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Post by sdsustoner on Jul 2, 2022 3:37:34 GMT -8
To prove what, exactly? Those interactions would be logged by the individual police departments and they aren't exactly publishing them on the Internet. You're not going to find what you think you are, unfortunately. "Government officials, academic researchers and media outlets launched data-collection projects around that time to better understand the frequency of police violence and the risk factors that contribute to it. From these growing data sets come some disturbing findings. About 1,000 civilians are killed each year by law-enforcement officers in the United States. By one estimate, Black men are 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police during their lifetime1. And in another study, Black people who were fatally shot by police seemed to be twice as likely as white people to be unarmed." www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-zYou are far more likely to be pulled over by the police if you're Black. You're far more likely to be searched by a police officer if you're Black. (This is why the stop and frisk laws in New York City were ended, as they were ruled unconstitutional and targeted racial bias) YES, that's exactly my point! Black people interact with the police more often then white people, so obviously there would be a higher (proportionate) number of black deaths then white deaths. You're proving my point. The fact that more black people are dying proportionately then white people at the hands of police officers is not some modern day witch hunt by police officers intent on killing black people. Now if you want to make the claim that it's due to racial bias, then you're likely (partially) correct. But how much of that has to do with poverty? (ie. some crimes are committed at higher rates due to poverty, stealing etc) So you would also consider that some of those increases in police interactions are due to higher poverty levels ---> higher crime rates for black people... right? That's some top-notch cognitive dissonance there. That's championship level denial there So now why do Black People have more interactions with cops? Cops being racists or Black People having a higher propensity to commit crimes due to race? Your choice. Choose one |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 8:58:00 GMT -8
To prove what, exactly? Those interactions would be logged by the individual police departments and they aren't exactly publishing them on the Internet. You're not going to find what you think you are, unfortunately. "Government officials, academic researchers and media outlets launched data-collection projects around that time to better understand the frequency of police violence and the risk factors that contribute to it. From these growing data sets come some disturbing findings. About 1,000 civilians are killed each year by law-enforcement officers in the United States. By one estimate, Black men are 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police during their lifetime1. And in another study, Black people who were fatally shot by police seemed to be twice as likely as white people to be unarmed." www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-zYou are far more likely to be pulled over by the police if you're Black. You're far more likely to be searched by a police officer if you're Black. (This is why the stop and frisk laws in New York City were ended, as they were ruled unconstitutional and targeted racial bias) YES, that's exactly my point! Black people interact with the police more often then white people, so obviously there would be a higher (proportionate) number of black deaths then white deaths. You're proving my point. The fact that more black people are dying proportionately then white people at the hands of police officers is not some modern day witch hunt by police officers intent on killing black people. Now if you want to make the claim that it's due to racial bias, then you're likely (partially) correct. But how much of that has to do with poverty? (ie. some crimes are committed at higher rates due to poverty, stealing etc) So you would also consider that some of those increases in police interactions are due to higher poverty levels ---> higher crime rates for black people... right? No, I'm not proving your point. Causation doesn't equal correlation. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 2, 2022 9:12:00 GMT -8
YES, that's exactly my point! Black people interact with the police more often then white people, so obviously there would be a higher (proportionate) number of black deaths then white deaths. You're proving my point. The fact that more black people are dying proportionately then white people at the hands of police officers is not some modern day witch hunt by police officers intent on killing black people. Now if you want to make the claim that it's due to racial bias, then you're likely (partially) correct. But how much of that has to do with poverty? (ie. some crimes are committed at higher rates due to poverty, stealing etc) So you would also consider that some of those increases in police interactions are due to higher poverty levels ---> higher crime rates for black people... right? That's some top-notch cognitive dissonance there. That's championship level denial there So now why do Black People have more interactions with cops? Cops being racists or Black People having a higher propensity to commit crimes due to race? Your choice. Choose one Both. Nuance seems to be lacking in these types of discussions. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 9:19:39 GMT -8
