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May 28, 2021 10:21:51 GMT -8
Post by sdcoug on May 28, 2021 10:21:51 GMT -8
To be picked off 2nd you have to GET TO 2nd! Pham has scored a run in 7 straight games, reaching base 14 times during that stretch with 3 SB's. I think he's more than made up for being a little overly aggressive once. Our DNA is being aggressive. Sometimes it backfires, like it did a couple times today. It happens. It's who we are. I'd rather have him get to 2nd & be picked off than any one of several other potential outcomes. You can't defend that horrible base running blunder in any way in that particular situation. Big guns up, you play it regular, no aggression at all. Having said that, I'm definitely encouraged by his month of May and his offensive production. Disagree. It's our DNA, and getting to 3rd with 1 out allows for a flyball to score the run. Could have changed Hosmer's approach at the plate for his AB. He simply tried to "cheat" too much & got caught off 2nd, but it wasn't a bad attempt to steal in that situation. Again, it's our DNA & that's not changing. If it was 2 outs, or even 0, then you definitely do play it safe, but not with 1 out. There's a significant difference between 2nd & 3rd with 1 out.
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May 28, 2021 11:24:25 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 28, 2021 11:24:25 GMT -8
You can't defend that horrible base running blunder in any way in that particular situation. Big guns up, you play it regular, no aggression at all. Having said that, I'm definitely encouraged by his month of May and his offensive production. Disagree. It's our DNA, and getting to 3rd with 1 out allows for a flyball to score the run. Could have changed Hosmer's approach at the plate for his AB. He simply tried to "cheat" too much & got caught off 2nd, but it wasn't a bad attempt to steal in that situation. Again, it's our DNA & that's not changing. If it was 2 outs, or even 0, then you definitely do play it safe, but not with 1 out. There's a significant difference between 2nd & 3rd with 1 out. Yep, run expectancy matters. Just like the uproar from yesterday with not bunting in the top half of the tenth inning. Teams are not going to change their identity - We create a whole boatload more runs than we lose that way.
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May 28, 2021 13:45:49 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 28, 2021 13:45:49 GMT -8
You can't defend that horrible base running blunder in any way in that particular situation. Big guns up, you play it regular, no aggression at all. Having said that, I'm definitely encouraged by his month of May and his offensive production. Disagree. It's our DNA, and getting to 3rd with 1 out allows for a flyball to score the run. Could have changed Hosmer's approach at the plate for his AB. He simply tried to "cheat" too much & got caught off 2nd, but it wasn't a bad attempt to steal in that situation. Again, it's our DNA & that's not changing. If it was 2 outs, or even 0, then you definitely do play it safe, but not with 1 out. There's a significant difference between 2nd & 3rd with 1 out. Caught cheating, over aggressive, semantics. It was simply a base running blunder with the meat of the order coming up. Tatis and Hosmer have a great chance of getting a HIT, let alone a Sac. fly there, but Pham lessened our opportunities. Our DNA is to be smart in those situations, which Pham was not. He was in scoring position, with our best hitters coming up, and he didn't need to get to third as if there was an average hitter up there, and it was a desperate situation. He didn't give our studs a chance to drive him in. Pham can be looking for any reasonable opportunity to take the extra base in that situation, but he blew it by his OVER aggression. Don't let your obvious extreme need to defend Pham in obvious blunder situations, get in the way of this one. I can't believe I even gave to explain this. Sheesh
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May 28, 2021 13:54:04 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 28, 2021 13:54:04 GMT -8
Disagree. It's our DNA, and getting to 3rd with 1 out allows for a flyball to score the run. Could have changed Hosmer's approach at the plate for his AB. He simply tried to "cheat" too much & got caught off 2nd, but it wasn't a bad attempt to steal in that situation. Again, it's our DNA & that's not changing. If it was 2 outs, or even 0, then you definitely do play it safe, but not with 1 out. There's a significant difference between 2nd & 3rd with 1 out. Caught cheating, over aggressive, semantics. It was simply a base running blunder with the meat of the order coming up. Tatis and Hosmer have a great chance of getting a HIT, let alone a Sac. fly there, but Pham lessened our opportunities. Our DNA is to be smart in those situations, which Pham was not. He was in scoring position, with our best hitters coming up, and he didn't need to get to third as if there was an average hitter up there, and it was a desperate situation. He didn't give our studs a chance to drive him in. Pham can be looking for any reasonable opportunity to take the extra base in that situation, but he blew it by his OVER aggression. Don't let your obvious extreme need to defend Pham in obvious blunder situations, get in the way of this one. I can't believe I even gave to explain this. Sheesh Just like the need to attack him, right? The logic of the situation is based on a particular premise, but that assumption can't be universally applied. Whether the pitcher was more comfortable, not comfortable or otherwise, Hosmer hit a routine double play ball in either regard which would have changed nothing. Assuming a different outcome would have taken place is just trying to find fault, the other extreme. We can just as easily predict they would have walked Tatis to load the bases if Pham was still on second (same outcome) and then you end up with the same result at the end of the inning.
