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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 1, 2015 18:43:31 GMT -8
Hypothetical... Who would be left over if Texas and Oklahoma depart for other P5's? And who would be the best additions to the BIG XII leftovers (MWC, AAC, BYU) to form a new conference or just continue with the name BIG XII?    |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 1, 2015 19:17:33 GMT -8
BIG XII leftovers… 1. Iowa State 2. Kansas State 3. Texas Tech 4. TCU 5. Baylor Additions… 1. BYU 2. SDSU 3. CSU 4. Cincinnati 5. UCF 6. Houston 7. Memphis Possible… 8. UNLV 9. Boise State 10. USF 11. UConn (I think they may eventually go to ACC with WVU) 12. Tulane Anyway, that's just a quick list. Not sure what the max number would be; 12, 14, 16. It is a pretty cumbersome league that stretches coast to coast. A work in progress; lets see what others come up with.  |
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Post by pbbroker on Jul 1, 2015 19:35:56 GMT -8
Hypothetical... Who would be left over if Texas and Oklahoma depart for other P5's? And who would be the best additions to the BIG XII leftovers (MWC, AAC, BYU) to form a new conference or just continue with the name BIG XII? Cool post - lets check back on in 10 years & revisit this topic................ |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 1, 2015 19:48:12 GMT -8
Hypothetical... Who would be left over if Texas and Oklahoma depart for other P5's? And who would be the best additions to the BIG XII leftovers (MWC, AAC, BYU) to form a new conference or just continue with the name BIG XII? Cool post - lets check back on in 10 years & revisit this topic................ Sounds good...  |
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 1, 2015 20:12:13 GMT -8
If I were the Big XII ... I would not be in a huge rush to make any moves, but I would be working on launching a Big12network before the ACC can get theirs off the ground. Doing so would involve UT giving up the LHN, but possibly in exchange from luring long-time targets Florida St and Clemson from the ACC. If poaching from the ACC is a no-go, my back-up adds would be UCF, USF, Cincinnati and Memphis. This would be entirely based on serviceable athletic teams, but more about their markets, recruiting and travel partners.
Big-14
South: TTU, UT, Baylor, TCU, Memphis, USF & UCF
North: OU, OSU, KS, KSU, ISU, WVU & Cincinnati
My assumption is that the prime targets in the B12 are Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas and of course Texas -- assuming that the B1G and SEC are going to 16, they each have room for 2 more schools -- how that all would shake out I really don't know, it would depend on who expands first and what schools besides those 4 are on the table (like any ACC schools) for instance, the B1G could go after Kansas and Syracuse -- leaving the ACC with 13 full members & Notre Dame. If they could convince ND into full membership, would they then add WVU & UConn for 16 members? If the SEC chose first, would they take Texas and Oklahoma? If the Pac-12 went first, would they go after that same quartet of UT, OU, OSU & TTU?
If I were the MWC, I'd rather see the B12 picked apart by the P4. The remainder of the B12 could try to cobble together some kind of National Conference, but I don't think they'd have the cache. The MWC should focus on picking up TCU & Baylor as the two schools in the B12 that seem to be left out of every P4 scenario. We should grab them before the AAC could make a move on them -- after that the best adds would depend on who is left to choose from -- my choices would be Texas Tech (3rd school in TX and close to UNM) BYU, Kansas St then Oklahoma St. That would give the MWC as many as 3 teams in Texas and solid final team in BYU, KSU or OSU. I would be willing to cede Iowa St, Kansas St and Oklahoma St to the AAC if we could add the 3 Texas Schools and BYU.
North: SJSU, Nevada, BYU, USU, AFA, CSU, WYO & Boise St
South: Hawaii, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, UNM, TTU, TCU & Baylor
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West: SDSU, Fresno St, SJSU, Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St & BYU
East: Boise St, Wyoming, AFA, CSU, UNM, TTU, TCU & Baylor
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 1, 2015 20:42:25 GMT -8
If I were the Big XII ... I would not be in a huge rush to make any moves, but I would be working on launching a Big12network before the ACC can get theirs off the ground. Doing so would involve UT giving up the LHN, but possibly in exchange from luring long-time targets Florida St and Clemson from the ACC. If poaching from the ACC is a no-go, my back-up adds would be UCF, USF, Cincinnati and Memphis. This would be entirely based on serviceable athletic teams, but more about their markets, recruiting and travel partners. Big-14 South: TTU, UT, Baylor, TCU, Memphis, USF & UCF North: OU, OSU, KS, KSU, ISU, WVU & Cincinnati My assumption is that the prime targets in the B12 are Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas and of course Texas -- assuming that the B1G and SEC are going to 16, they each have room for 2 more schools -- how that all would shake out I really don't know, it would depend on who expands first and what schools besides those 4 are on the table (like any ACC schools) for instance, the B1G could go after Kansas and Syracuse -- leaving the ACC with 13 full members & Notre Dame. If they could convince ND into full membership, would they then add WVU & UConn for 16 members? If the SEC chose first, would they take Texas and Oklahoma? If the Pac-12 went first, would they go after that same quartet of UT, OU, OSU & TTU? If I were the MWC, I'd rather see the B12 picked apart by the P4. The remainder of the B12 could try to cobble together some kind of National Conference, but I don't think they'd have the cache. The MWC should focus on picking up TCU & Baylor as the two schools in the B12 that seem to be left out of every P4 scenario. We should grab them before the AAC could make a move on them -- after that the best adds would depend on who is left to choose from -- my choices would be Texas Tech (3rd school in TX and close to UNM) BYU, Kansas St then Oklahoma St. That would give the MWC as many as 3 teams in Texas and solid final team in BYU, KSU or OSU. I would be willing to cede Iowa St, Kansas St and Oklahoma St to the AAC if we could add the 3 Texas Schools and BYU. North: SJSU, Nevada, BYU, USU, AFA, CSU, WYO & Boise St South: Hawaii, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, UNM, TTU, TCU & Baylor or West: SDSU, Fresno St, SJSU, Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St & BYU East: Boise St, Wyoming, AFA, CSU, UNM, TTU, TCU & Baylor I like that North/South scenario. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 2, 2015 23:41:05 GMT -8
Oh great, more conference membership speculation. People on this board will devote at least 4 threads this month on this or other related topics on how SDSU can backdoor their way into a better conference.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 3, 2015 6:26:01 GMT -8
Oh great, more conference membership speculation. People on this board will devote at least 4 threads this month on this or other related topics on how SDSU can backdoor their way into a better conference. ...offseason When the season starts AztecMesa will continue its regular scheduled programming of armchair coaches & quarterbacks complaining about players and coaches. |
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jul 3, 2015 8:31:48 GMT -8
If the Big XII does implode...here is the situation:
There will be 4 conferences - today with a total of 54 current football members (55 other sports members - as Notre Dame still plays as a football independent).