That's some top-notch cognitive dissonance there. That's championship level denial there So now why do Black People have more interactions with cops? Cops being racists or Black People having a higher propensity to commit crimes due to race? Your choice. Choose one Both. Nuance seems to be lacking in these types of discussions. Nuance? So if a police officer pulls a Black person over or stops them for whatever reason under the sun....that's an issue of nuance? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 2, 2022 10:56:31 GMT -8
Both. Nuance seems to be lacking in these types of discussions. Nuance? So if a police officer pulls a Black person over or stops them for whatever reason under the sun....that's an issue of nuance? Do the statistics show that there's more crimes, etc, being committed in lower poverty, minority areas? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 2, 2022 11:00:23 GMT -8
It's also been said that Cops are now more reluctant than ever to shoot a person of color for fear of being prosecuted, persecuted, etc... That means that bad people can get away, or it puts the officer in a very dangerous situation.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 11:17:05 GMT -8
It's also been said that Cops are now more reluctant than ever to shoot a person of color for fear of being prosecuted, persecuted, etc... That means that bad people can get away, or it puts the officer in a very dangerous situation. Said by whom? The vast majority are never prosecuted, so I'm immediately skeptical. The rate has increased this year, slightly. If they shoot someone sixty times, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and shouldn't be able to be in law enforcement. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 11:21:35 GMT -8
It's also been said that Cops are now more reluctant than ever to shoot a person of color for fear of being prosecuted, persecuted, etc... That means that bad people can get away, or it puts the officer in a very dangerous situation. Said by whom? The vast majority are never prosecuted, so I'm immediately skeptical. The rate has increased this year, slightly. If they shoot someone sixty times, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and shouldn't be able to be in law enforcement. By vast majority, I mean 99%. Of the thousand shootings (roughly) per year, the arrest rate hovers around 1%. Seven officers since 2005 have been convicted of actual murder charges. Seven. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 2, 2022 12:46:49 GMT -8
Said by whom? The vast majority are never prosecuted, so I'm immediately skeptical. The rate has increased this year, slightly. If they shoot someone sixty times, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and shouldn't be able to be in law enforcement. By vast majority, I mean 99%. Of the thousand shootings (roughly) per year, the arrest rate hovers around 1%. Seven officers since 2005 have been convicted of actual murder charges. Seven. Testimonies/studies taken. You can see them with a little searching. Ok, seven. I would need to look at the circumstances behind it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 13:40:25 GMT -8
By vast majority, I mean 99%. Of the thousand shootings (roughly) per year, the arrest rate hovers around 1%. Seven officers since 2005 have been convicted of actual murder charges. Seven. Testimonies/studies taken. You can see them with a little searching. Ok, seven. I would need to look at the circumstances behind it. The vast majority aren't prosecuted because police protect police and not the community at large. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Jul 2, 2022 17:45:15 GMT -8
Seriously you are posting a Vox link to justify your assertion. I’d like to say that’s hilarious, sadly I have to say that’s pathetic. I guess I’ve overestimated your ability to think clearly. Ok, I give, clear thinking of a radical left agenda is not in the cards for people with a thought process greater than a double-digit IQ. I guess you didn’t go to SDSU, if so, please return your diploma. But carry on with your entertainment and foolishness. BTW I won’t click on a Vox link. I’m a pureblood, don’t need to be contaminating by leftist loons. Never mind, you will and always will be nothing, but a troll. However, you are fortunate this is clearly a far-left board starting with the owner of the board so you are protected. EDIT: If you want to protest, whine to the adims, or just be your typical radical leftist. I pretty much quoted quoted yourclone uwphoto in my reply. See, he suggested I return my diploma. Do you need more proof that this is a VERY biased board? I'm against censorship, but if Eric lived up to the standard he has suggested you would be consider a troll. Don't get me wrong troll or not in my world you are free to speak. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Jul 2, 2022 17:47:40 GMT -8
I admit I have not read every post. I was a federal law enforcement officer in the 70’s and 80’s. I served in dozens of countries and 100’s of offices in the US. Present day: Three to four times a year over the last two decades we (former LEO’s) have a scotch tasting party that consist of CIA, FBI, Secret Service, Border Patrol, Deputies, Sheriff’s and even transit cops at my property. Our stories are hilarious. Not any of us are active duty, but we all did our time, we all took our lumps. So, I’m not sure what the thought process is today, but I would think it is far less racist than it was in my service years.
I will say cops or any LEO’s are not racist and to think otherwise is just pure foolishness. There are bad LEO’s, no doubt, but they are in the 1% class.
Being a cop is the most dangerous profession on the planet. You must be 100% sharp 100% of the time constantly looking over your shoulder. There was a case yesterday. A routine traffic stop, for no plates. The vehicle stopped, but the passenger opened fire without cause or provocation. The officer survived his wound, the driver and passenger did not.
