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Post by aardvark on Jun 19, 2021 6:48:42 GMT -8
The fans in Left Field have been just absolutely brutal to Jesse Winker for the Reds. The guy is having a solid year, and they are giving him crap like, quite frankly, I don't remember hearing before. It's as if the fans (probably fortified by the beer fest tonight) took all of their a-hole pills just before the game started. Yeah, I heard them razzing him big time. I think they were calling him "Wanker"instead of Winker, etc.... He's a really good ball player. Yep. And that was tame compared to most of it. |
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Post by junior on Jun 19, 2021 13:43:31 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 19, 2021 17:19:33 GMT -8
Uh oh. Tatis hurts same shoulder. Recurring injury. Dang it.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 19, 2021 17:38:27 GMT -8
Uh oh. Tatis hurts same shoulder. Recurring injury. Dang it. It was only a matter of time. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 19, 2021 18:05:14 GMT -8
Pisses me off how Machado jogs to first base every time, and around the bases in general. He almost got thrown out on an error. Really bad look.
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Post by azteca on Jun 19, 2021 19:05:48 GMT -8
You obviously missed him flying around the bases in the game today
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2021 19:13:57 GMT -8
Pisses me off how Machado jogs to first base every time, and around the bases in general. He almost got thrown out on an error. Really bad look. You must have missed last night where he was full on sprinting to second. Guys are going to take it easy on routine plays. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 19, 2021 20:37:56 GMT -8
Pisses me off how Machado jogs to first base every time, and around the bases in general. He almost got thrown out on an error. Really bad look. You must have missed last night where he was full on sprinting to second. Guys are going to take it easy on routine plays. Ok, I'll take back the words "every time," but he dogs it A LOT of the time. It's excessive, so that's why I bring it up. There's been times where he costs us a run, or from putting himself in scoring position and it's not just every once in awhile. Sometimes he doesn't just dog it, he flat out quits and doesn't even make it to first base, or doesn't slide into second to try and break up a double play. It's a VERY bad look. He's known for that. Surprised, or maybe not, you'd stick up for him on this matter. It's well known and why some don't like him. And, I'm well aware that players will dog it at times to first base, but he does it way too much. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 19, 2021 20:39:37 GMT -8
You obviously missed him flying around the bases in the game today I took back my words "every time," but apparently you only notice the times he hustles. I'm just bringing up something that I've noticed and many others have throughout his career. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2021 20:58:49 GMT -8
You must have missed last night where he was full on sprinting to second. Guys are going to take it easy on routine plays. Ok, I'll take back the words "every time," but he dogs it A LOT of the time. It's excessive, so that's why I bring it up. There's been times where he costs us a run, or from putting himself in scoring position and it's not just every once in awhile. Sometimes he doesn't just dog it, he flat out quits and doesn't even make it to first base, or doesn't slide into second to try and break up a double play. It's a VERY bad look. He's known for that. Surprised you'd, or maybe not, stick up for him on this matter. It's well known and why some don't like him. And, I'm well aware that players will dog it at times to first base, but he does it way too much. This sounds like dogwhistling an awful lot. Accept a few things : He drives in WAY more runs than he takes away by jogging to first. He also SAVES way more runs with his defense than he takes away by jogging to first. It's well known because there is a lot of prevalent racism in baseball that targets non-white players. Imagine if Machado did what Votto did today. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 19, 2021 21:12:25 GMT -8
Ok, I'll take back the words "every time," but he dogs it A LOT of the time. It's excessive, so that's why I bring it up. There's been times where he costs us a run, or from putting himself in scoring position and it's not just every once in awhile. Sometimes he doesn't just dog it, he flat out quits and doesn't even make it to first base, or doesn't slide into second to try and break up a double play. It's a VERY bad look. He's known for that. Surprised you'd, or maybe not, stick up for him on this matter. It's well known and why some don't like him. And, I'm well aware that players will dog it at times to first base, but he does it way too much. This sounds like dogwhistling an awful lot. Accept a few things : He drives in WAY more runs than he takes away by jogging to first. He also SAVES way more runs with his defense than he takes away by jogging to first. It's well known because there is a lot of prevalent racism in baseball that targets non-white players. Imagine if Machado did what Votto did today. I'm not going where you went. I won't take the bait. It's well known because he does it excessively. I get it that he drives in a lot more runs than he gives up by dogging it, etc, but that doesn't mean it can't be brought up. I'm not going to make it more than it is. Incredible clutch double today to clear the bases, etc.. He's been hitting it on the nose as of late. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2021 22:14:26 GMT -8
