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May 29, 2021 10:43:46 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 29, 2021 10:43:46 GMT -8
You're wrong, John. I'm sorry, but you're just incorrect here in this instance. I think we can shut this thread down, after another base hit, plus a home run and two walks. Pham in May has nearly a .400 OBP. It's almost like he just needed a little time. Imagine that. Couldn't agree more! I'm sure Tingler had no issue with Pham's aggressiveness on the base paths and definitely not with how Pham has played all year. The balls that were hit at guys in April are finally finding the holes, as we (at least some of us) knew they eventually would. Now if we could get Grisham back and Myers hitting our OF would be complete. Couldn't disagree more!!! It was a boneheaded base running decision by Pham in THAT situation, and I'm SURE Tingler was not happy at all that Pham took away an RBI opportunity for Tatis or Hosmer. But, Pham sure is more than making up for it with his hitting and his patience at the plate.
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Post by junior on May 29, 2021 11:55:32 GMT -8
Pham is a FA at the end of the season, right? So I guess we'll see how much MLB values his skills when it comes time to talk turkey. Unless, of course, he gets dealt away before then… The last week has been good for him. Time will tell if he can maintain the current hot streak, or if opponents' eventual adjustments create a mean regression.
And as far as "shutting down" any thread, who elected anyone here to be thread judge? Those with a personal disinterest in the discussion can always vote with their feet.
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May 29, 2021 12:45:52 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 29, 2021 12:45:52 GMT -8
Pham is a FA at the end of the season, right? So I guess we'll see how much MLB values his skills when it comes time to talk turkey. Unless, of course, he gets dealt away before then… The last week has been good for him. Time will tell if he can maintain the current hot streak, or if opponents' eventual adjustments create a mean regression. And as far as "shutting down" any thread, who elected anyone here to be thread judge? Those with a personal disinterest in the discussion can always vote with their feet. Ditto. Big time.
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May 29, 2021 14:11:17 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 29, 2021 14:11:17 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more! I'm sure Tingler had no issue with Pham's aggressiveness on the base paths and definitely not with how Pham has played all year. The balls that were hit at guys in April are finally finding the holes, as we (at least some of us) knew they eventually would. Now if we could get Grisham back and Myers hitting our OF would be complete. Couldn't disagree more!!! It was a boneheaded base running decision by Pham in THAT situation, and I'm SURE Tingler was not happy at all that Pham took away an RBI opportunity for Tatis or Hosmer. But, Pham sure is more than making up for it with his hitting and his patience at the plate. Agree to disagree re: Tingler, big time. We'll never know without asking him but he's shown he's all about being aggressive on the base paths, especially when it can improve you're situation significantly (which a successful steal would have).
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May 29, 2021 15:07:56 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 29, 2021 15:07:56 GMT -8
Pham is a FA at the end of the season, right? So I guess we'll see how much MLB values his skills when it comes time to talk turkey. Unless, of course, he gets dealt away before then… The last week has been good for him. Time will tell if he can maintain the current hot streak, or if opponents' eventual adjustments create a mean regression. And as far as "shutting down" any thread, who elected anyone here to be thread judge? Those with a personal disinterest in the discussion can always vote with their feet. I mean the only reason this thread existed was because people thought he sucked in April and were convinced they could microanalyze every single mistake he makes. It was just a figure of speech, though.
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Pham
May 29, 2021 15:08:46 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 29, 2021 15:08:46 GMT -8
Couldn't disagree more!!! It was a boneheaded base running decision by Pham in THAT situation, and I'm SURE Tingler was not happy at all that Pham took away an RBI opportunity for Tatis or Hosmer. But, Pham sure is more than making up for it with his hitting and his patience at the plate. Agree to disagree re: Tingler, big time. We'll never know without asking him but he's shown he's all about being aggressive on the base paths, especially when it can improve you're situation significantly (which a successful steal would have). New school versus old school mentality. Game has absolutely moved beyond silly stuff like this. Hosmer still had an RBI situation.