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May 28, 2021 14:30:24 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 28, 2021 14:30:24 GMT -8
Disagree. It's our DNA, and getting to 3rd with 1 out allows for a flyball to score the run. Could have changed Hosmer's approach at the plate for his AB. He simply tried to "cheat" too much & got caught off 2nd, but it wasn't a bad attempt to steal in that situation. Again, it's our DNA & that's not changing. If it was 2 outs, or even 0, then you definitely do play it safe, but not with 1 out. There's a significant difference between 2nd & 3rd with 1 out. Caught cheating, over aggressive, semantics. It was simply a base running blunder with the meat of the order coming up. Tatis and Hosmer have a great chance of getting a HIT, let alone a Sac. fly there, but Pham lessened our opportunities. Our DNA is to be smart in those situations, which Pham was not. He was in scoring position, with our best hitters coming up, and he didn't need to get to third as if there was an average hitter up there, and it was a desperate situation. He didn't give our studs a chance to drive him in. Pham can be looking for any reasonable opportunity to take the extra base in that situation, but he blew it by his OVER aggression. Don't let your obvious extreme need to defend Pham in obvious blunder situations, get in the way of this one. I can't believe I even gave to explain this. Sheesh You mean don't let your extreme need to trash him get in the way of you not understanding that being on 3rd is a significant improvement over being on 2nd? I can't believe anyone has to explain that to YOU? Don't for a second think you're more informed than others. You're not. Defending Pham wouldn't be necessary if some people would simply clue into what he's bringing to the table right now.
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Pham
May 28, 2021 14:32:10 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 28, 2021 14:32:10 GMT -8
Caught cheating, over aggressive, semantics. It was simply a base running blunder with the meat of the order coming up. Tatis and Hosmer have a great chance of getting a HIT, let alone a Sac. fly there, but Pham lessened our opportunities. Our DNA is to be smart in those situations, which Pham was not. He was in scoring position, with our best hitters coming up, and he didn't need to get to third as if there was an average hitter up there, and it was a desperate situation. He didn't give our studs a chance to drive him in. Pham can be looking for any reasonable opportunity to take the extra base in that situation, but he blew it by his OVER aggression. Don't let your obvious extreme need to defend Pham in obvious blunder situations, get in the way of this one. I can't believe I even gave to explain this. Sheesh Just like the need to attack him, right? The logic of the situation is based on a particular premise, but that assumption can't be universally applied. Whether the pitcher was more comfortable, not comfortable or otherwise, Hosmer hit a routine double play ball in either regard which would have changed nothing. Assuming a different outcome would have taken place is just trying to find fault, the other extreme. We can just as easily predict they would have walked Tatis to load the bases if Pham was still on second (same outcome) and then you end up with the same result at the end of the inning. I get that you want to skirt around the issue at hand of the obvious base running blunder to defend Pham at all costs, but it's a bad look. Just sayin.
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May 28, 2021 17:06:32 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 28, 2021 17:06:32 GMT -8
Just like the need to attack him, right? The logic of the situation is based on a particular premise, but that assumption can't be universally applied. Whether the pitcher was more comfortable, not comfortable or otherwise, Hosmer hit a routine double play ball in either regard which would have changed nothing. Assuming a different outcome would have taken place is just trying to find fault, the other extreme. We can just as easily predict they would have walked Tatis to load the bases if Pham was still on second (same outcome) and then you end up with the same result at the end of the inning. I get that you want to skirt around the issue at hand of the obvious base running blunder to defend Pham at all costs, but it's a bad look. Just sayin. Never said getting picked off was a good thing but when you're an aggressive team it happens. You're going to have guys get caught stealing and/or getting picked off if they cheat off the bag too much to gain an advantage. It happens. He was trying to get to 3rd with 1 out which isn't a bad thing. The outcome didn't change the inning, as has been pointed out multiple times. Had Tatis or Hosmer singled it'd be more penalizing.