More than likely...eventually there will be a complete college realignment with 4 regional conferences consisting of 16 schools broken into 2 divisions (64 teams in total). This will essentially mean that there will be an 8-team playoff - including conference championship games.
With this scenario...there will be 9 schools added during realignment bringing the total to 64 teams...vying for those coveted nine slots include members of the former Big XII conference as well as other possible contenders...in addition...there may be schools currently in one of the remaining P5 schools that will not be included into this new system (perhaps a school like Northwestern or Washington State).
There is strong probability that SDSU will not be included in the 64 team realignment when considering the strong competition for the coveted spots. Yes...we have a good argument for a slot...but so do 20-25 other schools...
It is of my opinion...that if this takes a few more seasons to play out...then time is on our side...our programs / facilities / funding are all on the rise...but still not there yet...
We need the following things to happen if we are to ever be invited to the "big boy table":
1) We must have better attendance at our football games
2) We need a 40-45K capacity on-campus stadium to call our own
3) We need to win more football games especially against P5 teams - 8 wins each season isn't going to cut it
4) We need to continue our basketball success - perhaps into E8 or F4 status
5) We need to attract even more donors into our sports foundation base.
6) We need to continue to raise our academic standards (although in the end...I think this is far down the list...as I do not believe it will help schools like Northwestern or Vandy to remain in their respective conferences)
These are the methodical things that we can do within our own power to help bring us that golden ticket to the group of 64...
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Post by standiego on Jul 3, 2015 9:57:11 GMT -8
What happens if B12 gets a team into the playoffs , gets to the championship game or wins the Championship ?
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 3, 2015 10:15:52 GMT -8
What happens if B12 gets a team into the playoffs , gets to the championship game or wins the Championship ? Nothing different. Realignment is about a long term view, not short term. Right now the B12 is less effectively positioned for the long term compared to the other P5 conferences.
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Post by standiego on Jul 3, 2015 12:17:44 GMT -8
Believe the B12 has a 5 to 10 year contract deal with the TV networks . About 240 million a year ,divided by 10 schools . Texas has said it prefers to stay in the B12 . Key for the B12 and main focus is getting team(s) in the playoffs . Getting into the Championship game and best scenario winning the Championship . Do that and you have leverage , similar to what SEC had . Producing Winning teams provides that . Is the future expanding the playoffs to 8 teams , with goal getting more teams into the mix ? Is the need to expand to get a bigger TV audience and to coaches, is it expand to places that will improve your recruiting, to get even better players ? What is most important starts with have high quality winning teams. Quality is what is important not just quantity of teams.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 3, 2015 12:22:11 GMT -8
The B12's TV deal expires the same time as the GOR provision: 2024-2025. So that's when one or more of UT, OU and KU figure to bail if they're going to.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Jul 4, 2015 5:42:22 GMT -8
It's going to be fun rooting against the Big 12. I'd love to see them left out again. I particulalry hate Baylor/Briles. The guy has no dignity- whining like he did on national TV.
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Post by obboy13 on Jul 4, 2015 9:09:05 GMT -8
I think I'm experiencing map-graphic OD.
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Post by alamobruin on Jul 4, 2015 14:30:49 GMT -8
It's going to be fun rooting against the Big 12. I'd love to see them left out again. I particulalry hate Baylor/Briles. The guy has no dignity- whining like he did on national TV. I am sure that the guy who has been pro-SDSU would appreciate your thoughts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 16:27:16 GMT -8
It's going to be fun rooting against the Big 12. I'd love to see them left out again. I particulalry hate Baylor/Briles. The guy has no dignity- whining like he did on national TV. I am sure that the guy who has been pro-SDSU would appreciate your thoughts. Note the poster's name... an SC fan. Many differing opinions on a fan board. Most probably don't reflect the adminstration's opinion. |
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Post by alamobruin on Jul 4, 2015 16:59:38 GMT -8
Duly noted.
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Post by standiego on Jul 5, 2015 11:03:16 GMT -8
As of today B12 and 10 member schools have a 240 million dollar income with TV Networks for the next 10 years , plus other income from Bowls ..... Also have fees for schools leaving the Conference .. Many polls have TCU and Baylor predicted to be in the top 5 football schools . A ten team conference has same standing as a 12 or 14 team conference .
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