This sounds like dogwhistling an awful lot. Accept a few things : He drives in WAY more runs than he takes away by jogging to first. He also SAVES way more runs with his defense than he takes away by jogging to first. It's well known because there is a lot of prevalent racism in baseball that targets non-white players. Imagine if Machado did what Votto did today. I'm not going where you went. I won't take the bait. It's well known because he does it excessively. I get it that he drives in a lot more runs than he gives up by dogging it, etc, but that doesn't mean it can't be brought up. I'm not going to make it more than it is. Incredible clutch double today to clear the bases, etc.. He's been hitting it on the nose as of late. It's not bait, it's a fact. Watch baseball around the league. Plenty of guys jog to first. Hell, you can watch Juan Soto from a few weeks ago hit a popup and never get out of the BOX. youtu.be/ESEZkj-EUkMyoutu.be/XpuLvMeIk7YHe can walk backwards to first for all I care. He hustles when it matters. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 19, 2021 22:24:34 GMT -8
I'm not going where you went. I won't take the bait. It's well known because he does it excessively. I get it that he drives in a lot more runs than he gives up by dogging it, etc, but that doesn't mean it can't be brought up. I'm not going to make it more than it is. Incredible clutch double today to clear the bases, etc.. He's been hitting it on the nose as of late. It's not bait, it's a fact. Watch baseball around the league. Plenty of guys jog to first. Hell, you can watch Juan Soto from a few weeks ago hit a popup and never get out of the BOX. youtu.be/ESEZkj-EUkMyoutu.be/XpuLvMeIk7YHe can walk backwards to first for all I care. He hustles when it matters. Like I said, I know it happens a lot, with a lot of players. I mainly care when it hurts the team and it's excessive, but I also don’t like a lack of hustle, period. You're fine with it, and that's your prerogative. I've seen him too many times also not hustling to try and beat out a double play grounder that he's hit and that's just one example of a time it matters, as well as not trying to break up a double play, etc... Google it and you'll find that Manny has a history of it, and even has apologized for it, but apparently he didn't mean it. I agree that he does much more for the team than he takes away, obviously, but if I want to point something out that bugs me, I can do that. Let's hope it doesn't happen in a really meaningful game. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 19, 2021 22:31:41 GMT -8
It's not bait, it's a fact. Watch baseball around the league. Plenty of guys jog to first. Hell, you can watch Juan Soto from a few weeks ago hit a popup and never get out of the BOX. youtu.be/ESEZkj-EUkMyoutu.be/XpuLvMeIk7YHe can walk backwards to first for all I care. He hustles when it matters. Like I said, I know it happens a lot, with a lot of players. I mainly care when it hurts the team and it's excessive, but I also don’t like a lack of hustle, period. You're fine with it, and that's your prerogative. I've seen him too many times also not hustling to try and beat out a double play grounder that he's hit and that's just one example of a time it matters, as well as not trying to break up a double play, etc... Google it and you'll find that Manny has a history of it, and even has apologized for it, but apparently he didn't mean it. I agree that he does much more for the team than he takes away, obviously, but if I want to point something out that bugs me, I can do that. Let's hope it doesn't happen in a really meaningful game. Of course he has a history of it. It's not unique to him, so I could care less. I don't need to fine arcane things to bitch about when things are going well. If you look for flaws in any player, you will find what you're looking for if you look hard enough. Machado isn't even the only guy in his infield that doesn't sprint to first base, for example. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 19, 2021 22:57:06 GMT -8
