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Post by monty on Dec 19, 2012 16:42:41 GMT -8
Yoda, Fresno and UNLV are being talked to by the BE because BYU won't come and AFA has only been offered for football and would be a terrible all-sports add. Is that really so difficult to understand? No, but if BYU & USAFA won't come, then why would Fresno and UNLV? I'm not saying that they won't; I just don't know why they would. Yoda out... . Fresno is really going to stay in a conference locked into a godawful tv deal with godawful teams and markets because Air Force is there? why?
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Post by RockNFish on Dec 19, 2012 16:43:53 GMT -8
Yoda, Fresno and UNLV are being talked to by the BE because BYU won't come and AFA has only been offered for football and would be a terrible all-sports add. Is that really so difficult to understand? No, but if BYU & USAFA won't come, then why would Fresno and UNLV? I'm not saying that they won't; I just don't know why they would. Yoda out... . $
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Post by RB Aztec on Dec 19, 2012 16:44:46 GMT -8
Also, I'm not sure how Fresno / UNLV could go just football to Big East. They can't keep their other sports in the MWC and while the Big West would be a great spot for both, is there enough value to the Big West to have SDSU/UNLV/Fresno/Boise for a year or two until they all move to the Big East in all sports (which would seem likely). That is exactly what I was thinking. They need to quickly expand to all sports. The BW would not want to take them on for a year or 2.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 16:49:53 GMT -8
Yoda, Fresno and UNLV are being talked to by the BE because BYU won't come and AFA has only been offered for football and would be a terrible all-sports add. Is that really so difficult to understand? No, but if BYU & USAFA won't come, then why would Fresno and UNLV? I'm not saying that they won't; I just don't know why they would. Yoda out... . BYU is probably waiting for a more beautiful suitor (B12?) Plus until the TV $$$ issue is resolved they won't know if the BE move nets them more $. AFA seems to indicate loyalty as the main reason to stay. But if they get the feeling that UNLV and Fresno are going to jump ship, maybe they will too? But if the move is to eventually go to all sports Fresno and UNLV do make more sense then AFA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 16:52:05 GMT -8
Yoda, Fresno and UNLV are being talked to by the BE because BYU won't come and AFA has only been offered for football and would be a terrible all-sports add. Is that really so difficult to understand? No, but if BYU & USAFA won't come, then why would Fresno and UNLV? I'm not saying that they won't; I just don't know why they would. Because Fresno and UNLV do not stand in the shoes of BYU and AFA. AFA can barely compete in Olympic sports in the MWC so reportedly turned down an offer to join the B12. AFA isn't going to be an all-sports offer from the BE. As to BYU, they earn a reported $1M for each football game televised by ESPN. In other words, $6M-$7M per year in TV money as an independent. So BYU wasn't motivated to join the BE for football only even when Rutgers and Louisville were still in. The regular if-BYU-will-join posts to the BE board are therefore as pathetic as the if-Boise-and-SDSU-stay-in posts are on the MW board. In sum, Fresno and UNLV will join because (1) BE members will earn five times as much in TV revenue as MWC members and (2) because the MWC is slowly but surely going the way of the WAC.
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Post by Cwag on Dec 19, 2012 16:58:03 GMT -8
Yeah, good luck with that! Negotiations, I'm told, are going very well. Well enough? Who knows? Yoda I'd hate to have you in the same conference.... ;D Yoda out... .
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 19, 2012 17:44:57 GMT -8
Per Sterk , SDSU is going forward to BE, have been in constant contact with BSU. But if for some reason BSU would go back to the MW , Aztecs do not see that in their future. He was asked if he was trying to talk to the BYU AD about joining the BE. Comment ,they have been asked. This morning the radio announcer that does the BYU games was asked about BYU being an Independent for football. One of his comments, it is very difficult to schedule games in November , most teams are in the middle or stretch drive for their confernce play. Not easy to get good teams to play you, unless you do a one home and two or three at their place. In addition to scheduling difficulties in November they are having trouble getting home and homes. They are scheduling 2 for 1's for some teams like Notre Dame. Few high profile schools want to travel to Provo and play at a disadvantage. He also mentioned that the fans miss playing for a conference title. That makes a lot of sense because if you lose 1-2 games (likely must go undefeated with a great OOC schedule) it is over as far as national title and big bowls go. Rivalries are also important to establish. He noted that Utah, BYU's true rival, will not be on the schedule next year (and likely not on a consistent basis). One thing he didn't mention is that BYU, and any other Independent, will have zero access to the Big $$$ bowls without conference affiliation. Unless of course you make the top 4 in the new national ranking model. One of BYU's primary missions is getting exposure and spreading the word of the LDS. If this new national conference can help them do that they will certainly consider it IMO. However, I won't pretend to understand what the thought process is of BYU's LDS leaders.
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Dec 19, 2012 17:49:23 GMT -8
top 55 markets westSDSU Houston SMU UNLV Fresno (possible: UNM, and then if anyone came west from the east) East (cincy, uconn - 1 or both are likely placeholders) Memphis Tulane UCF USF Navy The point is you drop the backwater teams in the mwc and cusa, so, yes, it's cusa4.0 or the alliance 2.0 but without schools in the middle of nowhere, it can be televised all day long, etc. Money won't be huge, but will be a nice raise, and as long as Fox is involved in some aspect, I expect us to get a very nice 3rd tier contract with them Adding the 4th most popular schools in major markets doesn't add value. Nobody in Texas cares about Houston or SMU basketball. Memphis is the best of the bunch, and they're the 3rd most popular team in Memphis. The C7 will be lucky to get much more than a million a year, the MWCUSA basketball schools would be lucky to get 3/4 of a million, and that would be primarily because Of SDSU, UNLV, and BYU. UCF, Navy, USF, East Carolina, and Tulane add nothing to BBall revenue. Joining with them just to be able to play Memphis doesn't make any sense, and won't make any money.
