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Post by moctezumaii on Sept 19, 2021 4:09:43 GMT -8
i could see usc and oregon do it for basketball and footnall only. or i could see them cutting sports out right to save costs Zero chance either Oregon or USC leaves for football & BB only. They'd have to put all their other sports in 3rd tier conferences and that's not happening. There are requirements for fielding a certain # of sports for conference membership so can't see them cutting enough programs to make it feasible. There'd also be too much pushback from donors. What about certain schools from the Pac 12 and MWC moving their Football and Basketball into more 'prime conferences', then forming a new all-Olympic (and Baseball) sports conference that's regional? A radical notion, but change is coming. |
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Post by moctezumaii on Sept 19, 2021 4:13:26 GMT -8
The plus for unlv is now playing football at Allegiant Stadium and hoops at the Thomas and Mack. The bad news is the football is a bad lost 48-3 to Iowa State today. Is playing in a cavernously empty new NFL stadium REALLY a plus? |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Sept 19, 2021 8:31:59 GMT -8
The plus for unlv is now playing football at Allegiant Stadium and hoops at the Thomas and Mack. The bad news is the football is a bad lost 48-3 to Iowa State today. Is playing in a cavernously empty new NFL stadium REALLY a plus? Good point - but - with bigger, more high profile teams coming in, more fans in LV- both alums and casual fans will come out, plus you will have large contingents of fans of the opposing team coming. It won’t be a great home crowd but would be a great game environment. |
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Post by tttrojan4life on Sept 19, 2021 8:36:14 GMT -8
I actually wrote a blog piece on this today, not an inside information kind of thing but a suggestion of what the Big 12 should do moving forward. Like they're going to listen to me. Basic premise is that adding those first four teams doesn't really do much to offset the loss of Okla and Tex, and to remain anywhere close to relevancy compared to the power conferences, they'll have to offer a different sort of product to the fans and TV networks. That means inventory, games coast to coast from 11am Eastern to 11pm Pacific. Next four additions would be Memphis, Boise, SDSU and UNLV. Yeah, the Rebels, but every league needs a doormat, right? But seriously, having access to the Raiders new stadium and a third destination city (along with San Diego and Orlando) would prove beneficial in ways that CSU can't match. Here's a link if you're super bored. I agree with you. UNLV would improve though. UNLV is akin to a penny stock with enormous growth potential. If I were the B12, I would include them as a long term hold. |
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Post by tttrojan4life on Sept 19, 2021 8:44:28 GMT -8
USC needs to bail from the PAC. They have never promoted SC as their marque football program, to their own detriment. They should, with Oregon (I can’t believe I’m including them) and go to the B10, or SEC.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Sept 19, 2021 8:46:51 GMT -8
ASU is a Tier 1 research institution. Boise is basically a glorified junior college that doesn’t even have PhD programs. That’s the difference. But they do have a truck driving school!!! : ) Is this really true? Can you major in truck driving? Wtf? |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 19, 2021 9:56:15 GMT -8
USC needs to bail from the PAC. They have never promoted SC as their marque football program, to their own detriment. They should, with Oregon (I can’t believe I’m including them) and go to the B10, or SEC. Would be great for SDSU... I don't care a single bit about USC (no offense), but that could open an opportunity. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 19, 2021 10:31:37 GMT -8
But they do have a truck driving school!!! : ) Is this really true? Can you major in truck driving? Wtf? BSU offers a truck driving school. www.truckstuffusa.com/idaho/ |
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Sept 19, 2021 11:55:53 GMT -8
Is playing in a cavernously empty new NFL stadium REALLY a plus? Good point - but - with bigger, more high profile teams coming in, more fans in LV- both alums and casual fans will come out, plus you will have large contingents of fans of the opposing team coming. It won’t be a great home crowd but would be a great game environment. This. Last night was a perfect demonstration of what Allegiant will do for UNLV. Visiting schools will be able to leverage the stadium and the Strip into a killer road trip for their fans, something they couldn’t do with Sam Boyd. Thousands will take advantage. The result will be terrific OOCs every September, and a corresponding bump in recruiting. The next five or so years should see a transformation in UNLV football. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 19, 2021 12:26:09 GMT -8