Like I said, I know it happens a lot, with a lot of players. I mainly care when it hurts the team and it's excessive, but I also don’t like a lack of hustle, period. You're fine with it, and that's your prerogative. I've seen him too many times also not hustling to try and beat out a double play grounder that he's hit and that's just one example of a time it matters, as well as not trying to break up a double play, etc... Google it and you'll find that Manny has a history of it, and even has apologized for it, but apparently he didn't mean it. I agree that he does much more for the team than he takes away, obviously, but if I want to point something out that bugs me, I can do that. Let's hope it doesn't happen in a really meaningful game. Of course he has a history of it. It's not unique to him, so I could care less. I don't need to fine arcane things to bitch about when things are going well. If you look for flaws in any player, you will find what you're looking for if you look hard enough. Machado isn't even the only guy in his infield that doesn't sprint to first base, for example. I can express what I want, bud. It just so happens that it's a lot of peoples pet peeve, when a professional doesn't hustle a lot of times. The guy even apologized for it in the past after his Manager got on him about it. Like I said, it doesn't bug you and that's fine. I'm not criticizing you for not caring about it, sheesh. It's also more noticeable when Machado doesn't hustle, because he does it not only at first base. I only archived it to verify a pattern, by the way. I don't need to FIND this flaw with Machado, because it's glaring, especially in today's game. And, I'm noticing it with him because he's on my favorite team who I watch every day. I could give a crap about other players on other teams. In the grand scheme of things, I hope it doesn't hurt us in any important games. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 20, 2021 9:36:38 GMT -8
Of course he has a history of it. It's not unique to him, so I could care less. I don't need to fine arcane things to bitch about when things are going well. If you look for flaws in any player, you will find what you're looking for if you look hard enough. Machado isn't even the only guy in his infield that doesn't sprint to first base, for example. I can express what I want, bud. It just so happens that it's a lot of peoples pet peeve, when a professional doesn't hustle a lot of times. The guy even apologized for it in the past after his Manager got on him about it. Like I said, it doesn't bug you and that's fine. I'm not criticizing you for not caring about it, sheesh. It's also more noticeable when Machado doesn't hustle, because he does it not only at first base. I only archived it to verify a pattern, by the way. I don't need to FIND this flaw with Machado, because it's glaring, especially in today's game. And, I'm noticing it with him because he's on my favorite team who I watch every day. I could give a crap about other players on other teams. In the grand scheme of things, I hope it doesn't hurt us in any important games. If you had any kind of self-awareness here, you'd realize the overarching theme in this narrative. It's a lot of white people's pet peeve because they are used to the "old school" game where guys don't jog to first on routine grounders they have no chance to beat. Bob Brenly would be proud, you know? Where else does Manny not hustle by the way? When he nearly caught a flyball on the WARNING TRACK? When he made a play in the shift two games ago from near the right field foul line to throw a runner out at first? He's had both knees surgically reconstructed and has had multiple injuries this season that he's had to play through. He's more valuable in the lineup and in the field than he is on the bench nursing a hamstring/quad/whatever else because he "hustled." Just one example, of when it actually matters...in the playoffs. |
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Post by azteca on Jun 20, 2021 10:02:03 GMT -8
I can express what I want, bud. It just so happens that it's a lot of peoples pet peeve, when a professional doesn't hustle a lot of times. The guy even apologized for it in the past after his Manager got on him about it. Like I said, it doesn't bug you and that's fine. I'm not criticizing you for not caring about it, sheesh. It's also more noticeable when Machado doesn't hustle, because he does it not only at first base. I only archived it to verify a pattern, by the way. I don't need to FIND this flaw with Machado, because it's glaring, especially in today's game. And, I'm noticing it with him because he's on my favorite team who I watch every day. I could give a crap about other players on other teams. In the grand scheme of things, I hope it doesn't hurt us in any important games. If you had any kind of self-awareness here, you'd realize the overarching theme in this narrative. It's a lot of white people's pet peeve because they are used to the "old school" game where guys don't jog to first on routine grounders they have no chance to beat. Bob Brenly would be proud, you know? Where else does Manny not hustle by the way? When he nearly caught a flyball on the WARNING TRACK? When he made a play in the shift two games ago from near the right field foul line to throw a runner out at first? He's had both knees surgically reconstructed and has had multiple injuries this season that he's had to play through. He's more valuable in the lineup and in the field than he is on the bench nursing a hamstring/quad/whatever else because he "hustled." Just one example, of when it actually matters...in the playoffs. Please , Ryan, don’t bring race into this. It has nothing to do with that.!! |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 20, 2021 10:26:43 GMT -8
