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Post by obboy13 on Sept 16, 2020 22:21:01 GMT -8
If they don't, Wicker earns the Dumbazz of the Year award for not renting a cheaper venue. Enjoy the games, social distancing will not be a problem. Not every facility is capable of supporting broadcasts. Likely the only options were Petco and Stubhub. Uh, no. Games are routinely telecast from Fresno...the most remote place in California.
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Post by hoobs on Sept 17, 2020 4:42:24 GMT -8
Not every facility is capable of supporting broadcasts. Likely the only options were Petco and Stubhub. Uh, no. Games are routinely telecast from Fresno...the most remote place in California. "Remote" has nothing to do with it. A stadium requires significant technical infrastructure to be able to host the broadcasting setup required of the networks. Wiring, cabling / conduit, power, etc. The other options in SD, I assume, have infrastructure in place only sufficient to support "local" broadcasting... eg, only 1 or 2 cameras.
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 17, 2020 7:27:42 GMT -8
Where is the Holiday Bowl going to be played? The question should be "When." Based on the current situation I can't see how the Holiday Bowl would be played this year. With us demoing the stadium the Holiday Bowl will probably be postponed until 2022. Before anyone proposes the Holiday Bowl to play somewhere in LA or elsewhere, that's not going to happen. The purpose of the Holiday Bowl is to promote tourism and hotel occupancy in San Diego. Holding the game out of town does nothing for tourism in San Diego.
As we've seen year after year it doesn't matter what the intent for something was in the beginning in this city, it's all about them. Not the people/tax payers.
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 17, 2020 7:33:37 GMT -8
There were lots of years where I thought we deserved a bowl game. But we weren't a "name" school and/or we weren't located in the South where we'd bring more fans. I don't want to cut back the number of bowls to where there are only 8 or 10. But when they have to start allowing 6-6 teams to go to a bowl game there are too many. I'd like bowl games limited to teams who are at least 8-3. Not going to happen, I know. TV loves the additional inventory and will pay even bottom of the barrel bowl games. I agree 6-6 teams should not be allowed to go to a bowl but it will never get cut back. It's a participation trophie!
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 17, 2020 7:39:25 GMT -8
SDSU can survive with Carson for one year. As for the bowl games, yes, many are hardly even marginal. Still, if 12 fold, that would mean 24 schools, each of which will have won at least 6 games, many 7 or more, would stay home. And many deserving G5 schools with 8 or 9 wins will be left out, replaced by really mediocre P5 schools. Remember when Cal, 6-5, went to a bowl (and lost) while Wyoming, with 10-wins, stayed home to shovel snow? The more bowls disappear, the more G5 schools get shafted. AzWm 1 season? We just found we may play this season? So 2 seasons! And as construction goes in SD hardly anything in on schedule. So now it might be 3 seasons of Cal State Dominquez Hills Aztecs?
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Post by AzTex on Sept 17, 2020 8:11:13 GMT -8
Yes which is why I "liked" another poster's post about playing at USD. I think that may turn out to have been a better option unless this thing gets dragged out 3 years or something and we would be allowed to fully attend down the road
But like another poster said, you'd need to make sure the stadium is equipped to handle a quality TV broadcast, which eliminates going the extremely cheap route
Seriously? Rugby games from USD have been televised, and heck in the 60's with all the prehistoric equipment in use then SDSC games were telecast from Aztec bowl. Are you sure about that? I was there in the 60's and don't remember Aztec games ever being broadcast from Aztec Bowl.
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Post by mactec on Sept 17, 2020 8:43:22 GMT -8
SDSU can survive with Carson for one year. As for the bowl games, yes, many are hardly even marginal. Still, if 12 fold, that would mean 24 schools, each of which will have won at least 6 games, many 7 or more, would stay home. And many deserving G5 schools with 8 or 9 wins will be left out, replaced by really mediocre P5 schools. Remember when Cal, 6-5, went to a bowl (and lost) while Wyoming, with 10-wins, stayed home to shovel snow? The more bowls disappear, the more G5 schools get shafted. AzWm 1 season? We just found we may play this season? So 2 seasons! And as construction goes in SD hardly anything in on schedule. So now it might be 3 seasons of Cal State Dominquez Hills Aztecs? Who cares about this season though? We won't be allowed to go to the games anyway.