Good point - but - with bigger, more high profile teams coming in, more fans in LV- both alums and casual fans will come out, plus you will have large contingents of fans of the opposing team coming. It won’t be a great home crowd but would be a great game environment. This. Last night was a perfect demonstration of what Allegiant will do for UNLV. Visiting schools will be able to leverage the stadium and the Strip into a killer road trip for their fans, something they couldn’t do with Sam Boyd. Thousands will take advantage. The result will be terrific OOCs every September, and a corresponding bump in recruiting. The next five or so years should see a transformation in UNLV football. I don't think getting your head kicked in week in and week out helps recruiting. Not to mention the optics of plying in a cavernous stadium. Last night, they had 35K in attendance. The vast majority in attendance were ISU fans and the place was half empty. It looked terrible and will only look worse when they get to the conference portion where the novelty of playing in Vegas is not a draw as it is for other non mw fan bases. Vegas needs to win, that is only solution. Even then, I am not sure that is enough. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 19, 2021 15:42:02 GMT -8
First would heavily guess that Las Vegas does become a solid NFL spot for Raider Nation - they will get a good amount of Raider Fans from all over and Fans from their opponents for an enjoyable weekend
For Saturdays Nights might get opponents coming in for the game and then to the strip or fans just going to the Casinos ? . Will there be a strong group of UNLV fans following the UNLV team - have little idea other then if they are Good..... Maybe --also what will the price be for tickets . Could be similar to what happened to the Chargers and Aztecs ? When that happens it sure seems the NFL team gets the fans .
Do not know how many UNLV fans watch their team either home or away and that is important to TV Networks .
Sure some will come see the stadium in person if the price is decent - do they come back my speculation only if they are winning .
Do think BYU , Houston , Cincy look to be good additions
Hope they do need more additions for the TV Viewers they lost with Sooners and Longhorns - and SDSU is one of them .
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Sept 20, 2021 14:02:36 GMT -8
This. Last night was a perfect demonstration of what Allegiant will do for UNLV. Visiting schools will be able to leverage the stadium and the Strip into a killer road trip for their fans, something they couldn’t do with Sam Boyd. Thousands will take advantage. The result will be terrific OOCs every September, and a corresponding bump in recruiting. The next five or so years should see a transformation in UNLV football. I don't think getting your head kicked in week in and week out helps recruiting. Not to mention the optics of plying in a cavernous stadium. Last night, they had 35K in attendance. The vast majority in attendance were ISU fans and the place was half empty. It looked terrible and will only look worse when they get to the conference portion where the novelty of playing in Vegas is not a draw as it is for other non mw fan bases. Vegas needs to win, that is only solution. Even then, I am not sure that is enough. There’s a puzzling belief on this board that because UNLV has never won in the past, it can never win in the future. That is not a supportable argument. Today UNLV has recruiting tools they couldn’t have dreamed of a few years ago. And this time they skipped FCS and the high schools and went to Oregon to get a serious coach. I don’t know, but I doubt an OC/associate head coach with the Ducks would have ended up at UNLV without Allegiant Stadium. So already the building has brought one major upgrade to the program. As for the crowd on Saturday, yes, they were wearing mostly Iowa State colors. But their money was green, and Vegas got to keep it. An Allegiant merely half full of visiting fans will still give UNLV more ticket revenue than it has ever seen before. And the optics? How good did 15,000 (announced) in Sam Boyd ever look? Over the next several years I’m more bullish on UNLV than Boise. I see Vegas’ ceiling being as high as ours. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 20, 2021 14:09:21 GMT -8
I don't think getting your head kicked in week in and week out helps recruiting. Not to mention the optics of plying in a cavernous stadium. Last night, they had 35K in attendance. The vast majority in attendance were ISU fans and the place was half empty. It looked terrible and will only look worse when they get to the conference portion where the novelty of playing in Vegas is not a draw as it is for other non mw fan bases. Vegas needs to win, that is only solution. Even then, I am not sure that is enough. There’s a puzzling belief on this board that because UNLV has never won in the past, it can never win in the future. That is not a supportable argument. Today UNLV has recruiting tools they couldn’t have dreamed of a few years ago. And this time they skipped FCS and the high schools and went to Oregon to get a serious coach. I