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Post by AzTex on Sept 16, 2020 12:10:14 GMT -8
Where is the Holiday Bowl going to be played? Speaking of the Holiday Bowl, I wonder how many of the other bowls, especially the minor ones, are going to throw in the towel. By that I mean not just for this year, but maybe for good. AzWm You say that like it's a bad thing. I don't think it would be bad to weed out a lot of the minor bowls. Make bowl games mean something again.
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Post by AzTex on Sept 16, 2020 12:19:00 GMT -8
The question should be "When." Based on the current situation I can't see how the Holiday Bowl would be played this year. With us demoing the stadium the Holiday Bowl will probably be postponed until 2020.
Before anyone proposes the Holiday Bowl to play somewhere in LA or elsewhere, that's not going to happen. The purpose of the Holiday Bowl is to promote tourism and hotel occupancy in San Diego. Holding the game out of town does nothing for tourism in San Diego.
With the H-bowl being the 5th bowl in the P12 line-up, and even further down in the ACC's line-up, with the pandemic I think they were unlikely to play it in 2020 anyway. I think bowl season will be dramatically reduced, since the likelihood of generating tourism is significantly reduced in 2020. 2021 definitely brings up a question, but they may feel justified in paying the costs to renovate Petco & they'll have time to do so. But agree, it's not going to LA. It's more likely to take a 2-year hiatus, but that may have been the case anyway. Even if SDCCU wasn't being demolished until Jan 2022 there were a ton of issues with holding a bowl game there anyway. Parking would have been a disaster for 40k+ fans. My guess is they would have looked toward Petco or dissolving anyway. My post, which you quoted, had a typo, which I've corrected. Intended to say that the Holiday Bowl will probably be postponed to 2022.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 16, 2020 12:27:03 GMT -8
With the H-bowl being the 5th bowl in the P12 line-up, and even further down in the ACC's line-up, with the pandemic I think they were unlikely to play it in 2020 anyway. I think bowl season will be dramatically reduced, since the likelihood of generating tourism is significantly reduced in 2020. 2021 definitely brings up a question, but they may feel justified in paying the costs to renovate Petco & they'll have time to do so. But agree, it's not going to LA. It's more likely to take a 2-year hiatus, but that may have been the case anyway. Even if SDCCU wasn't being demolished until Jan 2022 there were a ton of issues with holding a bowl game there anyway. Parking would have been a disaster for 40k+ fans. My guess is they would have looked toward Petco or dissolving anyway. I could see the Holiday Bowl maybe going to Carson or Anaheim for one year. After that, its options are spend however many millions of dollars it would take to renovate Petco, play in Aztec Stadium with reduced seating, or fade off into the sunset. None of those are particularly attractive options, and I'm not sure the Padres would be overly enthusiastic about a fairly sizeable chunk of outfield seating being replaced with movable seats. They just did a major renovation in that area a few years ago. Even with being relatively far down in the conference lineups, it's still a fairly highly regarded bowl game with a nice 40+ year history. It would be a shame to see it go away. Not sure why a bowl game run by a local organization designed to promote tourism in SD & funded by SD area business partners would move to Carson, even for a year? Why send all your staff north every day to work on sponsorships, etc.? Plus, with the new LA bowl plus the Rose Bowl, they'd be competing with some big players for sponsorship money. That's the reason the Poinsettia went south.
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 16, 2020 12:37:09 GMT -8
I could see the Holiday Bowl maybe going to Carson or Anaheim for one year. After that, its options are spend however many millions of dollars it would take to renovate Petco, play in Aztec Stadium with reduced seating, or fade off into the sunset. None of those are particularly attractive options, and I'm not sure the Padres would be overly enthusiastic about a fairly sizeable chunk of outfield seating being replaced with movable seats. They just did a major renovation in that area a few years ago. Even with being relatively far down in the conference lineups, it's still a fairly highly regarded bowl game with a nice 40+ year history. It would be a shame to see it go away. Not sure why a bowl game run by a local organization designed to promote tourism in SD & funded by SD area business partners would move to Carson, even for a year? Why send all your staff north every day to work on sponsorships, etc.? Plus, with the new LA bowl plus the Rose Bowl, they'd be competing with some big players for sponsorship money. That's the reason the Poinsettia went south. For very much the same reason SDSU is playing in Carson - because you lose less money by playing for a year in a less than optimal setting. The Holiday Bowl people said they'd lose something in the mid 6-figure range to not play this year. They can weather that storm this year, but next year it's likely going to be find a place to play it or shut it down. Yes, sponsorships and the like will be a problem, but the bowl season in 2021 probably won't be anything close to "normal" anyway. Quite a few of the sponsors are national names, so it should make little difference to them if the game is played in San Diego, or LA, or on the moon, as long as it's nationally televised. There are far too many bowl games, but this one is ours, and it's been around for a long time now. I've literally attended every single one of them. It would be a real shame to see it disappear.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 16, 2020 12:48:38 GMT -8
