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Post by azteca on Apr 6, 2021 14:02:25 GMT -8
How long a leash do they have in leaving Pham in the lineup? I would guess until Gresham is ready to go. His bat is very disappointing at this point!
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Post by junior on Apr 7, 2021 16:48:48 GMT -8
Probably could use a pole dancer or two in the dugout to help keep him focused. LOL
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 7, 2021 16:50:13 GMT -8
Never been a Pham fan. Can't wait to get Grisham back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 7:54:22 GMT -8
Geez...so soon guys? LOL Pham is a good ballplayer.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 9, 2021 8:22:25 GMT -8
Geez...so soon guys? LOL Pham is a good ballplayer. For me, it's not just about the start of this year only. He's way too inconsistent. Good bench guy and spot starter. Maybe, a number 8 hitter at best.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 9, 2021 20:31:01 GMT -8
Geez...so soon guys? LOL Pham is a good ballplayer. For me, it's not just about the start of this year only. He's way too inconsistent. Good bench guy and spot starter. Maybe, a number 8 hitter at best. Lol.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 9, 2021 21:36:31 GMT -8
For me, it's not just about the start of this year only. He's way too inconsistent. Good bench guy and spot starter. Maybe, a number 8 hitter at best. Lol. I happen to not be laughing since I love the Padres, but I hope he produces soon at the plate. He hasn't done much dating back to last year, and doesn't look comfortable while trying to do it. Pressing. I think he's where he should be, at best, hitting in the 7 spot, until he hopefully turns it around.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 10, 2021 8:09:20 GMT -8
I happen to not be laughing since I love the Padres, but I hope he produces soon at the plate. He hasn't done much dating back to last year, and doesn't look comfortable while trying to do it. Pressing. I think he's where he should be, at best, hitting in the 7 spot, until he hopefully turns it around. He didn't play in enough games last year for it to matter, or to really form a meaningful opinion due to the injuries. It's even less meaningful this year, as the team's played all of 8 games. He has a .222 BABIP, which is going to suppress his overall numbers until that levels out.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 10, 2021 10:28:02 GMT -8
I happen to not be laughing since I love the Padres, but I hope he produces soon at the plate. He hasn't done much dating back to last year, and doesn't look comfortable while trying to do it. Pressing. I think he's where he should be, at best, hitting in the 7 spot, until he hopefully turns it around. He didn't play in enough games last year for it to matter, or to really form a meaningful opinion due to the injuries. It's even less meaningful this year, as the team's played all of 8 games. He has a .222 BABIP, which is going to suppress his overall numbers until that levels out. I hope you're right, and I'm wrong. He just seems to be the same, not very good hitter, that he was last year. I'm hoping what you're saying aren't excuses for him, and he gets it together. As we all know, this is a highly production based job. We need him.
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Post by azteca on Apr 10, 2021 10:47:35 GMT -8
He didn't play in enough games last year for it to matter, or to really form a meaningful opinion due to the injuries. It's even less meaningful this year, as the team's played all of 8 games. He has a .222 BABIP, which is going to suppress his overall numbers until that levels out. I hope you're right, and I'm wrong. He just seems to be the same, not very goos hitter, that he was last year. I'm hoping what you're saying aren't excuses for him, and he gets it together. As we all know, this is a highly production based job. We need him. They certainly appear to be excuses and will be judged that way until, if and when, he starts to produce. Didn’t take any time for Grisham to step in and produce.
