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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 21:48:00 GMT -8
Someone explain to me how the MW.. which has a high end TV deal of $12 million/year dollars total, is in better shape than the Big East.. which has a low end TV deal of $60 million/year..?!??
I understand the Big East has fallen a long way from what the original estimates are.. but even at the lowest point its ever been its still AT LEAST worth almost $50 million dollars more a year than the MW.
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Post by sugarrise on Dec 19, 2012 21:49:56 GMT -8
150% bigger than Veijas [/quote] [/quote] Veijas 12,414 T&M 18,776
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Dec 19, 2012 21:52:16 GMT -8
Someone explain to me how the MW.. which has a high end TV deal of $12 million/year dollars total, is in better shape than the Big East.. which has a low end TV deal of $60 million/year..?!?? I understand the Big East has fallen a long way from what the original estimates are.. but even at the lowest point its ever been its still AT LEAST worth almost $50 million dollars more a year than the MW. Man, I'm with you. I have no idea how fans of UNLV and Fresno could possibly believe staying in the MWC is a better option than coming together with SDSU, Boise and BYU to form the western division of the new big east? I think some of them just backed themselves into a corner through their chastisement of SDUS for the move and are just to prideful to reverse course.
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Post by monty619 on Dec 19, 2012 21:52:19 GMT -8
Someone explain to me how the MW.. which has a high end TV deal of $12 million/year dollars total, is in better shape than the Big East.. which has a low end TV deal of $60 million/year..?!?? I understand the Big East has fallen a long way from what the original estimates are.. but even at the lowest point its ever been its still AT LEAST worth almost $50 million dollars more a year than the MW. That 'low end' estimate is outdated...the low end is ugly at this point until they stop the bleeding
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Post by sugarrise on Dec 19, 2012 21:55:12 GMT -8
Someone explain to me how the MW.. which has a high end TV deal of $12 million/year dollars total, is in better shape than the Big East.. which has a low end TV deal of $60 million/year..?!?? I understand the Big East has fallen a long way from what the original estimates are.. but even at the lowest point its ever been its still AT LEAST worth almost $50 million dollars more a year than the MW. Man, I'm with you. I have no idea how fans of UNLV and Fresno could possibly believe staying in the MWC is a better option than coming together with SDSU, Boise and BYU to form the western division of the new big east? I think some of them just backed themselves in the corner through their chastisement of SDUS for the move and are just to prideful to reverse course. They're definitely interested in all sports but UNLV will not play a home conference slate against the CBL California Bus League.
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Post by azteccc on Dec 19, 2012 21:58:35 GMT -8
lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 22:15:22 GMT -8
I chuckled.^
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Post by sdsuballer on Dec 19, 2012 23:39:14 GMT -8
[/quote] Veijas 12,414 T&M 18,776 [/quote] How many are viewable seats.... Viejas has 12,414 real seats that are not blocked by something with great views. While unlv has about 8,000 viewable seats in the lower bowl. The rest of the seats are padded numbers since they face grey cement blocks. Additionally they lack one of those big LED big screen TV in the center court and there PA system sound like the super market pager. The place is a dump. Always wonder why we couldn't have the MTN bb tournament at MGM grand.
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Post by grossmont2sdsu on Dec 20, 2012 4:11:20 GMT -8
top 55 markets westSDSU Houston SMU UNLV Fresno (possible: UNM, and then if anyone came west from the east) East (cincy, uconn - 1 or both are likely placeholders) Memphis Tulane UCF USF Navy The point is you drop the backwater teams in the mwc and cusa, so, yes, it's cusa4.0 or the alliance 2.0 but without schools in the middle of nowhere, it can be televised all day long, etc. Money won't be huge, but will be a nice raise, and as long as Fox is involved in some aspect, I expect us to get a very nice 3rd tier contract with them Adding the 4th most popular schools in major markets doesn't add value. Nobody in Texas cares about Houston or SMU basketball. Memphis is the best of the bunch, and they're the 3rd most popular team in Memphis. The C7 will be lucky to get much more than a million a year, the MWCUSA basketball schools would be lucky to get 3/4 of a million, and that would be primarily because Of SDSU, UNLV, and BYU. UCF, Navy, USF, East Carolina, and Tulane add nothing to BBall revenue. Joining with them just to be able to play Memphis doesn't make any sense, and won't make any money. ------ Houston basketball 4 final four appearances and their 2012 eecruiting class was top 25. In the nation... UH. Has the most storied ncaa basketball program in the state of texas ..they have been up and down but dont sleep on them next year....
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Post by sugarrise on Dec 20, 2012 4:28:38 GMT -8
Veijas 12,414 T&M 18,776 [/quote] How many are viewable seats.... Viejas has 12,414 real seats that are not blocked by something with great views. While unlv has about 8,000 viewable seats in the lower bowl. The rest of the seats are padded numbers since they face grey cement blocks. Additionally they lack one of those big LED big screen TV in the center court and there PA system sound like the super market pager. The place is a dump. Always wonder why we couldn't have the MTN bb tournament at MGM grand. [/quote] Of course they have a big screen at center court, what are you talking about. Been upstairs a couple of times, never had a problem with obscured view. The lower bowl holds way more than 8,000, more like 11-12k. The place is far from a dump. You don't do more events annually than any arena in the country not named Madison Square Garden if your arena is substandard.