With the H-bowl being the 5th bowl in the P12 line-up, and even further down in the ACC's line-up, with the pandemic I think they were unlikely to play it in 2020 anyway. I think bowl season will be dramatically reduced, since the likelihood of generating tourism is significantly reduced in 2020. 2021 definitely brings up a question, but they may feel justified in paying the costs to renovate Petco & they'll have time to do so. But agree, it's not going to LA. It's more likely to take a 2-year hiatus, but that may have been the case anyway. Even if SDCCU wasn't being demolished until Jan 2022 there were a ton of issues with holding a bowl game there anyway. Parking would have been a disaster for 40k+ fans. My guess is they would have looked toward Petco or dissolving anyway. I could see the Holiday Bowl maybe going to Carson or Anaheim for one year. After that, its options are spend however many millions of dollars it would take to renovate Petco, play in Aztec Stadium with reduced seating, or fade off into the sunset. None of those are particularly attractive options, and I'm not sure the Padres would be overly enthusiastic about a fairly sizeable chunk of outfield seating being replaced with movable seats. They just did a major renovation in that area a few years ago. Even with being relatively far down in the conference lineups, it's still a fairly highly regarded bowl game with a nice 40+ year history. It would be a shame to see it go away. I don't think you will ever see a game of football played in Petco Park. And in the new Aztec Stadium (even at 35,000 seats plus standing room or temporary additional seats) it should be a much better experience than trying to cram a football field into a baseball park that isn't designed for football. I think the Holiday Bowl takes two years off, then comes back in 2022.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 16, 2020 12:55:29 GMT -8
Not sure why a bowl game run by a local organization designed to promote tourism in SD & funded by SD area business partners would move to Carson, even for a year? Why send all your staff north every day to work on sponsorships, etc.? Plus, with the new LA bowl plus the Rose Bowl, they'd be competing with some big players for sponsorship money. That's the reason the Poinsettia went south. For very much the same reason SDSU is playing in Carson - because you lose less money by playing for a year in a less than optimal setting. The Holiday Bowl people said they'd lose something in the mid 6-figure range to not play this year. They can weather that storm this year, but next year it's likely going to be find a place to play it or shut it down. Yes, sponsorships and the like will be a problem, but the bowl season in 2021 probably won't be anything close to "normal" anyway. Quite a few of the sponsors are national names, so it should make little difference to them if the game is played in San Diego, or LA, or on the moon, as long as it's nationally televised. There are far too many bowl games, but this one is ours, and it's been around for a long time now. I've literally attended every single one of them. It would be a real shame to see it disappear. I've gone to several & would love to see it played as well. I just don't think they take it north. Not when their entire staff lives in SD. They have $2M+ in reserves, and even if losses are in the 6-figure range, they could weather the storm for yet another year if push comes to shove. They have no rent any more. #1 goal will be finding office space, since that's going away. It was funded to promote SD - I just don't see how moving to LA to promote LA for a year in 2021 & then moving back to SD to promote SD in 2022 helps them financially?
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Post by AztecPhil on Sept 16, 2020 13:11:48 GMT -8
Why should we care about a bowl game that does not care about us?
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Post by goaztecs on Sept 16, 2020 13:27:23 GMT -8
Speaking of the Holiday Bowl, I wonder how many of the other bowls, especially the minor ones, are going to throw in the towel. By that I mean not just for this year, but maybe for good. AzWm You say that like it's a bad thing. I don't think it would be bad to weed out a lot of the minor bowls. Make bowl games mean something again. Not a bad point but I’m still disappointed about no bowl game in 1996.
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Post by AzTex on Sept 16, 2020 14:47:18 GMT -8
You say that like it's a bad thing. I don't think it would be bad to weed out a lot of the minor bowls. Make bowl games mean something again. Not a bad point but I’m still disappointed about no bowl game in 1996. There were lots of years where I thought we deserved a bowl game. But we weren't a "name" school and/or we weren't located in the South where we'd bring more fans. I don't want to cut back the number of bowls to where there are only 8 or 10. But when they have to start allowing 6-6 teams to go to a bowl game there are too many. I'd like bowl games limited to teams who are at least 8-3. Not going to happen, I know. TV loves the additional inventory and will pay even bottom of the barrel bowl games.
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Post by goaztecs on Sept 16, 2020 14:52:06 GMT -8
Not a bad point but I’m still disappointed about no bowl game in 1996. There were lots of years where I thought we deserved a bowl game. But we weren't a "name" school and/or we weren't located in the South where we'd bring more fans. I don't want to cut back the number of bowls to where there are only 8 or 10. But when they have to start allowing 6-6 teams to go to a bowl game there are too many. I'd like bowl games limited to teams who are at least 8-3. Not going to happen, I know. TV loves the additional inventory and will pay even bottom of the barrel bowl games. I agree 6-6 teams should not be allowed to go to a bowl but it will never get cut back.