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May 29, 2021 16:16:54 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 29, 2021 16:16:54 GMT -8
Agree to disagree re: Tingler, big time. We'll never know without asking him but he's shown he's all about being aggressive on the base paths, especially when it can improve you're situation significantly (which a successful steal would have). New school versus old school mentality. Game has absolutely moved beyond silly stuff like this. Hosmer still had an RBI situation. Lol. That's hilarious of you trying to use the old school, versus new school mentality card. A mistake is a mistake, and that type of mistake will NEVER change. You have a top 5 player at bat and you're cool with him getting picked off while he's in scoring position. Okay......
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May 29, 2021 16:47:21 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 29, 2021 16:47:21 GMT -8
New school versus old school mentality. Game has absolutely moved beyond silly stuff like this. Hosmer still had an RBI situation. Lol. That's hilarious of you trying to use the old school, versus new school mentality card. A mistake is a mistake, and that type of mistake will NEVER change. You have a top 5 player at bat and you're cool with him getting picked off while he's in scoring position. Okay...... I'm fine with aggression because we lead the majors in stolen bases and extra bases taken, and that's a massive part of the reason why we are in first place with the best record in baseball, despite having a severely below average offensive profile. Bigger picture perspective beyond one "mistake" when the outcome likely would have been the same. Can't dwell on it.
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Pham
May 29, 2021 16:53:56 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 29, 2021 16:53:56 GMT -8
Lol. That's hilarious of you trying to use the old school, versus new school mentality card. A mistake is a mistake, and that type of mistake will NEVER change. You have a top 5 player at bat and you're cool with him getting picked off while he's in scoring position. Okay...... I'm fine with aggression because we lead the majors in stolen bases and extra bases taken, and that's a massive part of the reason why we are in first place with the best record in baseball, despite having a severely below average offensive profile. I'm fine with aggression too, and get it that it's part of who they are, but not in that situation. I'm absolutely done with this. Nothing more can be said. It's going in circles.
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May 29, 2021 19:14:55 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 29, 2021 19:14:55 GMT -8
I'm fine with aggression because we lead the majors in stolen bases and extra bases taken, and that's a massive part of the reason why we are in first place with the best record in baseball, despite having a severely below average offensive profile. I'm fine with aggression too, and get it that it's part of who they are, but not in that situation. I'm absolutely done with this. Nothing more can be said. It's going in circles. Focus on what matters - Like today's win.
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Pham
May 29, 2021 19:41:13 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 29, 2021 19:41:13 GMT -8
I'm fine with aggression too, and get it that it's part of who they are, but not in that situation. I'm absolutely done with this. Nothing more can be said. It's going in circles. Focus on what matters - Like today's win. That's hilarious!!! Look in the mirror. Ditto.
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May 29, 2021 21:20:28 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on May 29, 2021 21:20:28 GMT -8
I'm fine with aggression because we lead the majors in stolen bases and extra bases taken, and that's a massive part of the reason why we are in first place with the best record in baseball, despite having a severely below average offensive profile. I'm fine with aggression too, and get it that it's part of who they are, but not in that situation. I'm absolutely done with this. Nothing more can be said. It's going in circles. I think that you two are going in circles because you are arguing about different things: 1. Pham made a baserunning mistake - he was called out. Hindsight is 20/20 2. When players have the organizational mindset of taking extra bases, they are going to make more mistakes because they are going to take more chances. I think that it's also important to remember that sometimes the difference between a mistake and a good play is a perfectly fielded ball + perfect throw + perfect tag, vs. the defense not making the perfect play. So also, more extra bases taken = more mistakes.
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Pham
May 29, 2021 21:27:50 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 29, 2021 21:27:50 GMT -8
I'm fine with aggression too, and get it that it's part of who they are, but not in that situation. I'm absolutely done with this. Nothing more can be said. It's going in circles. I think that you two are going in circles because you are arguing about different things: 1. Pham made a baserunning mistake - he was called out. Hindsight is 20/20 2. When players have the organizational mindset of taking extra bases, they are going to make more mistakes because they are going to take more chances. I think that it's also important to remember that sometimes the difference between a mistake and a good play is a perfectly fielded ball + perfect throw + perfect tag, vs. the defense not making the perfect play. So also, more extra bases taken = more mistakes. Ding ding ding. Winner. The Padres will run into outs (Hosmer being sent home a few innings later, for example) on occasion because that's the nature of the game. You don't turn that off.
