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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Dec 20, 2012 10:05:55 GMT -8
Man, I'm with you. I have no idea how fans of UNLV and Fresno could possibly believe staying in the MWC is a better option than coming together with SDSU, Boise and BYU to form the western division of the new big east? I think some of them just backed themselves into a corner through their chastisement of SDUS for the move and are just to prideful to reverse course. Well first, BYU isn't on board yet and the MWC is going after them as well. Include BYU in the nBE and there are damn few Fresno and UNLV fans who would think that the MWC was the better deal. Even now, I wouldn't say that most Fresno and UNLV fans "...believe staying in the MWC is a better option..." I would say that they hope it turns out to be the better option, but as of now, have no idea which is the better option. The options, including the money, have yet to be presented. I also don't think that MWC fans are critical of SDSU and BSU for going to the BE. But you accepted a very different invitation than some of us may be offered. Since you accepted their invitation, your most important football schools have left, your basketball schools are leaving, you're no longer an AQ conference and the television money has fallen by perhaps $100 million a year. Kind of a difference. It doesn't mean that the nBE is not still a better place to be but it is not nearly the slam dunk that it was when you signed on. The risk of having to pay exit fees if it blew up was worth what you were getting; now that's a legitimate question. If the MWC can fix it's television contract (and "substantial progress" is being made) and can convince BYU to come back, then the MWC might offer the better deal -- especially if the ACC takes Cincy and UConn before decisions are finalized. But that's a lot of ifs -- probably too many. My expectation is that the nBE will offer the better deal. And if that is the case, then the fans of Fresno State and UNLV, if we are offered, will be fully supportive. Right now, we're just arguing over rumors and conjecture. Well most are. Fangdog's gone off on his own version of a "47% are victims" rant. He doesn't know what the money is but he bellyaches that others "don't care about what makes competitive financial viability". Newsflash Fang: One of the things that makes for competitive financial viability is knowing what the money is before you jump into something. Those who don't, "are the kind of people who let their emotions cost them money". Yoda out... . Fair enough. I can understand if you are still clinging to hope that BYU AND Boise come back to the MWC and miraculously CBS agrees to sweeten the TV deal. However, even in that unlikely event, I still believe the nBE will get more money simply based on market size. The nBE has Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Tampa Bay, San Diego and Philadelphia schools. The MWC can't compete with that, particularly if you add Provo and media darling Boise to that list. As far as having to play in the Big West for 1 or 2 years, it really shouldn't be too big a negative. UNLV, SDSU, Fresno, Boise, UCSB and LBSU is a solid foundation. You just ensure each of these teams play each other twice with only one game against the bottom rung teams. As we have shown, it is fairly easy to beef up the out of conference schedule to protect your RPI as well.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Dec 20, 2012 10:14:08 GMT -8
Man, I'm with you. I have no idea how fans of UNLV and Fresno could possibly believe staying in the MWC is a better option than coming together with SDSU, Boise and BYU to form the western division of the new big east? I think some of them just backed themselves into a corner through their chastisement of SDUS for the move and are just to prideful to reverse course. Well first, BYU isn't on board yet and the MWC is going after them as well. Include BYU in the nBE and there are damn few Fresno and UNLV fans who would think that the MWC was the better deal. Even now, I wouldn't say that most Fresno and UNLV fans "...believe staying in the MWC is a better option..." I would say that they hope it turns out to be the better option, but as of now, have no idea which is the better option. The options, including the money, have yet to be presented. Kind of a difference. It doesn't mean that the nBE is not still a better place to be but it is not nearly the slam dunk that it was when you signed on. The risk of having to pay exit fees if it blew up was worth what you were getting; now that's a legitimate question. If the MWC can fix it's television contract (and "substantial progress" is being made) and can convince BYU to come back, then the MWC might offer the better deal -- especially if the ACC takes Cincy and UConn before decisions are finalized. But that's a lot of ifs -- probably too many. My expectation is that the nBE will offer the better deal. And if that is the case, then the fans of Fresno State and UNLV, if we are offered, will be fully supportive. Right now, we're just arguing over rumors and conjecture. Yoda out... What exactly can the MWC offer the Yners to entice them to come back? All the better football programs have either left or leaving. Their bruised egos will not make them go back to a watered-down MWC and be laughed at by their hated rival Utah. As well, a desperate CBS will not fork out enough money to come near what the BE can/will receive.
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Post by Yoda on Dec 20, 2012 11:35:19 GMT -8
What exactly can the MWC offer the Yners to entice them to come back? All the better football programs have either left or leaving. Their bruised egos will not make them go back to a watered-down MWC and be laughed at by their hated rival Utah. As well, a desperate CBS will not fork out enough money to come near what the BE can/will receive. It is a whole lot easier to get to a BCS bowl game as a member of a conference than as an Indy. That is supposedly the only reason that BYU is talking to either conference. My expectation is that if BYU came back to the MWC, then Fresno and UNLV (assuming the rumor is valid) would likely stay and if those three were there, then SDSU and BSU might well come back. You almost certainly would if the ACC had poaches Cincy and UConn before the rest of this is settled. That is a strategy that I have to believe that the MWC is pursuing. As I said before though, I really doubt that they will be able to pull it off. As much as CBS should throw in a lot of money to make it happen, I just don't think they will go all in. Yoda out... .