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May 28, 2021 17:10:15 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 28, 2021 17:10:15 GMT -8
Nice opposite field HR Tommy!!!
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May 28, 2021 17:50:43 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 28, 2021 17:50:43 GMT -8
I get that you want to skirt around the issue at hand of the obvious base running blunder to defend Pham at all costs, but it's a bad look. Just sayin. Never said getting picked off was a good thing but when you're an aggressive team it happens. You're going to have guys get caught stealing and/or getting picked off if they cheat off the bag too much to gain an advantage. It happens. He was trying to get to 3rd with 1 out which isn't a bad thing. The outcome didn't change the inning, as has been pointed out multiple times. Had Tatis or Hosmer singled it'd be more penalizing. You have to be smart at the same time when using your aggressiveness. He didn't. If it was second base then it would be more forgivable, but not when you're in scoring position. And, what else has been stated several times is the fact that the pitcher may not have thrown the same pitches, since he would have still been under duress with a guy on second, he would've still been worried about him over there. You can't say that Tatis and Hosmer would have been pitched the same way. The outcome could have been much different if Pham wouldn't have been so aggressive, but we'll never find out. Moving on.
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May 28, 2021 19:48:22 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 28, 2021 19:48:22 GMT -8
Never said getting picked off was a good thing but when you're an aggressive team it happens. You're going to have guys get caught stealing and/or getting picked off if they cheat off the bag too much to gain an advantage. It happens. He was trying to get to 3rd with 1 out which isn't a bad thing. The outcome didn't change the inning, as has been pointed out multiple times. Had Tatis or Hosmer singled it'd be more penalizing. You have to be smart at the same time when using your aggressiveness. He didn't. If it was second base then it would be more forgivable, but not when your in scoring position. And, what else has been stated several times is the fact that the pitcher may not have thrown the same pitches, since he would have still been under duress with a guy on second, he would've still been worried about him over there. You can't say that Tatis and Hosmer would have been pitched the same way. The outcome could have been much different if Pham wouldn't have been so aggressive, but we'll never find out. Moving on. Keyword : "Could have been." That doesn't translate to "would have been." Jayce Tingler didn't mind it, I guarantee it. That's good enough, or at least it should be.
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May 28, 2021 20:11:31 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 28, 2021 20:11:31 GMT -8
You have to be smart at the same time when using your aggressiveness. He didn't. If it was second base then it would be more forgivable, but not when your in scoring position. And, what else has been stated several times is the fact that the pitcher may not have thrown the same pitches, since he would have still been under duress with a guy on second, he would've still been worried about him over there. You can't say that Tatis and Hosmer would have been pitched the same way. The outcome could have been much different if Pham wouldn't have been so aggressive, but we'll never find out. Moving on. Keyword : "Could have been." That doesn't translate to "would have been." Jayce Tingler didn't mind it, I guarantee it. That's good enough, or at least it should be. Like I said, we'll never know and that's the problem because Pham made a bad decision. Show me the quote where Tingler said he was fine with it. If he did say that, then it's most likely to cover for Pham since he's been taking a lot of heat lately. At least I would hope that would be the reason, since I don't think any Manager would want a player to take the chance that Pham did and put your team in jeopardy of getting yourself out with Tatis up and Hosmer on deck. Show me your guarantee.
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May 28, 2021 20:19:34 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 28, 2021 20:19:34 GMT -8
Keyword : "Could have been." That doesn't translate to "would have been." Jayce Tingler didn't mind it, I guarantee it. That's good enough, or at least it should be. Like I said, we'll never know and that's the problem because Pham made a bad decision. Show me the quote where Tingler said he was fine with it. If he did say that, then it's most likely to cover for Pham since he's been taking a lot of heat lately. At least I would hope that would be the reason, since I don't think any Manager would want a player to take the chance that Pham did and put your team in jeopardy of getting yourself out with Tatis up and Hosmer on deck. Show me your guarantee. Any smart, sensible manager would recognize that when you lead the majors in stolen bases and extra bases taken, you're going to have some downside to that aggression. You're harping on a silly point because of the player, not the situation. If it was Tatis, you wouldn't say anything. That's a guarantee.