If you had any kind of self-awareness here, you'd realize the overarching theme in this narrative. It's a lot of white people's pet peeve because they are used to the "old school" game where guys don't jog to first on routine grounders they have no chance to beat. Bob Brenly would be proud, you know? Where else does Manny not hustle by the way? When he nearly caught a flyball on the WARNING TRACK? When he made a play in the shift two games ago from near the right field foul line to throw a runner out at first? He's had both knees surgically reconstructed and has had multiple injuries this season that he's had to play through. He's more valuable in the lineup and in the field than he is on the bench nursing a hamstring/quad/whatever else because he "hustled." Just one example, of when it actually matters...in the playoffs. Please , Ryan, don’t bring race into this. It has nothing to do with that.!! Exactly, but he can't help himself. It's the risk you take of interacting with Ryan. He can have a tendency to blow up a thread. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 20, 2021 10:32:01 GMT -8
I can express what I want, bud. It just so happens that it's a lot of peoples pet peeve, when a professional doesn't hustle a lot of times. The guy even apologized for it in the past after his Manager got on him about it. Like I said, it doesn't bug you and that's fine. I'm not criticizing you for not caring about it, sheesh. It's also more noticeable when Machado doesn't hustle, because he does it not only at first base. I only archived it to verify a pattern, by the way. I don't need to FIND this flaw with Machado, because it's glaring, especially in today's game. And, I'm noticing it with him because he's on my favorite team who I watch every day. I could give a crap about other players on other teams. In the grand scheme of things, I hope it doesn't hurt us in any important games. If you had any kind of self-awareness here, you'd realize the overarching theme in this narrative. It's a lot of white people's pet peeve because they are used to the "old school" game where guys don't jog to first on routine grounders they have no chance to beat. Bob Brenly would be proud, you know? Where else does Manny not hustle by the way? When he nearly caught a flyball on the WARNING TRACK? When he made a play in the shift two games ago from near the right field foul line to throw a runner out at first? He's had both knees surgically reconstructed and has had multiple injuries this season that he's had to play through. He's more valuable in the lineup and in the field than he is on the bench nursing a hamstring/quad/whatever else because he "hustled." Just one example, of when it actually matters...in the playoffs. When he doesn't even give it a slight try to break up a double play. He basically jogs to second and then gets out of the way of the throw, On a single from another player, he dogs it to second when he could be on third possibly, to name a few. Of course he hustles, only when he wants to. Again, another bad attempt at race baiting where it has zero relevance to me here, but only in your head. Angry much? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 20, 2021 12:29:55 GMT -8
If you had any kind of self-awareness here, you'd realize the overarching theme in this narrative. It's a lot of white people's pet peeve because they are used to the "old school" game where guys don't jog to first on routine grounders they have no chance to beat. Bob Brenly would be proud, you know? Where else does Manny not hustle by the way? When he nearly caught a flyball on the WARNING TRACK? When he made a play in the shift two games ago from near the right field foul line to throw a runner out at first? He's had both knees surgically reconstructed and has had multiple injuries this season that he's had to play through. He's more valuable in the lineup and in the field than he is on the bench nursing a hamstring/quad/whatever else because he "hustled." Just one example, of when it actually matters...in the playoffs. When he doesn't even give it a slight try to break up a double play. He basically jogs to second and then gets out of the way of the throw, On a single from another player, he dogs it to second when he could be on third possibly, to name a few. Of course he hustles, only when he wants to. Again, another bad attempt at race baiting where it has zero relevance to me here, but only in your head. Angry much? It's not race baiting. It's the truth. Unfortunately, this is a narrative directed at a lot of players with the wrong skin color. That's a reality, not unique to Manny in the slightest. Your takes reek of "angry white guy" because I see them plastered all over social media. Not unique, either. Do I wish he would give max effort on every play? Sure. Does anyone in baseball? No. With the huge uptick in injuries this season, specifically soft tissue injuries, he's needed on the field. |
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