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Post by monty on Dec 20, 2012 11:38:45 GMT -8
BYU can't just join the MWC. They are contracted with ESPN with no out save to a bcs conf. So, they would need ESPN's blessing to break the contract or just carry the contract with them. ESPN hasn't made it seem they are upset with the contract, why would they want to bolster the MWC, etc. So even yodas usual nonsensical dart throwing doesn't logistically make sense.
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Post by Yoda on Dec 20, 2012 14:11:32 GMT -8
BYU can't just join the MWC. They are contracted with ESPN with no out save to a bcs conf. So, they would need ESPN's blessing to break the contract or just carry the contract with them. ESPN hasn't made it seem they are upset with the contract, why would they want to bolster the MWC, etc. So even yodas usual nonsensical dart throwing doesn't logistically make sense If I'm the MWC -- and for the record, I'm not -- I would let BYU keep their ESPN contract. I don't suppose that CBS would object because they still get BYU when they play conference road games as those belong to CBS. But hell's bells; I'd make the same offer to ND -- and that truly is dart throwing. Yoda out... .
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Post by standiego on Dec 20, 2012 15:10:59 GMT -8
So Yoda-lady-who, say you are the AD at your school, and the BE asks are you In or Out. Final Answer..............
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Post by retiredaztec on Dec 20, 2012 15:39:48 GMT -8
BYU can't just join the MWC. They are contracted with ESPN with no out save to a bcs conf. So, they would need ESPN's blessing to break the contract or just carry the contract with them. ESPN hasn't made it seem they are upset with the contract, why would they want to bolster the MWC, etc. So even yodas usual nonsensical dart throwing doesn't logistically make sense If I'm the MWC -- and for the record, I'm not -- I would let BYU keep their ESPN contract. I don't suppose that CBS would object because they still get BYU when they play conference road games as those belong to CBS. But hell's bells; I'd make the same offer to ND -- and that truly is dart throwing. Yoda out... . When I attend Diet Coke and Sprite Cola laden parties at my BYU buddies house with his fellow BYU brethren, I'm reminded back when, no one in the room, at the time, was in support of BYU going independent. It wasn't so much an allegiance to the MW, but the "knee jerk reaction" to Utah's ascension to the PAC-12, (by the way, how's that working out for you guys?), gave the administration a mind set that they would be better off going independent. (I was told, and this group would know, that Thompson was actually willing to discuss BYUTV as a possible concession, but by then BYU was not about to be shown up by Utah). As far as these people are concerned their worse fears were realized over the last two seasons. (Personally, I don't see the correlation but I have no vote on this subject). Would BYU return to the MW? Would they join the nBE? I really can't say, but I'm convinced they want neither. But that said, if they do decide to realign with a conference, for better or worse, that conference's stock will definitely go up.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Dec 20, 2012 16:14:16 GMT -8
BYU will not go back to the MWC. That is a given. Joining the Western Conference of the BE would be a realization that they need the temporary shelter of a reasonable conference to get access to high level bowls and mark time until they can gain an invite from a top 5 conference. Whether the BE forms a western all-sports conference as it looks like they may would probably be the kicker for them, if no big-5 invite is pending.
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Post by Yoda on Dec 20, 2012 16:27:03 GMT -8
So Yoda-lady-who, say you are the AD at your school, and the BE asks are you In or Out. Final Answer.............. I don't know. First you answer a couple of questions for me... What's the entrance fee? What's the exit fee if we decide to leave again? Are Cincinnati and UConn going to still be members by the time that we join? Who else is going with us to the nBE? Who the other schools in our division going to be? How big will the nBE's television contract be -- per school, per year? Are we getting an all sport invitation or a football only invitation? What will the outcome of the MWC's television negotiations with CBS going to be -- meaning, income per school, per year? How serious is BYU in their discussions with the MWC about rejoining? And with the nBE about joining? If BYU joins the MWC, will SDSU and BSU come back? My point is, everybody on the internet has an opinion about what they might or might not do. But damn few of them are informed opinions. Money issues being acceptable, my principle criterion remains the same... I want to be in the same division of the same conference as SDSU, BSU and hopefully BYU -- and I don't give a damn what conference that is. I have no more loyalty to the MWC than I have to the nBE -- but I have no less loyalty either. My loyalty is to my school. That's all that I can tell you. Yoda out... .
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Post by jdgaucho on Dec 20, 2012 16:32:59 GMT -8
for what it's worth, if UNLV ever came back for a year or two it would not be so bad for them as they make it out to be. "The Thunderdome on the campus of UC Santa Barbara has traditionally been a house of horrors for visiting opponents, UNLV included...
Current Rebels assistant coach and former UNLV star Stacey Augmon once was hit by a tennis ball tossed by a spectator in the Gauchos’ student section.
Those were really intimidating and difficult places to compete in. It was at schools such as UCSB, Long Beach State and New Mexico State that Tarkanian’s squads were toughened up, solidifying the “us against the world” mentality they developed."It was mutually beneficial for us too. At its peak from 1988-1991, the BW sent three teams to the tournament twice. I know it's been two decades since those days but there's no reason why it can't happen again with you, us, Long Beach, Irvine, Hawaii, Vegas... vegasseven.com/blogs/above-rim/2011/12/01/rebels-trip-ucsb-harkens-back-days-big-west-battles
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