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May 28, 2021 20:32:18 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 28, 2021 20:32:18 GMT -8
Like I said, we'll never know and that's the problem because Pham made a bad decision. Show me the quote where Tingler said he was fine with it. If he did say that, then it's most likely to cover for Pham since he's been taking a lot of heat lately. At least I would hope that would be the reason, since I don't think any Manager would want a player to take the chance that Pham did and put your team in jeopardy of getting yourself out with Tatis up and Hosmer on deck. Show me your guarantee. Any smart, sensible manager would recognize that when you lead the majors in stolen bases and extra bases taken, you're going to have some downside to that aggression. You're harping on a silly point because of the player, not the situation. If it was Tatis, you wouldn't say anything. That's a guarantee. Maybe not since this is a Pham thread, but I completely disagree with you that a Manager would be fine with that in THAT SITUATION. I love our aggressive nature on the base paths, but you have to be smart about it at the same time. Start a Tatis thread and I'll have no problem critiquing, or giving praise to him as well.
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May 28, 2021 20:34:50 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 28, 2021 20:34:50 GMT -8
Tommy (wham bam thank you ma'am) Pham is on a roll!!! He's hot!!!
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May 28, 2021 20:35:33 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 28, 2021 20:35:33 GMT -8
Any smart, sensible manager would recognize that when you lead the majors in stolen bases and extra bases taken, you're going to have some downside to that aggression. You're harping on a silly point because of the player, not the situation. If it was Tatis, you wouldn't say anything. That's a guarantee. Maybe not since this is a Pham thread, but I completely disagree with you that a Manager would be fine with that in THAT SITUATION. I love our aggressive nature on the base paths, but you have to be smart about it at the same time. You're wrong, John. I'm sorry, but you're just incorrect here in this instance. I think we can shut this thread down, after another base hit, plus a home run and two walks. Pham in May has nearly a .400 OBP. It's almost like he just needed a little time. Imagine that.
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May 28, 2021 20:43:06 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 28, 2021 20:43:06 GMT -8
Maybe not since this is a Pham thread, but I completely disagree with you that a Manager would be fine with that in THAT SITUATION. I love our aggressive nature on the base paths, but you have to be smart about it at the same time. You're wrong, John. I'm sorry, but you're just incorrect here in this instance. I think we can shut this thread down, after another base hit, plus a home run and two walks. Pham in May has nearly a .400 OBP. It's almost like he just needed a little time. Imagine that. Well Ryan, at the same time, I think you're wrong as well in this situation. I have my personal nickname for Pham as you can see in my above post. I'm ecstatic that he's turning it around and helping my Padres.
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Post by sdsuball on May 28, 2021 21:01:04 GMT -8
Good to see Pham have a good game tonight
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May 29, 2021 7:43:46 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 29, 2021 7:43:46 GMT -8
You're wrong, John. I'm sorry, but you're just incorrect here in this instance. I think we can shut this thread down, after another base hit, plus a home run and two walks. Pham in May has nearly a .400 OBP. It's almost like he just needed a little time. Imagine that. Well Ryan, at the same time, I think you're wrong as well in this situation. I have my personal nickname for Pham as you can see in my above post. I'm ecstatic that he's turning it around and helping my Padres. ...Okay.
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May 29, 2021 9:07:26 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 29, 2021 9:07:26 GMT -8
Maybe not since this is a Pham thread, but I completely disagree with you that a Manager would be fine with that in THAT SITUATION. I love our aggressive nature on the base paths, but you have to be smart about it at the same time. You're wrong, John. I'm sorry, but you're just incorrect here in this instance. I think we can shut this thread down, after another base hit, plus a home run and two walks. Pham in May has nearly a .400 OBP. It's almost like he just needed a little time. Imagine that. Couldn't agree more! I'm sure Tingler had no issue with Pham's aggressiveness on the base paths and definitely not with how Pham has played all year. The balls that were hit at guys in April are finally finding the holes, as we (at least some of us) knew they eventually would. Now if we could get Grisham back and Myers hitting our OF would be complete.
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May 29, 2021 9:42:32 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 29, 2021 9:42:32 GMT -8
You're wrong, John. I'm sorry, but you're just incorrect here in this instance. I think we can shut this thread down, after another base hit, plus a home run and two walks. Pham in May has nearly a .400 OBP. It's almost like he just needed a little time. Imagine that. Couldn't agree more! I'm sure Tingler had no issue with Pham's aggressiveness on the base paths and definitely not with how Pham has played all year. The balls that were hit at guys in April are finally finding the holes, as we (at least some of us) knew they eventually would. Now if we could get Grisham back and Myers hitting our OF would be complete. Grisham should be back June 1st when he's eligible to come off the IL. Wil's in a slump, but he has one of these every year. Biggest thing is we need Manny to get going and Profar to not be suboptimal.
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