don’t know, but I doubt an OC/associate head coach with the Ducks would have ended up at UNLV without Allegiant Stadium. So already the building has brought one major upgrade to the program. As for the crowd on Saturday, yes, they were wearing mostly Iowa State colors. But their money was green, and Vegas got to keep it. An Allegiant merely half full of visiting fans will still give UNLV more ticket revenue than it has ever seen before. And the optics? How good did 15,000 (announced) in Sam Boyd ever look? Over the next several years I’m more bullish on UNLV than Boise. I see Vegas’ ceiling being as high as ours. I think having a college, on-campus stadium will always keep our ceiling higher - at least financially, but I'm with you on Boise. The problem is if realignment happens in the next 4 years I don't think UNLV can get their overall appeal in football high enough to pass Boise. But If a Boise, UNLV & SDSU were to all enter a P5 conference in 2-3 years I do agree that in 7-8 years SDSU would have the (slight) edge, followed by UNLV with Boise eventually fading over time. |
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Post by bleedredandblack on Sept 20, 2021 14:29:20 GMT -8
UNLV has some advantages that SDSU will never have. They have a medical school, a law school, and dental college. To me the school is a dump, but school president's and AD's look at kind of stuff. If SDSU had the same, we would have a much better chance to joining the Pac 12. Las Vegas is a growing city and a destination city. Boise has none of that. I think after this year ends, Boise will be exposed. I think this conference is much better this year and Boise will lose at least 2 more games. Does the Big 12 want a small town like Boise? I think not. Not enough eye balls for TV. They have a wonderful fan base (way, way better than ours) but TV eye balls is what moves the needle. San Diego and Las Vegas have a much better chance joining a better conference because of this.
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Post by standiego on Sept 20, 2021 16:06:08 GMT -8
Do think it is the THE Networks making some "suggestions " to the Big 12 on expansion as they greatly value Viewers . TV needs to sell ads to make their Money . I do not have the exact ratings this year or from the last few years . We do know that BYU and Houston have some decent numbers and that sure helped to explain why they were chosen . Would be interesting to see what Viewership has been for UNLV
BSU is a smaller area but do have almost all of Idaho plus have a good amount of the areas surrounding areas that do Not have a P5 college team or an NFL team -they are the only game in town - the people in those areas / states have adopted BSU as their team . Also have a good amount of sponsors/ alums who do buy ads .
UNLV does have a new facility but sure wonder similar to what happened to the Aztecs / Chargers if most fans in the area will go for Raider Nation and the NFL . You know Casinos will want some ads for NFL- get more people to come to gamble . Would they also spend additional money for UNLV games - especially if UNLV stays in the MW ?
How many of the people living in the UNLV area are from UNLV area or are there a good amount of transplants similar to San Diego .
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 20, 2021 16:06:08 GMT -8
I don't think getting your head kicked in week in and week out helps recruiting. Not to mention the optics of plying in a cavernous stadium. Last night, they had 35K in attendance. The vast majority in attendance were ISU fans and the place was half empty. It looked terrible and will only look worse when they get to the conference portion where the novelty of playing in Vegas is not a draw as it is for other non mw fan bases. Vegas needs to win, that is only solution. Even then, I am not sure that is enough. There’s a puzzling belief on this board that because UNLV has never won in the past, it can never win in the future. That is not a supportable argument. Today UNLV has recruiting tools they couldn’t have dreamed of a few years ago. And this time they skipped FCS and the high schools and went to Oregon to get a serious coach. I don’t know, but I doubt an OC/associate head coach with the Ducks would have ended up at UNLV without Allegiant Stadium. So already the building has brought one major upgrade to the program. As for the crowd on Saturday, yes, they were wearing mostly Iowa State colors. But their money was green, and Vegas got to keep it. An Allegiant merely half full of visiting fans will still give UNLV more ticket revenue than it has ever seen before. And the optics? How good did 15,000 (announced) in Sam Boyd ever look? Over the next several years I’m more bullish on UNLV than Boise. I see Vegas’ ceiling being as high as ours. I never said that UNLV was not capable of winning in the future. It's what is sorely needed in the desert and they may find some level of success in the future. I would be curious as to the support they would receive in a good season. Like SJSU, the apathy to losing is not a concern, the apathy to winning is the concern. I