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Post by junior on Sept 20, 2021 9:40:20 GMT -8
I think that might already be a done deal… at least after today’s hit piece in the UT implicating several Padres players who feel that Tingler's lost the players' confidence. Someone's gonna be sacrificed, and after this $#!+show of a season finale, it might as well be Tinkler |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 20, 2021 9:54:03 GMT -8
I think that might already be a done deal… at least after today’s hit piece in the UT implicating several Padres players who feel that Tingler's lost the players' confidence. Someone's gonna be sacrificed, and after this $#!+show of a season finale, it might as well be TinklerWould change nothing, but he's the natural scapegoat. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 10:34:15 GMT -8
I think that might already be a done deal… at least after today’s hit piece in the UT implicating several Padres players who feel that Tingler's lost the players' confidence. Someone's gonna be sacrificed, and after this $#!+show of a season finale, it might as well be TinklerFrom The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal: "Manager Jayce Tingler was ejected after Tatis struck out, trying to keep Tatis from getting tossed from a game the Padres led 2-0 and ultimately would lose, 3-2. But Tingler, the third manager hired by A.J. Preller since Preller became general manager in August 2014, is facing increased scrutiny and second-guessing in his own clubhouse, sources said. In the absence of a firmer hand, others in uniform are stepping forward, trying to keep the team on the right path. The venting Saturday night was one example, and might have played out the same way even if Tingler had not been thrown out of the game." theathletic.com/2835205/2021/09/19/inside-the-manny-machado-fernando-tatis-jr-confrontation-and-what-it-revealed-about-the-padres/?redirected=1 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 10:45:12 GMT -8
I just read the U-T piece. It was interesting.
And, it mentions Bochy! LOL
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Post by junior on Sept 20, 2021 12:34:06 GMT -8
The Padres' internal woes are all over MLB right now - definitely today's top story. And it should be. A team with an almost $200m player budget this year tanking like this? Someone's heads need examining.
Tingler's in trouble, but Preller should not be far behind. He's given you Pat Murphy (after firing Bud Black), Andy Green, Rod Barajas (after firing Andy Green), and Jayce Tingler as managers. While they're solid guys, they're not solid managers.
If the Padres end up sacking Tingler and do nothing about Preller, expect another of his lukewarm buddies in the manager's office next season.
As a result, without a change at the top, there'll really be no changes anywhere. Because it sounds more and more like there's a systemic problem in the Padres upper management driving this fiasco.
Problem is, by gutting the upper echelons, the Padres are right back to where they were before. Nowhere. And it'll take years to recover from this mess. They had such a roll going at the beginning of the season. Not just the wins but the whole picture. They were being talked about everywhere. Now, they're still being talked about - but as the losers they've become.
That's going to take time to fix, too.
That's the Padres!
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Post by aardvark on Sept 20, 2021 14:32:55 GMT -8
The Padres' internal woes are all over MLB right now - definitely today's top story. And it should be. A team with an almost $200m player budget this year tanking like this? Someone's heads need examining. Tingler's in trouble, but Preller should not be far behind. He's given you Pat Murphy (after firing Bud Black), Andy Green, Rod Barajas (after firing Andy Green), and Jayce Tingler as managers. While they're solid guys, they're not solid managers. If the Padres end up sacking Tingler and do nothing about Preller, expect another of his lukewarm buddies in the manager's office next season. As a result, without a change at the top, there'll really be no changes anywhere. Because it sounds more and more like there's a systemic problem in the Padres upper management driving this fiasco. Problem is, by gutting the upper echelons, the Padres are right back to where they were before. Nowhere. And it'll take years to recover from this mess. They had such a roll going at the beginning of the season. Not just the wins but the whole picture. They were being talked about everywhere. Now, they're still being talked about - but as the losers they've become. That's going to take time to fix, too. That's the Padres! It's doubtful Preller goes anywhere, after he signed a deal to continue as GM--and to become President of Baseball Ops--through 2026. |
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Post by junior on Sept 20, 2021 14:58:40 GMT -8
The Padres' internal woes are all over MLB right now - definitely today's top story. And it should be. A team with an almost $200m player budget this year tanking like this? Someone's heads need examining. Tingler's in trouble, but Preller should not be far behind. He's given you Pat Murphy (after firing Bud Black), Andy Green, Rod Barajas (after firing Andy Green), and Jayce Tingler as managers. While they're solid guys, they're not solid managers. If the Padres end up sacking Tingler and do nothing about Preller, expect another of his lukewarm buddies in the manager's office next season. As a result, without a change at the top, there'll really be no changes anywhere. Because it sounds more and more like there's a systemic problem in the Padres upper management driving this fiasco. Problem is, by gutting the upper echelons, the Padres are right back to where they were before. Nowhere. And it'll take years to recover from this mess. They had such a roll going at the beginning of the season. Not just the wins but the whole picture. They were being talked about everywhere. Now, they're still being talked about - but as the losers they've become. That's going to take time to fix, too. That's the Padres! It's doubtful Preller goes anywhere, after he signed a deal to continue as GM--and to become President of Baseball Ops--through 2026. Unfortunately, this may mean little will actually change. Unless he hires a crew who can clean up this mess, it’ll just continue indefinitely. |
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Post by docmm on Sept 20, 2021 15:04:43 GMT -8
I don't think Preller hires a grown-up manager until his bosses make him. I think he would feel intimidated by Bochy.
