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Post by aardvark on May 26, 2021 3:01:07 GMT -8
And yet...some people are promoting Pham for having a "great" month of May--which is a smaller sample size than his 37 games as a DH in his career. I'm not promoting anything - The entire premise of this thread was groomed out of a 20 game sample from last year and a slow April this year after the guy was nearly murdered in the offseason. I mean...Just trying to be a tiny bit sensible. Nearly murdered in the off-season? Guess he should stay away from strip clubs.
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Post by johneaztec on May 26, 2021 7:02:09 GMT -8
I'm not promoting anything - The entire premise of this thread was groomed out of a 20 game sample from last year and a slow April this year after the guy was nearly murdered in the offseason. I mean...Just trying to be a tiny bit sensible. Nearly murdered in the off-season? Guess he should stay away from strip clubs. Yep, your odds go way up of something not good happening in places like that.
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May 26, 2021 9:48:12 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2021 9:48:12 GMT -8
I'm not promoting anything - The entire premise of this thread was groomed out of a 20 game sample from last year and a slow April this year after the guy was nearly murdered in the offseason. I mean...Just trying to be a tiny bit sensible. Nearly murdered in the off-season? Guess he should stay away from strip clubs. Blaming the victim? Okay.
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May 26, 2021 9:49:57 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2021 9:49:57 GMT -8
Nearly murdered in the off-season? Guess he should stay away from strip clubs. Yep, your odds go way up of something not good happening in places like that. This is pretty disgusting. So if he was stabbed at a school, does that make it not his fault? An office building? The stadium? Just trying to figure out where the line is drawn from the morality police. I mean if I go out to a bar/club, I sure don't deserve to be stabbed, do I? There was a mass casualty event in San Jose this morning at a transit yard. It can happen *anywhere*. Holier than thou bull$#!+ aside, be better.
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Post by aardvark on May 26, 2021 9:58:04 GMT -8
Nearly murdered in the off-season? Guess he should stay away from strip clubs. Blaming the victim? Okay. It's ok, as he does lead the majors in that category.
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May 26, 2021 9:58:30 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2021 9:58:30 GMT -8
Blaming the victim? Okay. It's ok, as he does lead the majors in that category. Gross.
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Post by johneaztec on May 26, 2021 10:28:17 GMT -8
Yep, your odds go way up of something not good happening in places like that. This is pretty disgusting. So if he was stabbed at a school, does that make it not his fault? An office building? The stadium? Just trying to figure out where the line is drawn from the morality police. I mean if I go out to a bar/club, I sure don't deserve to be stabbed, do I? There was a mass casualty event in San Jose this morning at a transit yard. It can happen *anywhere*. Holier than thou bull$#!+ aside, be better. Wow, dramatic much? Only you can turn a fact into something waaaaay more than it is. Chill, I'm not saying it's his fault, but if you think there isn't a higher probability of something bad happening at a place of that nature, then you need to get out from under your rock. Be better.
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2021 11:22:03 GMT -8
This is pretty disgusting. So if he was stabbed at a school, does that make it not his fault? An office building? The stadium? Just trying to figure out where the line is drawn from the morality police. I mean if I go out to a bar/club, I sure don't deserve to be stabbed, do I? There was a mass casualty event in San Jose this morning at a transit yard. It can happen *anywhere*. Holier than thou bull$#!+ aside, be better. Wow, dramatic much? Only you can turn a fact into something waaaaay more than it is. Chill, I'm not saying it's his fault, but if you think there isn't a higher probability of something bad happening at a place of that nature, then you need to get out from under your rock. Be better. Dramatic? You're blaming a victim for being stabbed when he was a bystander because of a fight he wasn't involved in. What's a fact? Because a fact requires proof - And considering your MO, I'm guessing there is nothing you can illustrate to back up your assertion besides "Well, you hear about this stuff on the news..." I'll pass on the victim blaming. To be clear: What happened was not Pham's fault in ANY capacity. What players do on their own time in the offseason is up to them.
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May 26, 2021 11:33:06 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 26, 2021 11:33:06 GMT -8
Wow, dramatic much? Only you can turn a fact into something waaaaay more than it is. Chill, I'm not saying it's his fault, but if you think there isn't a higher probability of something bad happening at a place of that nature, then you need to get out from under your rock. Be better. Dramatic? You're blaming a victim for being stabbed when he was a bystander because of a fight he wasn't involved in. What's a fact? Because a fact requires proof - And considering your MO, I'm guessing there is nothing you can illustrate to back up your assertion besides "Well, you hear about this stuff on the news..." I'll pass on the victim blaming. Lol. There you go again, saying I'm BLAMING him for getting stabbed, when all I said is that your odds go up of something bad happening to you in a place like that. He didn't ask for it. I never said he deserved it, or that he was to blame. Don't put words in my mouth. It's not my fault you have tendencies to go to the extreme and go dramatic.
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2021 11:50:56 GMT -8
Dramatic? You're blaming a victim for being stabbed when he was a bystander because of a fight he wasn't involved in. What's a fact? Because a fact requires proof - And considering your MO, I'm guessing there is nothing you can illustrate to back up your assertion besides "Well, you hear about this stuff on the news..." I'll pass on the victim blaming. Lol. There you go again, saying I'm BLAMING him for getting stabbed, when all I said is that your odds go up of something bad happening to you in a place like that. He didn't ask for it. I never said he deserved it, or that he was to blame. Don't put words in my mouth. It's not my fault you have tendencies to go to the extreme and go dramatic. Realize when you say something like "Well, the odds go up at a place like that" is a form of victim blaming/shaming. Period. (Also not factually provable) You are literally making them responsible for their environment. An appropriate response would be : "Clearly it wasn't his fault and it's not my place to judge someone based on their own decisions, so I'm not going to blame circumstances outside of human control on them." That's supportive, non-critical and contextually fair. When you fail to do this, it reeks of personal bias (AKA I don't like the player based on predetermined conception) and doesn't provide much credibility to your statements. Pham takes enough grief from the fans based on his "performance"...so we don't need to do this. That doesn't seem controversial to me.