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Pham
May 29, 2021 22:37:37 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 29, 2021 22:37:37 GMT -8
I'm fine with aggression too, and get it that it's part of who they are, but not in that situation. I'm absolutely done with this. Nothing more can be said. It's going in circles. I think that you two are going in circles because you are arguing about different things: 1. Pham made a baserunning mistake - he was called out. Hindsight is 20/20 2. When players have the organizational mindset of taking extra bases, they are going to make more mistakes because they are going to take more chances. I think that it's also important to remember that sometimes the difference between a mistake and a good play is a perfectly fielded ball + perfect throw + perfect tag, vs. the defense not making the perfect play. So also, more extra bases taken = more mistakes. Good points, but the difference is the runner needs to recognize who's at the plate, what the situation is, and know when to be smart and turn off the unnecessary aggressiveness at the right time. That would be called a smart, good base runner. He failed to do that in this instance. He wasn't being smart there. He got PICKED OFF. Sure, mistakes can happen, but you don't want to run yourself out of scoring position with the top baseball player in MLB at the plate. With a player lower in the order, sure that's more understandable, but not with Tatis up. There's a GREAT chance he gets a hit there. He doesn't need Pham's help, since Tatis is more than capable of driving you in from second base. Maybe with a Caratini type, but not Tatis. Look at what happened, he got picked off while in scoring position with Tatis up. There's no defending that, unless someone's trying to cover for his mistake. He simply wasn't smart there, and paid for it.
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Pham
May 29, 2021 22:43:58 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 29, 2021 22:43:58 GMT -8
Unbelievable comeback for the second night in a row. The Padreshave the IT factor this year, and it's great to know that they're never out of the game. Don't leave the stadium, or turn your TV's and radios off with these boys until the final out's called this year!!!
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Pham
May 30, 2021 8:33:25 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2021 8:33:25 GMT -8
I think that you two are going in circles because you are arguing about different things: 1. Pham made a baserunning mistake - he was called out. Hindsight is 20/20 2. When players have the organizational mindset of taking extra bases, they are going to make more mistakes because they are going to take more chances. I think that it's also important to remember that sometimes the difference between a mistake and a good play is a perfectly fielded ball + perfect throw + perfect tag, vs. the defense not making the perfect play. So also, more extra bases taken = more mistakes. Good points, but the difference is the runner needs to recognize who's at the plate, what the situation is, and know when to be smart and turn off the unnecessary aggressiveness at the right time. That would be called a smart, good base runner. He failed to do that in this instance. He wasn't being smart there. He got PICKED OFF. Sure, mistakes can happen, but you don't want to run yourself out of scoring position with the top baseball player in MLB at the plate. With a player lower in the order, sure that's more understandable, but not with Tatis up. There's a GREAT chance he gets a hit there. He doesn't need Pham's help, since Tatis is more than capable of driving you in from second base. Maybe with a Caratini type, but not Tatis. Look at what happened, he got picked off while in scoring position with Tatis up. There's no defending that, unless someone's trying to cover for his mistake. He simply wasn't smart there, and paid for it. I admire the consistency, even if I disagree with the assumptions being made.
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Pham
May 30, 2021 8:35:49 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 30, 2021 8:35:49 GMT -8
Good points, but the difference is the runner needs to recognize who's at the plate, what the situation is, and know when to be smart and turn off the unnecessary aggressiveness at the right time. That would be called a smart, good base runner. He failed to do that in this instance. He wasn't being smart there. He got PICKED OFF. Sure, mistakes can happen, but you don't want to run yourself out of scoring position with the top baseball player in MLB at the plate. With a player lower in the order, sure that's more understandable, but not with Tatis up. There's a GREAT chance he gets a hit there. He doesn't need Pham's help, since Tatis is more than capable of driving you in from second base. Maybe with a Caratini type, but not Tatis. Look at what happened, he got picked off while in scoring position with Tatis up. There's no defending that, unless someone's trying to cover for his mistake. He simply wasn't smart there, and paid for it. I admire the consistency, even if I disagree with the assumptions being made. Thanks. When it's the truth it's easy. To each his own.