don't judge a fan base on the empty seats for a 2-10 or 3-8 squad. I do judge fan bases on empty seats when they are 10-2 and 8-3. In any event, it would be interesting to see how the rebs would be supported during a winning season. I don't think Vegas has much of a ceiling. Like most western cities, there are a tremendous amount of transplants. That makes it hard to connect with the citizens. What makes it harder is when you have to compete for the entertainment dollars and attention with pro and other college teams. The knights and raiders are doing just that in Vegas. To make matters worse, the Rebs are now playing in a venue that is 3x too large. Not only are the optics bad, it becomes an anchor to the program in many ways. USF gets it .... www.wfla.com/sports/usf-bulls/usf-announces-intent-to-build-on-campus-football-stadium-at-indoor-practice-field-groundbreaking/Memphis gets it ..... www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/mark-giannotto/2021/06/20/liberty-bowl-parking-memphis-tigers-football-on-campus-stadium-shuttle-buses-airport/7749229002/Temple gets it www.inquirer.com/college-sports/temple/temple-university-football-stadium-lincoln-financial-field-philadelphia-20200210.htmlI think their situation with the Raiders makes harder for them, not easier. In terms of the money games, they hosted Wisky one year and made a killing. I don't think ISU fans came solely because of Allegiant. They came for Vegas and the game. Just like other teams in past years at Sam Boyd. They should have kept Sam Boyd and upgraded they hell out of it and turned into an outdoor concert facility as well. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Sept 20, 2021 16:32:48 GMT -8
I don't think ISU fans came solely because of Allegiant. They came for Vegas and the game. Just like other teams in past years at Sam Boyd. They should have kept Sam Boyd and upgraded they hell out of it and turned into an outdoor concert facility as well. I think UNLV has a very high ceiling. Having said that, you're right to be skeptical. It's going to take more than a little sprinkling of fairy dust to make those desert dreams come true. But it's not impossible. As for Sam Boyd Stadium, that place was a horrific travesty. First, it's 15 miles and dozens of stoplights from campus. Second, it's a dump. Third, it's way, way off the Strip. Fourth, well, it's an irredeemable dump. UNLV has a real opportunity with Allegiant. It's on the Strip and only 3 mi. from campus. Put a winning team in there and lookout. As for all the ISU fans? Well, they didn't come to Vegas specifically for Allegiant, but there is zero chance more than 10% of that crowd would've turned out for that game had it been played at Sam Boyd. So there's that. I think UNLV has a shot at really turning around its football program over the next five years. But it's going to take something similar to what Fisher did with SDSU hoops. |
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 20, 2021 18:12:54 GMT -8
Good point - but - with bigger, more high profile teams coming in, more fans in LV- both alums and casual fans will come out, plus you will have large contingents of fans of the opposing team coming. It won’t be a great home crowd but would be a great game environment. This. Last night was a perfect demonstration of what Allegiant will do for UNLV. Visiting schools will be able to leverage the stadium and the Strip into a killer road trip for their fans, something they couldn’t do with Sam Boyd. Thousands will take advantage. The result will be terrific OOCs every September, and a corresponding bump in recruiting. The next five or so years should see a transformation in UNLV football. Didn't they say that about the Murf back in the day? |
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Post by laaztec on Sept 20, 2021 20:38:52 GMT -8
This. Last night was a perfect demonstration of what Allegiant will do for UNLV. Visiting schools will be able to leverage the stadium and the Strip into a killer road trip for their fans, something they couldn’t do with Sam Boyd. Thousands will take advantage. The result will be terrific OOCs every September, and a corresponding bump in recruiting. The next five or so years should see a transformation in UNLV football. Didn't they say that about the Murf back in the day? Exactly. The Raiders will suck up all the football oxygen in Las Vegas. UNLV will be even more of an after thought. That stadium is way too big for UNLV. They are going to experience what SDSU did for decades. Even if they manage to draw 35,000 people the stadium will look empty. |
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Post by Old School on Sept 21, 2021 7:01:24 GMT -8
Didn't they say that about the Murf back in the day? Exactly. The Raiders will suck up all the football oxygen in Las Vegas. UNLV will be even more of an after thought. That stadium is way too big for UNLV. They are going to experience what SDSU did for decades. Even if they manage to draw 35,000 people the stadium will look empty. Tarps on the upper decks? Oldie Out |
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