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Post by socialsdsu on Dec 19, 2012 15:19:35 GMT -8
Yesterday: the beat of sports @thebeatofsports While Catholic 7 think about who to invite, Mike Aresco has no shortage of schools interested in his western plan...several contacting him Today: the beat of sports @thebeatofsports Stand by our earlier reports that Aresco talks with western schools is not just football only. MWC would not allow non-fb members the beat of sports @thebeatofsports Aresco's west plan isn't just fb but to add bb schools to strengthen league. Targets UNLV, BYU, N. Mexico do that along w/SDSU,in for fb now Is he saying they are looking at adding teams for all sports then asking SDSU to join in all sports? or what?
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Post by jdgaucho on Dec 19, 2012 15:20:56 GMT -8
What happens to AFA? do they join the hypothetical MWCUSA?
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Post by aztech on Dec 19, 2012 15:25:09 GMT -8
If roomers are accurate, Boise and SDSU will still be joining only for football initially. The BE bigshots are going to be UConn and Cincinnati going forward and it's apparent they're very opposed to creating an all-sports West.You mean the two most vocal members who shamefully tried their damnest to get invited elsewhere which embarrassed the BE? Meanwhile, they have nowhere to go and if they're short timers then why the hell would their opposition hold any value? In the grand scheme of things they're just 2 dogs in the kennel with loud barks, hoping for adoption. Me thinks an all sports West division will be created no later than 2015, after all the malcontents are gone. However it wouldn't surprise me if those two are forced to be here since we'll likely be rid of hybrids.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Dec 19, 2012 15:25:32 GMT -8
This seems like a no brainer for all the parties involved. Boise, BYU, SDSU, UNLV & Fresno should all be in the same league and be working together. The Big East (or whatever it will be called) currently represents the best opportunity to maximize TV dollars and create a competitive league. It also accomplishes the objective of establishing a national conference and paves the way for a future western all sports division.
I really hope it happens and like I said a couple days ago...the biggest haters of our move would be thanking us soon enough when they join us. In this scenario the only program getting left behind that matters at all would be New Mexico hoops, but I'm sure they will be fine as the Gonzaga of what would be left of the MWC and they might actually win some football games in that league.
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Post by laaztec on Dec 19, 2012 15:27:56 GMT -8
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Dec 19, 2012 15:31:20 GMT -8
I started this thread on the Realignment Board 6 months ago. I highlighted why Fresno, UNLV, and Hawaii were excellent choices for the BE. Lotta "haters" back then. csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=578766If roomers are accurate, Boise and SDSU will still be joining only for football initially. The BE bigshots are going to be UConn and Cincinnati going forward and it's apparent they're very opposed to creating an all-sports West. Fine, we'll agree to continue to go for football only right now, but we'll demand the creation of an all-sports West once those two schools leave. The rest of the newbies simply need the two of us too badly not to agree with that. And when they do, I'd just as soon add Hawaii. I won't bother with all the reasons the Warriors would be a good add but on the whole, Hawaii is an improvement over UNM, CSU, Nevada or any of the other members of the nMWC. Make the western division this: Boise BYU UNM UNLV Fresno SDSU Hawaii Leave SJSU and all the small town members of the nMWC to have their own 12-member conference (with UTEP and Tulsa) composed of members located in metro areas which collectively have considerably less population than just us seven. Leave worthless Tulane behind and this would be the eastern division: Temple ECU Houston SMU Memphis UCF USF I like this scenario, but I would rather have Houston and SMU in the West and not add Hawaii. The east could then add Umass and some other emerging east coast program in a large market.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 15:52:24 GMT -8
If roomers are accurate, Boise and SDSU will still be joining only for football initially. The BE bigshots are going to be UConn and Cincinnati going forward and it's apparent they're very opposed to creating an all-sports West.You mean the two most vocal members who shamefully tried their damnest to get invited elsewhere which embarrassed the BE? Meanwhile, they have nowhere to go and if they're short timers then why the hell would their opposition hold any value? UConn and Cincinnati have the most valuable TV brand, that's why. IIRC, both have two men's hoops national championships, Cincinnati has won a BCS bowl game and UConn is just a hop, skip and a jump from ESPN's headquarters. So both are potentially valuable while the nBE is attempting to renegotiate its TV deal. Satisfying them enough to keep them from bad mouthing the conference on their way out the door would therefore be a good idea.
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Post by monty on Dec 19, 2012 15:53:20 GMT -8
Yesterday: the beat of sports @thebeatofsports While Catholic 7 think about who to invite, Mike Aresco has no shortage of schools interested in his western plan...several contacting him Today: the beat of sports @thebeatofsports Stand by our earlier reports that Aresco talks with western schools is not just football only. MWC would not allow non-fb members the beat of sports @thebeatofsports Aresco's west plan isn't just fb but to add bb schools to strengthen league. Targets UNLV, BYU, N. Mexico do that along w/SDSU,in for fb now Is he saying they are looking at adding teams for all sports then asking SDSU to join in all sports? or what? Yes, SDSU basketball will be the centerpiece and pivot of the new conference he foresees. Source yes, speculating no RT @basketballj0nes Do you have a source that says Aresco wants to add BB as well, or are you speculating? twitter.com/thebeatofsports
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Dec 19, 2012 15:55:21 GMT -8
If roomers are accurate, Boise and SDSU will still be joining only for football initially. The BE bigshots are going to be UConn and Cincinnati going forward and it's apparent they're very opposed to creating an all-sports West. Fine, we'll agree to continue to go for football only right now, but we'll demand the creation of an all-sports West once those two schools leave. The rest of the newbies simply need the two of us too badly not to agree with that. And when they do, I'd just as soon add Hawaii. Boise BYU UNLV Fresno SDSU HawaiiSorry, but without UCONN and Cincy the value of an All Sports Big East is less than the value of being BE for football only and Basketball/Olympic sports with the above bolded teams added to the Big West. The focus of SDSU and Boise should be to get as much of the Big East revenue as possible allocated to Football members, then turn the Big West into a premier BBall conference through the addition of BYU and UNLV, who are already good, hoping Fresno becomes good, and giving some of the smaller schools the ultimatum to improve their arena and team support, or be asked to leave the conference. SDSU UNLV BYU Hawaii Fresno Long Beach UCSB UC Irvine Boise St Is a pretty good start to a Bball conference. Beats joining with the Big East who will have Memphis, Temple, and an occasionally decent Houston with a bunch of dogs. Invite Gonzaga as well since they apparently aren't totally wedded to the WCC.