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Sept 16, 2020 15:31:57 GMT -8
Maybe it's just me, but Wicker has seemed in over his head since he was brought on. I hope this all works out but as others have pointed out, the smallest thing can delay completion of the stadium. I'm hoping for some good basketball news today as I think the NCAA is laying out the structure for the season or something like that. I agree with this 100%. Wicker comes off as Goober Pyle from Mayberry. Totally in over his head. The maintenance excuse is just that a ruse. If the elevators/escalators don't work or can't be certified to pass inspection just close them off. They never opened enough bathrooms anyway so it can't be that. Part of the maintenance they always refer to is paying off the bonds which we aren't required to pay off in this deal. I traveled for the last 2 years to Carson as a season ticket holder. It's not a great stadium and doesn't provide a great game day experience. Earlier it was said parking was $50. Actually it was $100 to tailgate for Charger's games but who knows what they will charge. The Chargers had trouble getting 25K and that is for pro football. My bet is they get a max of 12.5k in paying fans. Of course they will give another 10k tickets away to save face. I definitely think if the Q was out for sure we should have made a deal with USD, but my bet is they didn't want us unless we guaranteed them like 4 home and away games.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 16, 2020 16:01:51 GMT -8
SDSU can survive with Carson for one year.
As for the bowl games, yes, many are hardly even marginal. Still, if 12 fold, that would mean 24 schools, each of which will have won at least 6 games, many 7 or more, would stay home. And many deserving G5 schools with 8 or 9 wins will be left out, replaced by really mediocre P5 schools. Remember when Cal, 6-5, went to a bowl (and lost) while Wyoming, with 10-wins, stayed home to shovel snow?
The more bowls disappear, the more G5 schools get shafted.
AzWm
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2020 17:02:01 GMT -8
this is a chance for the governor to extend the train to nowhere. it'll go from SDSU to Carson. then, later, next century, connect to the bullet train. with the usual weak attendance at home, what will it be in another city, especially so near LA. "what ya want to do this Saturday?" "I dunno, let's hop in the car and drive to Carson to watch the Aztecs." " nahhhhhh, let's get wasted here." "works for me, turn on the tv, and grab a couple brews."
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 16, 2020 17:03:23 GMT -8
Last I heard, the HBowl would rather have the city cough up the money to pay for the retrofit of Petco than any other option.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 16, 2020 17:21:10 GMT -8
Last I heard, the HBowl would rather have the city cough up the money to pay for the retrofit of Petco than any other option. Yeah, I'm sure they would. What are the chances? AzWm
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 16, 2020 17:46:43 GMT -8
Last I heard, the HBowl would rather have the city cough up the money to pay for the retrofit of Petco than any other option. Yeah, I'm sure they would. What are the chances? AzWm The Bowl is essentially an auxiliary of the SD Tourism Bureau. I am sure the downtown hotels and Gaslamp business will push hard for Petco, from their perspective the game is secondary to the tourist buck getting spent.
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Post by fowl on Sept 16, 2020 19:00:52 GMT -8
Why should we care about a bowl game that does not care about us? Bingo! They can die on the vine for all I care. They turned their back on the local school a long time ago. Turnabout is fair play. Suck it red coats. We should charge the crap out of them to rent our stadium in the future.
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 16, 2020 21:11:10 GMT -8
Why should we care about a bowl game that does not care about us? Bingo! They can die on the vine for all I care. They turned their back on the local school a long time ago. Turnabout is fair play. Suck it red coats. We should charge the crap out of them to rent our stadium in the future. B - I - N - G - O !,,,,,,, and Bingo was his name-O! How much money does the holiday bowl really bring in? What will happen when Aztec stadium goes down to 35,000 will it be feasible any more? Petco at it's best won't be much bigger. Would the site lines and seats at Petco really work that well for football (still remember the lousy seats in Anaheim 91' Freedom bowl)
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Post by Old School on Sept 16, 2020 22:16:17 GMT -8
Oldie Out
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Post by obboy13 on Sept 16, 2020 22:18:34 GMT -8
Perhaps, maybe even probably you're right GFS...but isn't that an argument for choosing a cheaper venue? Yes which is why I "liked" another poster's post about playing at USD. I think that may turn out to have been a better option unless this thing gets dragged out 3 years or something and we would be allowed to fully attend down the road
But like another poster said, you'd need to make sure the stadium is equipped to handle a quality TV broadcast, which eliminates going the extremely cheap route
Seriously? Rugby games from USD have been televised, and heck in the 60's with all the prehistoric equipment in use then SDSC games were telecast from Aztec bowl.
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