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 20, 2021 17:04:40 GMT -8
I don't think Preller hires a grown-up manager until his bosses make him. I think he would feel intimidated by Bochy. Bochy’s champion Giant teams had A FRACTION OF THE TALENT the Padres have. Imagine what he would do with this staff and lineup. Bring Flan back as the 3rd base coach and figure out why our pitchers can’t stay healthy. |
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Post by junior on Sept 21, 2021 5:28:57 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 5:59:44 GMT -8
Maybe this dugout could use a more experienced hand. I'll tell you, Prellers lucky because very few GM's get a chance to hire three managers, let alone four.
If I were Seidler, would I at least be making a behind the scenes call to Theo Epstein to gauge his interest in the Prez job? Damned right. He's incredible.
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Post by docmm on Sept 21, 2021 7:55:12 GMT -8
What are the chances the Padres win at least 5 of the remaining 13 games to finish at least at .500? If LA and SF stay close to each other, they won't be sitting anyone out and will need to win every game. Atlanta is trying to fight off Philadelphia so they won't either.
To finish under .500 after generally accepted predictions of 94-96 games would warrant even getting rid of Preller and his new contract.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 21, 2021 11:21:32 GMT -8
What are the chances the Padres win at least 5 of the remaining 13 games to finish at least at .500? If LA and SF stay close to each other, they won't be sitting anyone out and will need to win every game. Atlanta is trying to fight off Philadelphia so they won't either. To finish under .500 after generally accepted predictions of 94-96 games would warrant even getting rid of Preller and his new contract. No, it really wouldn't. Before the season, most people would have objectively seen that the amount of talent on the roster was the most in franchise history and the GM put that in place. Even on July 31st, 15 games over .500, most would have accepted that. Removing the GM is an extremely complicated endeavor with disastrous consequences. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 11:28:08 GMT -8
What are the chances the Padres win at least 5 of the remaining 13 games to finish at least at .500? If LA and SF stay close to each other, they won't be sitting anyone out and will need to win every game. Atlanta is trying to fight off Philadelphia so they won't either. To finish under .500 after generally accepted predictions of 94-96 games would warrant even getting rid of Preller and his new contract. No, it really wouldn't. Before the season, most people would have objectively seen that the amount of talent on the roster was the most in franchise history and the GM put that in place. Even on July 31st, 15 games over .500, most would have accepted that. Removing the GM is an extremely complicated endeavor with disastrous consequences. I'm in favor of keeping Preller. I could be swayed if Seidler could land Theo, who is head and shoulders above most execs ---- but I don't see that being likely. I do believe Theo got his roots in SD under Towers or Lucchino, long ago. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 21, 2021 14:06:57 GMT -8
No, it really wouldn't. Before the season, most people would have objectively seen that the amount of talent on the roster was the most in franchise history and the GM put that in place. Even on July 31st, 15 games over .500, most would have accepted that. Removing the GM is an extremely complicated endeavor with disastrous consequences. I'm in favor of keeping Preller. I could be swayed if Seidler could land Theo, who is head and shoulders above most execs ---- but I don't see that being likely. I do believe Theo got his roots in SD under Towers or Lucchino, long ago. The problem is any GM like that is going to want their people in place. |
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Post by junior on Sept 21, 2021 14:17:20 GMT -8
I'm in favor of keeping Preller. I could be swayed if Seidler could land Theo, who is head and shoulders above most execs ---- but I don't see that being likely. I do believe Theo got his roots in SD under Towers or Lucchino, long ago. The problem is any GM like that is going to want their people in place. Which would mean a wholesale change in the organization. Not that it's something that shouldn't be considered, but it'd set them back several years. Windows to winning open briefly, and the Padres already don't have many left with the current crew. This should've been one of those years. It's now 99% down the drain. |
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Post by docmm on Sept 21, 2021 15:38:38 GMT -8
Not sure why it would set the organization back that far. If the new GM put in a strong manager right away, you'd still have the present talent and maybe some better development people in the farm system.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 21, 2021 17:10:29 GMT -8
The Padres have a pretty wide open window of contention.
With Machado, Tatis locked down for forever, Cronenworth locked down for 4 years, Kim for 3, you have a lot of security in the infield.
You have your gold glove center fielder Grisham for 4 more years.
You get out from under Myers expensive contract after just one more year.
Pham is gone after this season. So you only need to get one power hitting corner bat this offseason.
Hassell is probably a year away from the bigs, which times nicely with Myers departure.
Then you also get Abrams either in the infield or outfield in a year or so.
There will be turnover in the starting rotation for sure:
Musgrove is only under contract for 1 more year, Clevinger 1 year,
Darvish 2 years, Snell 2 years, Paddack 3 years, Morejon 4 years, Weathers 5 years, Gore 6 years
We get younger in a few years, but that might be okay depending on who we resign/sign in FA, and how the younger pitchers pan out.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 22, 2021 13:03:43 GMT -8
.500 watch update:
Padres now 76-74. fewest number of games above .500 since May 8th (18-16).
5 games behind St Louis, and have to jump over the Phillies, Reds, and Cardinals for the 2nd WC.
6 games ahead of Colorado.
Elimination number is now 8.
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Post by junior on Sept 22, 2021 13:42:31 GMT -8
.500 watch update: Elimination number is now 8. This has been a very painful elimination … but there's been plenty of it. All over the mound, the outfield, the batter's box, the dugout, the clubhouse …  |
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