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 17, 2020 9:35:39 GMT -8
Bingo! They can die on the vine for all I care. They turned their back on the local school a long time ago. Turnabout is fair play. Suck it red coats. We should charge the crap out of them to rent our stadium in the future. B - I - N - G - O !,,,,,,, and Bingo was his name-O! How much money does the holiday bowl really bring in? What will happen when Aztec stadium goes down to 35,000 will it be feasible any more? Petco at it's best won't be much bigger. Would the site lines and seats at Petco really work that well for football (still remember the lousy seats in Anaheim 91' Freedom bowl) The Holiday Bowl is very profitable. It has one of the highest payouts for non-New Year's Day bowl games. It's been around for 40+ years now and wouldn't have lasted that long if it wasn't doing well. I don't know what its impact is on San Diego tourism but it has to be substantial. The hotel operators are firmly in the Holiday Bowl's corner. Someone mentioned that they have a $2 million reserve. If that's true, they can survive a shutdown this year and possibly even next year if absolutely necessary. As for Petco, the sightlines would be less than optimal for football, but they'd probably be better than Anaheim when it hosted the Freedom Bowl. Anaheim's sightlines aren't good for baseball or football, and they were even worse when they enclosed it and tried to turn it into a multi-purpose venue. Quite a few other baseball stadiums are hosting bowl games now and it's become kind of a cool, novel thing. Yankee Stadium, Chase Field, Oracle Park, now Fenway Park. Sightlines for football can't be very good in any of those stadiums either. The thing with Petco (I've tried playing around with scaled drawings of the stadium in a CAD program just for entertainment while being locked down, just because I'm a geek that way) is they need to find an extra 50 feet or so of real estate down either the first base line or third base line. You need 120 yards plus about 5 yards or so behind each end zone for safety, so that's 130 yards or 390 feet. Petco is 334 down the LF line and 322 down the RF line. The LF line has a building that you obviously can't move. The RF line has that little corner that sticks out, but let's assume for a moment that you can move that. That gets you to 349 where the porch meets the "straight" part of the wall. Now you're short 50 feet. There's roughly 30 feet of foul territory on each side of the infield, but you can't use most of that because of the way the seats angle in towards the infield. Without knowing anything about the inner workings of Petco the easy solution is make those seats movable, but you can't - the visiting team clubhouse is under there, along with other infrastructure. So really the only viable solution is to demo a sizeable chunk of the right field lower deck seats and replace them with something movable. However, there's infrastructure under there too - restrooms, concessions, etc. Not that it couldn't be done, but it's no trivial job. It would be a major architectural modification to the ballpark, shortly after the Padres already put a lot of money into modifying that area. What would it get you? Instead of playing in 35,000 seat SDSU stadium which is optimized for football, you'd get maybe 42,000 seats with the majority having poor sightlines for football. Not a huge gain given the enormous construction cost. The tourism industry would certainly prefer it downtown. The blimp shots would be a lot more spectacular, and there's a lot more hotels and tourist attractions within walking distance. From a pure financial standpoint, they might be better off playing at SDSU stadium and looking into adding some temporary bleachers in the corners (hard to tell if that's doable or not based on the renderings) to get closer to the capacity Petco would offer. My educated guess is that the Holiday Bowl survives one way or another, and is more likely to be played in a reduced capacity SDSU stadium than at Petco. I'd also bet on it taking a 2-year hiatus. I could see some push to play it somewhere next year, even if it's outside of San Diego, just to keep its position in the bowl lineup, but that poses challenges of its own. I wish the Holiday Bowl would make some sort of statement as to what their plans are, but they probably don't have any idea yet either. Time will tell...
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 17, 2020 10:09:14 GMT -8
Yes which is why I "liked" another poster's post about playing at USD. I think that may turn out to have been a better option unless this thing gets dragged out 3 years or something and we would be allowed to fully attend down the road
But like another poster said, you'd need to make sure the stadium is equipped to handle a quality TV broadcast, which eliminates going the extremely cheap route
Seriously? Rugby games from USD have been televised, and heck in the 60's with all the prehistoric equipment in use then SDSC games were telecast from Aztec bowl. Right. I remember watching the LA State game at Aztec bowl on TV when I was living in Santa Monica going to grad school at (pardon the expression, UCLA). We lost that one 0-7. By the way, that LA State game drew 16,165 fans in Aztec Bowl, which, I believe had an official capacity of 12K. Imagine how easy it would have been to expand that venue to 35,000. Seating all the way around the horse shoe, plus second deck. Arena could have been built elsewhere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_San_Diego_State_Aztecs_football_teamAzWm
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Post by aardvark on Sept 17, 2020 10:31:38 GMT -8
Seriously? Rugby games from USD have been televised, and heck in the 60's with all the prehistoric equipment in use then SDSC games were telecast from Aztec bowl. Right. I remember watching the LA State game at Aztec bowl on TV when I was living in Santa Monica going to grad school at (pardon the expression, UCLA). We lost that one 0-7. By the way, that LA State game drew 16,165 fans in Aztec Bowl, which, I believe had an official capacity of 12K. Imagine how easy it would have been to expand that venue to 35,000. Seating all the way around the horse shoe, plus second deck. Arena could have been built elsewhere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_San_Diego_State_Aztecs_football_teamAzWm I believe the original plans were to have the ability to expand to 45k. The choice was apparently made over 50 years ago to not do that. Retiredaztec--is that you?
