware, the MWC hasn’t engaged or been approached as part of these discussions. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 26, 2021 15:33:58 GMT -8
If the Pac loses those 4 it'll become a battle between the Pac and Big12 trying to poach each other. Big12 probably wants Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools. Pac probably wants Kansas, 2 Texas schools and maybe OK St. or BYU but the Pac would also need to refill California schools to prevent further poaching. If neither conference poaches then I think prime Pac adds are SDSU, Fresno St. (they need to replenish California losses) and maybe the 2 Nevada schools or CSU? No Power conference wants Kansas. Their football program sucks and has sucked. They've had something like 3 winning seasons in the last 15 years. For the last decade they haven't had a season with more than 3 wins. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 26, 2021 16:45:46 GMT -8
There have been articles from the last time the BIG expanded from their Strong Fan Base - Bottom Line Fans are not excited about adding more schools . So do wonder if the BIG does add more schools - Agree they do not want Kansas or K State - not sure Iowa wants Iowa State . BIG added Nebraska but not sure they feel the Love for Colorado .
they have a strong Alum base and not sure PAC schools are really wanted in the BIG - and other then a trip out to the West Coast not sure they are buying even USC or USC , Stanford or the Ducks .
the remaining G5 conferences are kind of looking for dance partners for a square dance .
Do think the best school for a conference to add is Houston and they have let it be known they would go to the PAC
Think most conferences are looking to see how things shake out this year - so must news is really things thrown at the wall to see if it will stick
Tell me if you are Colorado , Utah , Az or ASU are you jumping to the BIG without knowing how much money they are going to get ?
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Sept 26, 2021 17:38:37 GMT -8
If the Pac loses those 4 it'll become a battle between the Pac and Big12 trying to poach each other. Big12 probably wants Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools. Pac probably wants Kansas, 2 Texas schools and maybe OK St. or BYU but the Pac would also need to refill California schools to prevent further poaching. If neither conference poaches then I think prime Pac adds are SDSU, Fresno St. (they need to replenish California losses) and maybe the 2 Nevada schools or CSU? No Power conference wants Kansas. Their football program sucks and has sucked. They've had something like 3 winning seasons in the last 15 years. For the last decade they haven't had a season with more than 3 wins. Is the Pac still a power conference if they lose Oregon, Washington, USC and UCLA? The hypothetical poaching of the Big12 would be more about maintaining status more than anything and even though Kansas isn't a great football program they are still a known national program thanks to their basketball success. Plus they're an AAU school. |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 26, 2021 18:44:23 GMT -8
I can absolutely see the B1G adding Kansas. Kansas City, and the rest of the state, is a decent amount of eyeballs (plus NCAA hoops credits).
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Post by sdsu2000 on Sept 29, 2021 11:48:19 GMT -8
Let's say the Big 12 adds Boise State and SDSU.
What schools from the MW would you still like to see stay on the schedule?
I'd like to see Fresno State for football and UNLV & UNM for basketball.
We probably wouldn't want to schedule teams from the MW for football but we need a true rival so I'd like to see Fresno every year. We are not BYU's rival nor are we Boise's.
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Post by aztecjeff on Sept 29, 2021 15:40:57 GMT -8
Let's say the Big 12 adds Boise State and SDSU. What schools from the MW would you still like to see stay on the schedule? I'd like to see Fresno State for football and UNLV & UNM for basketball. We probably wouldn't want to schedule teams from the MW for football but we need a true rival so I'd like to see Fresno every year. We are not BYU's rival nor are we Boise's. Personally speaking, I'd like to see Part II of the Big XII's expansion include San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State and Memphis (3 in the West & 1 more in the East). Every one of these schools are proven winners. To answer the question, if the Aztecs are invited and the Bulldogs aren't (yet), I'd like to keep the fierce rivalry going with Fresno State. |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 29, 2021 16:00:21 GMT -8
Swap out Fresno, swap in UNLV to join the Big 12 with us... Fresno then becomes the non-conf opponent to keep on the schedule
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 29, 2021 17:43:15 GMT -8
I can absolutely see the B1G adding Kansas. Kansas City, and the rest of the state, is a decent amount of eyeballs (plus NCAA hoops credits). Kansas City, Missouri is where the professional teams play and is the bigger part of then metro and is heavily Mizzou… Kansas’ football team brings nothing… |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 29, 2021 17:49:02 GMT -8
I can absolutely see the B1G adding Kansas. Kansas City, and the rest of the state, is a decent amount of eyeballs (plus NCAA hoops credits). Kansas City, Missouri is where the professional teams play and is the bigger part of then metro and is heavily Mizzou… Kansas’ football team brings nothing…Agreed, but there are some programs where blue blood status is worth a lot of money to a conference. Kansas basketball is elite enough to where they overcome their football issues. Hoops, they say, represents 20% of the media revenue that's driven by football, but in this instance they may be more the equivalent of 35-40%. Academically Kansas is a good fit. Not sure it'll happen, because I think they stand pat, but if they were to expand....and if they couldn't pull a bigger player, Kansas is the best of the current B12 for them IMO. |
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