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Post by monty on Dec 19, 2012 17:53:33 GMT -8
memphis draws 17k in bball, man, those other 2 teams must be impressive.
You join all sports because you align with better schools than you are currently with. The Big East has been, and the successor, The Big Vacation will be a feeder conference.
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Post by jdgaucho on Dec 19, 2012 18:03:23 GMT -8
BW adds Fresno or UNLV (not both) for one/two years and the University of Denver who then becomes a core member. Win-win for all.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Dec 19, 2012 18:05:37 GMT -8
and mwc is trying to negoiciate with cbs about their contract Successful negotiations for the MWC: MWC: Can you give us more money? CBS: No. MWC: Can you give us our third-tier rights so we can sell games to your competitors? CBS: No. MWC: Then can you promise not to pick up that option for 2019, so we can go out on the open market in three years? CBS: No. MWC: Well, can I have that pen? CBS: ... what? MWC: The one on your desk. With the CBS logo on it. CBS: Um ... I guess? MWC: YESSSSSSS! I luld until I stopped.
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Post by bschmurda on Dec 19, 2012 18:12:08 GMT -8
Why would UNLV come?
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Post by aztech on Dec 19, 2012 18:14:33 GMT -8
You mean the two most vocal members who shamefully tried their damnest to get invited elsewhere which embarrassed the BE? Meanwhile, they have nowhere to go and if they're short timers then why the hell would their opposition hold any value? UConn and Cincinnati have the most valuable TV brand, that's why. IIRC, both have two men's hoops national championships, Cincinnati has won a BCS bowl game and UConn is just a hop, skip and a jump from ESPN's headquarters. So both are potentially valuable while the nBE is attempting to renegotiate its TV deal. Satisfying them enough to keep them from bad mouthing the conference on their way out the door would therefore be a good idea. The last time a conference placated a couple of teams at that conference's expense was Utah & BYU in the MWC. So much for the MTN when they split. So now, you're hinting the BE TV deal will be negotiated without an all sports West division because UConn and Cincinnati doesn't want it. If they expect to maintain the hybrids then you can bet BSU will negotiate some kind of tier settlement with the MWC for 2014 and you know what that'll mean for us.
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Post by Cwag on Dec 19, 2012 18:16:09 GMT -8
IF UNLV leaves the MWC their fans wil revolt as they love that conference and never want to leave......or we will see the doors swinging behind them as they run out!
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 19, 2012 18:17:30 GMT -8
BW adds Fresno or UNLV (not both) for one/two years and the University of Denver who then becomes a core member. Win-win for all. I don't think Fresno or UNLV play a day in the Big West. In 2015 they will be all sport members along with SDSU & Boise State along with 1-2 other schools still to be determined. In 2014, Fresno & UNLV will play in the MWC for one more year and SDSU & Boise State will play in the Big East and Big West for 1 year. Once 2015 comes the new national all sports conference (official name TBD) will officially be formed and the C7 will likely retain the Big East name.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 19, 2012 18:18:20 GMT -8
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Post by Cwag on Dec 19, 2012 18:19:51 GMT -8
BW adds Fresno or UNLV (not both) for one/two years and the University of Denver who then becomes a core member. Win-win for all. I don't think Fresno or UNLV play a day in the Big West. In 2015 they will be all sport members along with SDSU & Boise State along with 1-2 other schools still to be determined. In 2014, Fresno & UNLV will play in the MWC for one more year and SDSU & Boise State will play in the Big East and Big West for 1 year. Once 2015 comes the new national all sports conference (official name TBD) will officially be formed and the C7 will likely retain the Big East name. How about Best Conference for Sports or BCS?
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Post by bschmurda on Dec 19, 2012 18:20:26 GMT -8
Because they value Basketball over football, by a lot
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 19, 2012 18:32:34 GMT -8
Because they value Basketball over football, by a lot Interesting article. blogs.rgj.com/packblog/2012/12/19/report-unlv-fresno-state-contacted-by-big-east/"If UNLV or Nevada were interested in pursuing any such opportunity it would have to go through the Board of Regents. The board policy was recently changed to amend that the board has to be involved in realignment decisions." "Nevada athletic director Cary Groth said the Big East has not contacted the Wolf Pack and that Nevada would not be interested if it did. She also said she would "be surprised" if UNLV left the Mountain West for the Big East." "We're in a pretty good position in the Mountain West," she said. "The Big East is in a pretty interesting position right now. I haven't talked to (UNLV athletic director Jim Livengood), but that's a decision for them and the Board of Regents to make. And remember the Board of Regents wants the two schools in the same conference." Thank God Nevada is not interested! Interesting about the Board of Regents wanting the 2 schools together. Still, if Fresno was in, that is one more team that weakens the MWC. If BYU does accept then UNLV, and the Board of Regents, would be foolish not to accept the invite... Big If. I also found it interesting that UNLV denied having any contact with the Big East; someone is not being entirely truthfull... Hmmmm, who could that be?
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Post by azteccc on Dec 19, 2012 18:33:20 GMT -8
Because they value Basketball over football, by a lot but remember?? according to a few people here the mountain west means death to football and basketball will have to leave to the BW anyway!!
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