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Post by AzTex on Sept 17, 2020 10:36:44 GMT -8
Seriously? Rugby games from USD have been televised, and heck in the 60's with all the prehistoric equipment in use then SDSC games were telecast from Aztec bowl. Right. I remember watching the LA State game at Aztec bowl on TV when I was living in Santa Monica going to grad school at (pardon the expression, UCLA). We lost that one 0-7. By the way, that LA State game drew 16,165 fans in Aztec Bowl, which, I believe had an official capacity of 12K. Imagine how easy it would have been to expand that venue to 35,000. Seating all the way around the horse shoe, plus second deck. Arena could have been built elsewhere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_San_Diego_State_Aztecs_football_teamAzWm Maybe the reason I didn't remember any games on TV is because I was there at the game. There were a number of games at Aztec Bowl during the Coryell that exceeded the official capacity. Lots of students sitting in the ice plant in the closed end of the bowl.
When I was on the Aztec Club board in the early 70's I asked some of the members who had been around a long time about expanding Aztec Bowl. I could see that by enclosing the open end and adding seats in both ends, along with either extending the sideline seats further up or putting a deck like they did to Balboa Stadium, that we could be able to get 40,000 seats. I was told that a study had been done and that was entirely possible. But, the problem was the lack of parking.
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Post by missiontrails on Sept 17, 2020 11:43:13 GMT -8
Right. I remember watching the LA State game at Aztec bowl on TV when I was living in Santa Monica going to grad school at (pardon the expression, UCLA). We lost that one 0-7. By the way, that LA State game drew 16,165 fans in Aztec Bowl, which, I believe had an official capacity of 12K. Imagine how easy it would have been to expand that venue to 35,000. Seating all the way around the horse shoe, plus second deck. Arena could have been built elsewhere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_San_Diego_State_Aztecs_football_teamAzWm Maybe the reason I didn't remember any games on TV is because I was there at the game. There were a number of games at Aztec Bowl during the Coryell that exceeded the official capacity. Lots of students sitting in the ice plant in the closed end of the bowl. When I was on the Aztec Club board in the early 70's I asked some of the members who had been around a long time about expanding Aztec Bowl. I could see that by enclosing the open end and adding seats in both ends, along with either extending the sideline seats further up or putting a deck like they did to Balboa Stadium, that we could be able to get 40,000 seats. I was told that a study had been done and that was entirely possible. But, the problem was the lack of parking.
Too bad the trolley line wasn't even a glimmer in somebody's eye back in the early 70's.
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Post by AzTex on Sept 17, 2020 11:58:39 GMT -8
Maybe the reason I didn't remember any games on TV is because I was there at the game. There were a number of games at Aztec Bowl during the Coryell that exceeded the official capacity. Lots of students sitting in the ice plant in the closed end of the bowl. When I was on the Aztec Club board in the early 70's I asked some of the members who had been around a long time about expanding Aztec Bowl. I could see that by enclosing the open end and adding seats in both ends, along with either extending the sideline seats further up or putting a deck like they did to Balboa Stadium, that we could be able to get 40,000 seats. I was told that a study had been done and that was entirely possible. But, the problem was the lack of parking.
Too bad the trolley line wasn't even a glimmer in somebody's eye back in the early 70's. True. And apparently no one was thinking about multi floor parking garages. I'm not retiredaztec, but I do wish we'd been able to keep an expanded Aztec Bowl and build he new basketball arena somewhere else on campus. That opportunity as long gone. Hopefully they'll do a great job on the new stadium and things will be better than ever.
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Post by Village Aztec on Sept 17, 2020 13:32:40 GMT -8
We were D2 and that would not help us get a 45,000 stadium. We spent money get D1 scholarships and D1 AD. We could not get teams to play us that were D1. Drawing 43,000 our first game vs Tn. State which was D2 and not having any money, we had to move our game to the Merif.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Sept 17, 2020 13:35:15 GMT -8
Question: SDSU announced they will play spring and fall 2021 games in Carson, but the MWC subsequently announced they may play 8 game schedule in fall 2020. Will those games be in Carson or at the murph?