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Post by fangdog on Dec 20, 2012 4:31:50 GMT -8
Someone explain to me how the MW.. which has a high end TV deal of $12 million/year dollars total, is in better shape than the Big East.. which has a low end TV deal of $60 million/year..?!?? I understand the Big East has fallen a long way from what the original estimates are.. but even at the lowest point its ever been its still AT LEAST worth almost $50 million dollars more a year than the MW. Man, I'm with you. I have no idea how fans of UNLV and Fresno could possibly believe staying in the MWC is a better option than coming together with SDSU, Boise and BYU to form the western division of the new big east? I think some of them just backed themselves into a corner through their chastisement of SDUS for the move and are just to prideful to reverse course. Pior to this year, look at what has been Fresno's football program the past 6-years prior to this year. Look at what UNLV football program is. Fans who accept this kind of mediocrity or worse do not have a winners mentality in their life and live on idealism. They are not able to or care about what makes competitive financial viability, but only what makes them feel good from the standpoint of entitlement. They are the kind of people who let their emotions cost them money. They see themselves as victims with whiny "nobody cares about me". Ultimately these programs die a slow-death or something comes along and saves them from themselves.
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Post by Yoda on Dec 20, 2012 5:40:23 GMT -8
Man, I'm with you. I have no idea how fans of UNLV and Fresno could possibly believe staying in the MWC is a better option than coming together with SDSU, Boise and BYU to form the western division of the new big east? I think some of them just backed themselves into a corner through their chastisement of SDUS for the move and are just to prideful to reverse course. Well first, BYU isn't on board yet and the MWC is going after them as well. Include BYU in the nBE and there are damn few Fresno and UNLV fans who would think that the MWC was the better deal. Even now, I wouldn't say that most Fresno and UNLV fans "...believe staying in the MWC is a better option..." I would say that they hope it turns out to be the better option, but as of now, have no idea which is the better option. The options, including the money, have yet to be presented. I also don't think that MWC fans are critical of SDSU and BSU for going to the BE. But you accepted a very different invitation than some of us may be offered. Since you accepted their invitation, your most important football schools have left, your basketball schools are leaving, you're no longer an AQ conference and the television money has fallen by perhaps $100 million a year. Kind of a difference. It doesn't mean that the nBE is not still a better place to be but it is not nearly the slam dunk that it was when you signed on. The risk of having to pay exit fees if it blew up was worth what you were getting; now that's a legitimate question. If the MWC can fix it's television contract (and "substantial progress" is being made) and can convince BYU to come back, then the MWC might offer the better deal -- especially if the ACC takes Cincy and UConn before decisions are finalized. But that's a lot of ifs -- probably too many. My expectation is that the nBE will offer the better deal. And if that is the case, then the fans of Fresno State and UNLV, if we are offered, will be fully supportive. Right now, we're just arguing over rumors and conjecture. Well most are. Fangdog's gone off on his own version of a "47% are victims" rant. He doesn't know what the money is but he bellyaches that others "don't care about what makes competitive financial viability". Newsflash Fang: One of the things that makes for competitive financial viability is knowing what the money is before you jump into something. Those who don't, "are the kind of people who let their emotions cost them money". Yoda out... .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 6:23:43 GMT -8
IF UNLV leaves the MWC their fans wil revolt as they love that conference and never want to leave......or we will see the doors swinging behind them as they run out! UNLV fans love hosting the MWC tournament. However, that love for the MWC would be mitigated by allowing UNLV to host the nBE tournament every third year in a rotation with a location in Dallas (SMU's place is too small so would have to be the Mavs' house) and another somewhere in the East.
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Dec 20, 2012 7:35:46 GMT -8
UNLV will not join the BE if it means putting it's golden hen (MBB) in the BW. Says who? A president that said they won't when nobody was asking them to? Keep on believing empty statements. UNLV can say no, other MWC schools won't, and they'll be stuck playing Wyoming and San Jose State for a few hundred grand a year. ..Sent from my GS3..
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Dec 20, 2012 7:38:41 GMT -8
BYU coming back? CBS renegotiating the tv deal to anything meaningful? Good luck with that MWC.
..Sent from my GS3..
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Dec 20, 2012 7:56:40 GMT -8
There are quite a number of variables which need to be addressed before any tv network can even make an intelligent offer. These include: 1. What teams are in the new conference; BYU, UNLV, Fresno, et. al. ?? 2. Is it going to be an "all-sports" conference including both men's and women's sports? 3. How many games would be included in a conference basketball tournament? Until these and other questions are answered the tv networks can't even make an offer for a tv deal with the new conference. And schools like BYU can't join the new conference until they know what kind of money is at stake. Aresco really has his work cut out for him on this one. And this applies to the MWC contract negotiations as well because the MWC may lose teams that would have a direct influence on the MWC's tv value.
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Post by Yoda on Dec 20, 2012 7:57:59 GMT -8
BYU coming back? CBS renegotiating the tv deal to anything meaningful? Good luck with that MWC. CBS is just as desperate for product as NBC is so they should be just as willing to negotiate an existing contract as a new one if it means retaining product and potentially adding to it. And supposedly, the MWC is making "substantial progress" on that front. But I don't have any more confidence than you do that they will pull it off and head off a raid by the nBE. Seems like an awfully long shot... Yoda out... .
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Dec 20, 2012 8:59:35 GMT -8
150% bigger than Veijas... Veijas 12,414 T&M 18,776 #UNLVmathThe only way one might think that 18,776 is 150% greater than 12,414 was if you went to UNLV and this was your math textbook: Oh wait...
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Post by monty on Dec 20, 2012 9:05:46 GMT -8
cbs doesn't care - they have made no effort to bolster cbs college, in fact, there is less content on cbs college than when it was cstv. Just give the verne and dannielson splooging their pants during an sec game of the week on cbs Tiffany and they are fine.
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Post by aztecgold on Dec 20, 2012 10:00:44 GMT -8
Houston, SMU, Boise State, San Diego State, BYU, Air Force/Nevada, UNLV, Fresno State Not a bad group of football teams if they can pull this off. This would make more sense. Not sure why they would want to invite Fresno and UNLV over teams like Nevada, BYU, Air Force, etc.
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