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Apr 10, 2021 13:22:58 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 10, 2021 13:22:58 GMT -8
I hope you're right, and I'm wrong. He just seems to be the same, not very goos hitter, that he was last year. I'm hoping what you're saying aren't excuses for him, and he gets it together. As we all know, this is a highly production based job. We need him. They certainly appear to be excuses and will be judged that way until, if and when, he starts to produce. Didn’t take any time for Grisham to step in and produce. Yeah, it's put up or shut up at some point. Love Grisham.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 10, 2021 19:35:53 GMT -8
He didn't play in enough games last year for it to matter, or to really form a meaningful opinion due to the injuries. It's even less meaningful this year, as the team's played all of 8 games. He has a .222 BABIP, which is going to suppress his overall numbers until that levels out. I hope you're right, and I'm wrong. He just seems to be the same, not very goos hitter, that he was last year. I'm hoping what you're saying aren't excuses for him, and he gets it together. As we all know, this is a highly production based job. We need him. Production isn't measured over 9 games. You have to give time for guys to stabilize, especially considering what he went through in the offseason. People need to relax.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 10, 2021 19:45:50 GMT -8
I hope you're right, and I'm wrong. He just seems to be the same, not very goos hitter, that he was last year. I'm hoping what you're saying aren't excuses for him, and he gets it together. As we all know, this is a highly production based job. We need him. Production isn't measured over 9 games. You have to give time for guys to stabilize, especially considering what he went through in the offseason. People need to relax. Like I said before, I'm talking about last year as well. I'm hoping he turns it around. And, like I said as well, we'll see if your thoughts are just excuses for him, or if it's meaningful. I'm not going nuts about it, so I don't need to relax. I'm simply giving my opinion and my observation. Let's hope he proves me wrong. He's where he should be at this point, near the bottom of the order. While he's still in the lineup, I like his speed (if he can ever get on base) and his defense is fine. Thankfully, Grisham hasn't missed a beat.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 10, 2021 20:35:35 GMT -8
Production isn't measured over 9 games. You have to give time for guys to stabilize, especially considering what he went through in the offseason. People need to relax. Like I said before, I'm talking about last year as well. I'm hoping he turns it around. And, like I said as well, we'll see if your thoughts are just excuses for him, or if it's meaningful. I'm not going nuts about it, so I don't need to relax. I'm simply giving my opinion and my observation. Let's hope he proves me wrong. He's where he should be at this point, near the bottom of the order. While he's still in the lineup, I like his speed (if he can ever get on base) and his defense is fine. Thankfully, Grisham hasn't missed a beat. Nobody is making excuses. I'm providing statistically backed context because sample size is a real thing. You're still talking about 109 at-bats last year (Not enough of a sample size considering the circumstances of last season) and he posted an OBP 100 points above his batting average. The entire point of BABIP data is that it takes a LONG time to meaningfully stabilize. Would you judge a pitcher based on three starts? Cody Bellinger hit .239 last year. He's on the IL already this year after surgery for a shoulder injury. Is he terrible, too? I'm just wondering where the line gets drawn.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 10, 2021 20:58:20 GMT -8
Like I said before, I'm talking about last year as well. I'm hoping he turns it around. And, like I said as well, we'll see if your thoughts are just excuses for him, or if it's meaningful. I'm not going nuts about it, so I don't need to relax. I'm simply giving my opinion and my observation. Let's hope he proves me wrong. He's where he should be at this point, near the bottom of the order. While he's still in the lineup, I like his speed (if he can ever get on base) and his defense is fine. Thankfully, Grisham hasn't missed a beat. Nobody is making excuses. I'm providing statistically backed context because sample size is a real thing. You're still talking about 109 at-bats last year (Not enough of a sample size considering the circumstances of last season) and he posted an OBP 100 points above his batting average. The entire point of BABIP data is that it takes a LONG time to meaningfully stabilize. Would you judge a pitcher based on three starts? Cody Bellinger hit .239 last year. He's on the IL already this year after surgery for a shoulder injury. Is he terrible, too? I'm just wondering where the line gets drawn. I would never compare Bellinger to Pham. Let's hope he pulls out of it and produces. He doesn't look good at the plate dating from last year. I'm not the only one noticing this. I'm not relishing in this, but it's put up or shut up at some point. Hopefully the pressures off a bit by batting down in the order, although hitting into double plays doesn't help his cause. At least he's putting the bat on the ball recently. We need him.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 10, 2021 21:16:16 GMT -8