There are bad cops and the good guys want them gone more than you do.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 2, 2022 17:58:16 GMT -8
I admit I have not read every post. I was a federal law enforcement officer in the 70’s and 80’s. I served in dozens of countries and 100’s of offices in the US. Present day: Three to four times a year over the last two decades we (former LEO’s) have a scotch tasting party that consist of CIA, FBI, Secret Service, Border Patrol, Deputies, Sheriff’s and even transit cops at my property. Our stories are hilarious. Not any of us are active duty, but we all did our time, we all took our lumps. So, I’m not sure what the thought process is today, but I would think it is far less racist than it was in my service years. I will say cops or any LEO’s are not racist and to think otherwise is just pure foolishness. There are bad LEO’s, no doubt, but they are in the 1% class. Being a cop is the most dangerous profession on the planet. You must be 100% sharp 100% of the time constantly looking over your shoulder. There was a case yesterday. A routine traffic stop, for no plates. The vehicle stopped, but the passenger opened fire without cause or provocation. The officer survived his wound, the driver and passenger did not. There are bad cops and the good guys want them gone more than you do. Nothing could be more true than your last statement. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 19:39:44 GMT -8
Seriously you are posting a Vox link to justify your assertion. I’d like to say that’s hilarious, sadly I have to say that’s pathetic. I guess I’ve overestimated your ability to think clearly. Ok, I give, clear thinking of a radical left agenda is not in the cards for people with a thought process greater than a double-digit IQ. I guess you didn’t go to SDSU, if so, please return your diploma. But carry on with your entertainment and foolishness. BTW I won’t click on a Vox link. I’m a pureblood, don’t need to be contaminating by leftist loons. Never mind, you will and always will be nothing, but a troll. However, you are fortunate this is clearly a far-left board starting with the owner of the board so you are protected. EDIT: If you want to protest, whine to the adims, or just be your typical radical leftist. I pretty much quoted quoted yourclone uwphoto in my reply. See, he suggested I return my diploma. Do you need more proof that this is a VERY biased board? I'm against censorship, but if Eric lived up to the standard he has suggested you would be consider a troll. Don't get me wrong troll or not in my world you are free to speak. Lol. Protected? How'd that freedom fight go for you? Seemingly not well. Maybe you should take another trip. Clearly you're unwell. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 19:43:39 GMT -8
I admit I have not read every post. I was a federal law enforcement officer in the 70’s and 80’s. I served in dozens of countries and 100’s of offices in the US. Present day: Three to four times a year over the last two decades we (former LEO’s) have a scotch tasting party that consist of CIA, FBI, Secret Service, Border Patrol, Deputies, Sheriff’s and even transit cops at my property. Our stories are hilarious. Not any of us are active duty, but we all did our time, we all took our lumps. So, I’m not sure what the thought process is today, but I would think it is far less racist than it was in my service years. I will say cops or any LEO’s are not racist and to think otherwise is just pure foolishness. There are bad LEO’s, no doubt, but they are in the 1% class. Being a cop is the most dangerous profession on the planet. You must be 100% sharp 100% of the time constantly looking over your shoulder. There was a case yesterday. A routine traffic stop, for no plates. The vehicle stopped, but the passenger opened fire without cause or provocation. The officer survived his wound, the driver and passenger did not. There are bad cops and the good guys want them gone more than you do. Nothing could be more true than your last statement. I mean if you believe in fairy tales, sure. Law enforcement is nowhere near the most dangerous job on the planet. It's not even in the top 20 in terms of fatalities per 100,000. So there's that. I'm not sure who the "good guys" are? But I know who they aren't. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 19:46:07 GMT -8
Seriously you are posting a Vox link to justify your assertion. I’d like to say that’s hilarious, sadly I have to say that’s pathetic. I guess I’ve overestimated your ability to think clearly. Ok, I give, clear thinking of a radical left agenda is not in the cards for people with a thought process greater than a double-digit IQ. I guess you didn’t go to SDSU, if so, please return your diploma. But carry on with your entertainment and foolishness. BTW I won’t click on a Vox link. I’m a pureblood, don’t need to be contaminating by leftist loons. Never mind, you will and always will be nothing, but a troll. However, you are fortunate this is clearly a far-left board starting with the owner of the board so you are protected. EDIT: If you want to protest, whine to the adims, or just be your typical radical leftist. I pretty much quoted quoted yourclone uwphoto in my reply. See, he suggested I return my diploma. Do you need more proof that this is a VERY biased board? I'm against censorship, but if Eric lived up to the standard he has suggested you would be consider a troll. Don't get me wrong troll or not in my world you are free to speak. Lol. Protected? How'd that freedom fight go for you? Seemingly not well. Maybe you should take another trip. Clearly you're unwell. Here, since we're complaining about sources, here's another link from the radical 538. fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-its-still-so-rare-for-police-officers-to-face-legal-consequences-for-misconduct/ |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 2, 2022 19:59:15 GMT -8
Nothing could be more true than your last statement. I mean if you believe in fairy tales, sure. Law enforcement is nowhere near the most dangerous job on the planet. It's not even in the top 20 in terms of fatalities per 100,000. So there's that. I'm not sure who the "good guys" are? But I know who they aren't. What do you think the ratio is between good and bad cops? Racist ones in particular. What do you think the ratio is of employed white cops, to employed black cops? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 2, 2022 20:09:30 GMT -8
Do you believe that Police Officer Kim Potter knew it was a gun that she drew out of her holster? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 22:10:45 GMT -8
I mean if you believe in fairy tales, sure. Law enforcement is nowhere near the most dangerous job on the planet. It's not even in the top 20 in terms of fatalities per 100,000. So there's that. I'm not sure who the "good guys" are? But I know who they aren't. What do you think the ratio is between good and bad cops? Racist ones in particular. What do you think the ratio is of employed white cops, to employed black cops? Things that are unquantifiable because the police don't police themselves. Hundreds of police departments don't even share their statistics with the FBI. In terms of a ratio, I'd venture to say that there are probably 5:1 White/Black. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 2, 2022 22:17:02 GMT -8
Do you believe that Police Officer Kim Potter knew it was a gun that she drew out of her holster? Of course. They are on opposite sides of the body for a reason, this exact reason. She was an officer for 26 years. If she didn't know, then she shouldn't have been weaponized. And she'll serve 14 months in prison while Daunte Wright's family has a lifetime of grief. |
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