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Post by socialsdsu on Dec 19, 2012 15:56:11 GMT -8
I would have to think having an all sports conference for the New Big East is what has to happen. That would be a pretty good western division for TV. All Sports is way better than splitting everything up. Big West is good for all sports but basketball, but that is about it. fixed it for you
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 15:59:34 GMT -8
Boise BYU UNM UNLV Fresno SDSU Hawaii Leave SJSU and all the small town members of the nMWC to have their own 12-member conference (with UTEP and Tulsa) composed of members located in metro areas which collectively have considerably less population than just us seven. Leave worthless Tulane behind and this would be the eastern division: Temple ECU Houston SMU Memphis UCF USF I like this scenario, but I would rather have Houston and SMU in the West and not add Hawaii. The east could then add Umass and some other emerging east coast program in a large market. The fans of those schools seem to have an inflated opinion of the value of Southern football. They seem to love UTSA and even like Tulane and seem to prefer being in a division with them. So rather than a national conference, they seem to be inclined toward the thinking of UConn and Cincinnati. In other words, hold firm to SDSU and Boise for football only while adding another couple football only western members and if four of us won't agree to that, to just let SDSU and Boise stay in the MWC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 16:01:17 GMT -8
01grad, with due respect, you're very naive.
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Post by fatmanaztec on Dec 19, 2012 16:02:51 GMT -8
^^^^^^^^^^ SGF...you are too kind
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 16:05:24 GMT -8
^^^^^^^^^^ SGF...you are too kind Just feeling like an old softy today in anticipation of tomorrow's thrashing of YBU.
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Post by Yoda on Dec 19, 2012 16:10:37 GMT -8
The thing about this that troubles me is why? They apparently wanted BYU & USAFA. Are they just talking to Fresno and UNLV to try and light a fire under their preferred schools or are they serious about these latest two? And if BYU and USAFA have said "No", then are Fresno and UNLV going to say "Yes"? If the MWC puts up a united front -- a pre-arranged "No" -- then do Boise and SDSU come back because the BE can't create a true western division?
I don't have a clue what is going on but "talking to" ain't inviting and it ain't accepting...
Yoda out...
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Dec 19, 2012 16:23:08 GMT -8
01grad, with due respect, you're very naive. Believe what you'd like, but you just created C-USA, which was always worthless in TV terms, and even now is being paid the equivalent of the pittance that SDSU and Boise left the MWC for. Renaming those teams the BE doesn't make them more valuable. Joining for football makes sense just to escape the front range schools, but joining for basketball should be a last resort.
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Post by k5james on Dec 19, 2012 16:27:11 GMT -8
The thing about this that troubles me is why? They apparently wanted BYU & USAFA. Are they just talking to Fresno and UNLV to try and light a fire under their preferred schools or are they serious about these latest two? And if BYU and USAFA have said "No", then are Fresno and UNLV going to say "Yes"? If the MWC puts up a united front -- a pre-arranged "No" -- then do Boise and SDSU come back because the BE can't create a true western division? I don't have a clue what is going on but "talking to" ain't inviting and it ain't accepting... Yoda out... .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 16:32:32 GMT -8
01grad, with due respect, you're very naive. Believe what you'd like, but you just created C-USA, which was always worthless in TV terms, and even now is being paid the equivalent of the pittance that SDSU and Boise left the MWC for. Renaming those teams the BE doesn't make them more valuable. Joining for football makes sense just to escape the front range schools, but joining for basketball should be a last resort. So let's see. Because we don't want to create CUSA2.0, we won't do so and we'll just kick out the lousy BigLots schools who are already in and allow BYU to join the Big Lots when it's refused to join the Big East? Sorry but I don't think it's quite that simple. Yoda, Fresno and UNLV are being talked to by the BE because BYU won't come and AFA has only been offered for football and would be a terrible all-sports add. Is that really so difficult to understand?
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Post by Yoda on Dec 19, 2012 16:39:06 GMT -8
Yoda, Fresno and UNLV are being talked to by the BE because BYU won't come and AFA has only been offered for football and would be a terrible all-sports add. Is that really so difficult to understand? No, but if BYU & USAFA won't come, then why would Fresno and UNLV? I'm not saying that they won't; I just don't know why they would. Yoda out... .
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Post by monty on Dec 19, 2012 16:41:41 GMT -8
top 55 markets west SDSU Houston SMU UNLV Fresno
(possible: UNM, and then if anyone came west from the east)
East (cincy, uconn - 1 or both are likely placeholders) Memphis Tulane UCF USF Navy
The point is you drop the backwater teams in the mwc and cusa, so, yes, it's cusa4.0 or the alliance 2.0 but without schools in the middle of nowhere, it can be televised all day long, etc. Money won't be huge, but will be a nice raise, and as long as Fox is involved in some aspect, I expect us to get a very nice 3rd tier contract with them
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