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Post by sdsuball on Jul 7, 2022 11:22:26 GMT -8
There was a REASON they all decided to shoot at the same time. Reasons such as: They all had to assume he had a weapon, and he turned to face them in a way that was threatening to all of them. Let's see if this all can be verified, or not. Yes, the amount was excessive. What you are failing to grasp is the slippery slope that that "reason" ultimately leads to. Step back for a second and think about it. Any police officer can just state that they thought their life was in danger to justify deadly force. Truthful? Otherwise? Does it matter? Assumptions get unarmed people killed. Assumptions allow poorly trained police officers with zero vetting to kill and escape consequences. And it's not just about Jayland Walker, it's about justice in every case that fits this exact mold. Well, do police officers need guns with lethal force? That's kind of where you are going with this discussion. And it's an important question to ask. But I think it would best be asked outside of this guilty/innocence argument about a specific case. Because none of us are inside the heads of the eight officers who shot him. So ultimately what we are doing is speculating what they were thinking in the moment. My point being also that if they all fired at the same time, that's indicative of training, not malicious intent. Do police officers need guns with lethal force? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 7, 2022 11:37:18 GMT -8
What you are failing to grasp is the slippery slope that that "reason" ultimately leads to. Step back for a second and think about it. Any police officer can just state that they thought their life was in danger to justify deadly force. Truthful? Otherwise? Does it matter? Assumptions get unarmed people killed. Assumptions allow poorly trained police officers with zero vetting to kill and escape consequences. And it's not just about Jayland Walker, it's about justice in every case that fits this exact mold. Well, do police officers need guns with lethal force? That's kind of where you are going with this discussion. And it's an important question to ask. But I think it would best be asked outside of this guilty/innocence argument about a specific case. Because none of us are inside the heads of the eight officers who shot him. So ultimately what we are doing is speculating what they were thinking in the moment. My point being also that if they all fired at the same time, that's indicative of training, not malicious intent. Do police officers need guns with lethal force? The guns are not the problem, the power that comes along with them is. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 7, 2022 11:45:59 GMT -8
Well, do police officers need guns with lethal force? That's kind of where you are going with this discussion. And it's an important question to ask. But I think it would best be asked outside of this guilty/innocence argument about a specific case. Because none of us are inside the heads of the eight officers who shot him. So ultimately what we are doing is speculating what they were thinking in the moment. My point being also that if they all fired at the same time, that's indicative of training, not malicious intent. Do police officers need guns with lethal force? The guns are not the problem, the power that comes along with them is. Sure, but Democrats would make the argument that more people die in America due to gun violence then other countries because of the high number of guns per capita in the US. You can't kill someone in seven seconds with a tazer (unless they have heart issues randomly) and it's very difficult to do in that time frame with just your hands/fists. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 7, 2022 19:46:34 GMT -8
The guns are not the problem, the power that comes along with them is. Sure, but Democrats would make the argument that more people die in America due to gun violence then other countries because of the high number of guns per capita in the US. You can't kill someone in seven seconds with a tazer (unless they have heart issues randomly) and it's very difficult to do in that time frame with just your hands/fists. It's pretty commonly accepted that police training in the US lags behind other countries. |
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Post by William L. Rupp on Jul 9, 2022 21:58:05 GMT -8
This thread has gone far enough. It's clear that, like so much of current life in the U.S.A., there are unreconcilable differences of opinion between various groups. I am sorry that I did not check out this thread sooner.
I'll go further. I am sorry I even started this thread in the first place.
WLR
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