Nobody is making excuses. I'm providing statistically backed context because sample size is a real thing. You're still talking about 109 at-bats last year (Not enough of a sample size considering the circumstances of last season) and he posted an OBP 100 points above his batting average. The entire point of BABIP data is that it takes a LONG time to meaningfully stabilize. Would you judge a pitcher based on three starts? Cody Bellinger hit .239 last year. He's on the IL already this year after surgery for a shoulder injury. Is he terrible, too? I'm just wondering where the line gets drawn. I would never compare Bellinger to Pham. Let's hope he pulls out of it and produces. He doesn't look good at the plate dating from last year. I'm not the only one noticing this. We need him. Pham was the top WAR producing left fielder from 2017-2019 in all of baseball. He was a top 20 hitter in multiple categories over that time period. I know you aren't the only one seeing it, it's plastered over social media - That doesn't make it factual, conclusive or accurate. It means a lot of fans don't get it, unfortunately. If you took Pham's awful 2020 and extrapolated it out to a 162 game sample size he becomes a 15 home run/30 stolen base awful baseball player. Huh.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 10, 2021 22:19:11 GMT -8
Pham was the top WAR producing left fielder from 2017-2019 in all of baseball. He was a top 20 hitter in multiple categories over that time period. I know you aren't the only one seeing it, it's plastered over social media - That doesn't make it factual, conclusive or accurate. It means a lot of fans don't get it, unfortunately. If you took Pham's awful 2020 and extrapolated it out to a 162 game sample size he becomes a 15 home run/30 stolen base awful baseball player. Huh. I know all about his stats, and you can extrapolate and play the what ifs with his 2020 season all you want, but the bottom line is, he hasn't been doing very well since last season and into the start of this season. The difference is he doesn't look good at the plate right now. Also, I don't see myself as just an ordinary fan. I've played for many years at top levels, and have been around the game all my life and understand everything that you're saying, but at some point, the guy's got to produce. I've said that he's a good base runner, if he ever gets on base, but he's not doing well at the plate right now, bottom line. I hope the team is right in the end, and they're rewarded if they continue to believe in the 32 year old for a long period time, and keep giving him chances. That may be what ends up happening and what I'm hoping for. Keep him down in the order for now, and see if he comes out of it. He could be valuable down there. I'm pulling for him.
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 11, 2021 0:44:58 GMT -8
To be phair, Tommy Pham had a pretty decent postseason last year. Give him at least 200 abs before you pronounce him done.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 11, 2021 7:00:06 GMT -8
To be phair, Tommy Pham had a pretty decent postseason last year. Give him at least 200 abs before you pronounce him done. I'm not saying he's "done" and to give up on him. I'm saying he needs to start producing, and quick like. He looks like the same hitter he was last year, which wasn't very good and not what I'm sure the Padres expected. There may be reasons for it, and we'll find out if that's true. He's in the 7 hole, which is where he belongs for now, and will hopefully take the pressure off of him. By the way, I like how you put the "ph" to the word fair. Nice touch!
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 11, 2021 7:48:02 GMT -8
To be phair, Tommy Pham had a pretty decent postseason last year. Give him at least 200 abs before you pronounce him done. I'm not saying he's "done" and to give up on him. I'm saying he needs to start producing, and quick like. He looks like the same hitter he was last year, which wasn't very good and not what I'm sure the Padres expected. There may be reasons for it, and we'll find out if that's true. He's in the 7 hole, which is where he belongs for now, and will hopefully take the pressure off of him. By the way, I like how you put the "ph" to the word fair. Nice touch! "The same hitter he was last year"....He played in 20 games. 20. He came back from a broken hamate bone (an injury that is usually a death sentence for hitters) and was the best hitter on the team in the postseason. Now he's struggling after playing all of 8 games in 2021. 8. You clearly don't get this as you keep repeating the same incorrect things. Here's some more context : His hard hit rate is 53.8%. That's really, really good. His expected batting average right now is .245. (Not great, but over a hundred points higher than it is currently) - He's still working counts and seeing pitches, as evidenced by his 11% walk rate. And oh yeah, he was nearly stabbed to death in the offseason.
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