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Post by johneaztec on May 26, 2021 12:10:47 GMT -8
Lol. There you go again, saying I'm BLAMING him for getting stabbed, when all I said is that your odds go up of something bad happening to you in a place like that. He didn't ask for it. I never said he deserved it, or that he was to blame. Don't put words in my mouth. It's not my fault you have tendencies to go to the extreme and go dramatic. Realize when you say something like "Well, the odds go up at a place like that" is a form of victim blaming/shaming. Period. (Also not factually provable) You are literally making them responsible for their environment. An appropriate response would be : "Clearly it wasn't his fault and it's not my place to judge someone based on their own decisions, so I'm not going to blame circumstances outside of human control on them." That's supportive, non-critical and contextually fair. When you fail to do this, it reeks of personal bias (AKA I don't like the player based on predetermined conception) and doesn't provide much credibility to your statements. Pham takes enough grief from the fans based on his "performance"...so we don't need to do this. That doesn't seem controversial to me. No Ryan, I'm literally NOT doing anything of the nature. That's just how YOU perceive it. I guarantee you there's facts out there that show that something violent is more likely to happen to you at places of this nature and in the evening. If I have to go to an ATM machine late at night, I'm nervous because I know it's less safe than going there in the daytime. Do I really have to explain this? Sheesh. I also don't appreciate the way you're trying to make me out to be a bad person, especially when I've already said I'm not blaming him and I clarified it. You do that a lot, jump the gun to make someone feel less. Shame on you.
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May 26, 2021 14:12:25 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2021 14:12:25 GMT -8
Realize when you say something like "Well, the odds go up at a place like that" is a form of victim blaming/shaming. Period. (Also not factually provable) You are literally making them responsible for their environment. An appropriate response would be : "Clearly it wasn't his fault and it's not my place to judge someone based on their own decisions, so I'm not going to blame circumstances outside of human control on them." That's supportive, non-critical and contextually fair. When you fail to do this, it reeks of personal bias (AKA I don't like the player based on predetermined conception) and doesn't provide much credibility to your statements. Pham takes enough grief from the fans based on his "performance"...so we don't need to do this. That doesn't seem controversial to me. No Ryan, I'm literally NOT doing anything of the nature. That's just how YOU perceive it. I guarantee you there's facts out there that show that something violent is more likely to happen to you at places of this nature and in the evening. If I have to go to an ATM machine late at night, I'm nervous because I know it's less safe than going there in the daytime. Do I really have to explain this? Sheesh. I also don't appreciate the way you're trying to make me out to be a bad person, especially when I've already said I'm not blaming him and I clarified it. You do that a lot, jump the gun to make someone feel less. Shame on you. My goal isn't to make you feel like less of anything. And if words on the Internet accomplish that....that's not on me, unfortunately. Convey your position more effectively is all I can say. Pham's batting leadoff today, so let's get back to baseball.
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May 26, 2021 14:18:33 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 26, 2021 14:18:33 GMT -8
No Ryan, I'm literally NOT doing anything of the nature. That's just how YOU perceive it. I guarantee you there's facts out there that show that something violent is more likely to happen to you at places of this nature and in the evening. If I have to go to an ATM machine late at night, I'm nervous because I know it's less safe than going there in the daytime. Do I really have to explain this? Sheesh. I also don't appreciate the way you're trying to make me out to be a bad person, especially when I've already said I'm not blaming him and I clarified it. You do that a lot, jump the gun to make someone feel less. Shame on you. My goal isn't to make you feel like less of anything. And if words on the Internet accomplish that....that's not on me, unfortunately. Convey your position more effectively is all I can say. Pham's batting leadoff today, so let's get back to baseball. It's effective to 99 percent out there, so I'm good. Having said that, LET'S GO PHAM!!!
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Post by azteca on May 26, 2021 19:02:07 GMT -8
Nice game by Pham tonight. Congrats!
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2021 19:59:40 GMT -8
Nice game by Pham tonight. Congrats! He's having a good month of May and looks more comfortable at the plate. Patience and discipline helps this team grind opposing pitchers down and forces more bullpen usage, which is the weak link across baseball.
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May 26, 2021 20:28:23 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 26, 2021 20:28:23 GMT -8
When Tommy Pham is playing like the Tommy Pham we know this is what he can do. He works the count and raises the starters pitch count, gets a walk or a hit at a good clip, and causes havoc on the base paths.
Hopefully, he's turned the corner with what he's had to deal with, and keeps playing at this consistent level. We need him.
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Post by aardvark on May 26, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -8
You have to compliment guys when they perform, and tonight, Pham was indeed one of the stars. Couple of hits, scored the first run, and actually looked good on defense.
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Post by johneaztec on May 27, 2021 10:18:19 GMT -8
That was a brutal base running blunder.
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Post by junior on May 27, 2021 10:20:07 GMT -8
You also get to call them out when they make major boneheaded mistakes - like the one Pham just made on the bases by getting picked off with the meat of the order coming up and one out.
WTF is he thinking in that situation - or is he thinking at all. One step forward, two steps back. Good grief.
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Post by aztecryan on May 27, 2021 10:25:00 GMT -8
You also get to call them out when they make major boneheaded mistakes - like the one Pham just made on the bases by getting picked off with the meat of the order coming up and one out. WTF is he thinking in that situation - or is he thinking at all. One step forward, two steps back. Good grief. Would have been a routine double play in either case off the bat of Hosmer. He was overaggressive. Happens.
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