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Post by obboy13 on Sept 17, 2020 13:45:10 GMT -8
Uh, no. Games are routinely telecast from Fresno...the most remote place in California. "Remote" has nothing to do with it. A stadium requires significant technical infrastructure to be able to host the broadcasting setup required of the networks. Wiring, cabling / conduit, power, etc. The other options in SD, I assume, have infrastructure in place only sufficient to support "local" broadcasting... eg, only 1 or 2 cameras. First of all, I know it doesn't always come across online, but at least make an attempt to recognize sarcasm when you read things. Second you are wrong regarding "significant technical infrastructure." It might not be as easy as having everything pre-wired, but to suggest it can't be done hoobs is simply wrong. As for your term "local" broadcasting, perhaps you saw the national telecast on NBC of the Rugby national championship game direct from USD. I value your opinions, but in this case, that's all you provided, while trying to dress them up as facts.
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Post by obboy13 on Sept 17, 2020 13:58:09 GMT -8
Right. I remember watching the LA State game at Aztec bowl on TV when I was living in Santa Monica going to grad school at (pardon the expression, UCLA). We lost that one 0-7. By the way, that LA State game drew 16,165 fans in Aztec Bowl, which, I believe had an official capacity of 12K. Imagine how easy it would have been to expand that venue to 35,000. Seating all the way around the horse shoe, plus second deck. Arena could have been built elsewhere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_San_Diego_State_Aztecs_football_teamAzWm Maybe the reason I didn't remember any games on TV is because I was there at the game. There were a number of games at Aztec Bowl during the Coryell that exceeded the official capacity. Lots of students sitting in the ice plant in the closed end of the bowl. When I was on the Aztec Club board in the early 70's I asked some of the members who had been around a long time about expanding Aztec Bowl. I could see that by enclosing the open end and adding seats in both ends, along with either extending the sideline seats further up or putting a deck like they did to Balboa Stadium, that we could be able to get 40,000 seats. I was told that a study had been done and that was entirely possible. But, the problem was the lack of parking.
There are of course a couple of other possible explanations for your minor lapse in memory. First, age comes to all of us with its challenges (I say that only because I believe both of us are around the same age.) Second, it was the mid 60's and who knows what was in the air...nuff said. (Note to Hoobs, if you are reading this and wondering, the foregoing was 100% sarcastic joking.)
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Post by AzTex on Sept 17, 2020 14:19:00 GMT -8
Maybe the reason I didn't remember any games on TV is because I was there at the game. There were a number of games at Aztec Bowl during the Coryell that exceeded the official capacity. Lots of students sitting in the ice plant in the closed end of the bowl. When I was on the Aztec Club board in the early 70's I asked some of the members who had been around a long time about expanding Aztec Bowl. I could see that by enclosing the open end and adding seats in both ends, along with either extending the sideline seats further up or putting a deck like they did to Balboa Stadium, that we could be able to get 40,000 seats. I was told that a study had been done and that was entirely possible. But, the problem was the lack of parking.
There are of course a couple of other possible explanations for your minor lapse in memory. First, age comes to all of us with its challenges (I say that only because I believe both of us are around the same age.) Second, it was the mid 60's and who knows what was in the air...nuff said. (Note to Hoobs, if you are reading this and wondering, the foregoing was 100% sarcastic joking.) Entirely possible it's memory, although my long term memory is much better than my short term memory. Uh, what was the question? Anyway, as I remember, drugs weren't really an issue until the late 60's or the 70's. Beer would have been much more likely, although I didn't partake at that time. If they were prevalent on campus between 1963 and 1967 then it was because I didn't run with that crowd. I'll stick with the most likely possibility that I the game being on TV didn't make an impression because I was at the game. BTW, I got your joking.
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Post by azson on Sept 17, 2020 15:42:35 GMT -8
The smart money would be on bus service from campus to Indignity Playground. Carson is not someplace you really want to be stuck after dark. If the Aztec Club has any giddyup left in the tank, they'll get on this right away and start exploring and engineering some options. Party up, party there, party back. Of course, the uncertainty around Covid-19,20,21,22,23 may create some real challenges for Aztec fans. Party on, dudes (and dudettes).Aside from the FUBAR parking location at the Rose Bowl (i.e. on the complete opposite side of the stadium from where the breakfast was served), they did a great job with the busing to the F U C L A game last year - the best part being they allowed our Aztecarita cooler on board/us to drink on the way.
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Post by survalli on Sept 17, 2020 18:46:10 GMT -8
measurable attendance in Carson would look to the Pac 12 and any other league looking for expansion
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