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May 30, 2021 8:47:49 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 30, 2021 8:47:49 GMT -8
I think that you two are going in circles because you are arguing about different things: 1. Pham made a baserunning mistake - he was called out. Hindsight is 20/20 2. When players have the organizational mindset of taking extra bases, they are going to make more mistakes because they are going to take more chances. I think that it's also important to remember that sometimes the difference between a mistake and a good play is a perfectly fielded ball + perfect throw + perfect tag, vs. the defense not making the perfect play. So also, more extra bases taken = more mistakes. Good points, but the difference is the runner needs to recognize who's at the plate, what the situation is, and know when to be smart and turn off the unnecessary aggressiveness at the right time. That would be called a smart, good base runner. He failed to do that in this instance. He wasn't being smart there. He got PICKED OFF. Sure, mistakes can happen, but you don't want to run yourself out of scoring position with the top baseball player in MLB at the plate. With a player lower in the order, sure that's more understandable, but not with Tatis up. There's a GREAT chance he gets a hit there. He doesn't need Pham's help, since Tatis is more than capable of driving you in from second base. Maybe with a Caratini type, but not Tatis. Look at what happened, he got picked off while in scoring position with Tatis up. There's no defending that, unless someone's trying to cover for his mistake. He simply wasn't smart there, and paid for it. Tatis is in a much better RBI position with a runner on 3rd and 1 out than on 2nd base. He's proven to be effective hitting sac flies lately. Being on 3rd with 1 out, which was the objective, is a better situation with ANYONE at the plate. Aggressive teams will look to get in that position. He got picked off because he wanted to get a great jump just a little too early. It happens.
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Pham
May 30, 2021 8:59:15 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 30, 2021 8:59:15 GMT -8
Good points, but the difference is the runner needs to recognize who's at the plate, what the situation is, and know when to be smart and turn off the unnecessary aggressiveness at the right time. That would be called a smart, good base runner. He failed to do that in this instance. He wasn't being smart there. He got PICKED OFF. Sure, mistakes can happen, but you don't want to run yourself out of scoring position with the top baseball player in MLB at the plate. With a player lower in the order, sure that's more understandable, but not with Tatis up. There's a GREAT chance he gets a hit there. He doesn't need Pham's help, since Tatis is more than capable of driving you in from second base. Maybe with a Caratini type, but not Tatis. Look at what happened, he got picked off while in scoring position with Tatis up. There's no defending that, unless someone's trying to cover for his mistake. He simply wasn't smart there, and paid for it. Tatis is in a much better RBI position with a runner on 3rd and 1 out than on 2nd base. He's proven to be effective hitting sac flies lately. Being on 3rd with 1 out, which was the objective, is a better situation with ANYONE at the plate. Aggressive teams will look to get in that position. He got picked off because he wanted to get a great jump just a little too early. It happens. You don't take that chance with a hitter like that up there. Look at what happened, he got picked off. You choose to say, ah, it happens, I don't in that situation. If it happens with a Caratini, or someone down in the order it's a little more forgivable since they're less likely to get a hit there. You give Tatis every chance to drive you in and don't risk a scoring opportunity with his bat. There's no need to be that aggressive there with him at the plate. Padres and Pham are kicking butt. I'm moving on from this.
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May 30, 2021 9:26:31 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 30, 2021 9:26:31 GMT -8
I admire the consistency, even if I disagree with the assumptions being made. Thanks. When it's the truth it's easy. To each his own. The "truth" is not as cut and dry, when you ignore variables that obviously matter. Again, old school kind of thinking versus what the Padres are doing in a game that has become devoid of running. Coug is correct because he's not using "well, look what happened" as a line of rationale. The odds are very high that the Brewers would have just pitched around Tatis, if Pham remains on second. Have to give context to the entire situation. And yeah, let's all move on because this is silly nitpicking over a random situation that doesn't matter over the course of 162 games.
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