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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 15:04:03 GMT -8
23/9 vs. NC State how is that? Imagine if he showed up in the 2nd half... instead of disappearing. Heck, if Taps didn't feed him two beautiful passes he wouldn't have made a field goal in the second half. First and Second team all-americans don't vanish when the biggest game of the year is on the line. LOL so he had 19 in the 1st half? Sounds pretty damn impressive. lol But you're right. Shame on him for tanking it in the 2nd half. He cost us the game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 15:06:32 GMT -8
Stop comparing Jamaal and Chase. They are both great players and we aren't doing much of anything without either of them.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses. This is silly.
BBA has argued with literally dozens and dozens and dozens of posters on here about Jamaal, you are not going to change his mind. He thinks Jamaal is going to be a top 10 player in the NBA one day. Which is fine, that's his opinion. The more you argue with him the more he posts. If you want him to go away then stop responding to him.
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 18, 2012 15:07:23 GMT -8
Imagine if he showed up in the 2nd half... instead of disappearing. Heck, if Taps didn't feed him two beautiful passes he wouldn't have made a field goal in the second half. First and Second team all-americans don't vanish when the biggest game of the year is on the line. LOL so he had 19 in the 1st half? Sounds pretty damn impressive. lol But you're right. Shame on him for tanking it in the 2nd half. He cost us the game. 2012 Honorable Mention AP All-Americans: Harrison Barnes, North Carolina Will Barton, Memphis Julian Boyd, LIU Brooklyn Ryan Broekhoff, Valparaiso De'Mon Brooks, Davidson Trey Burke, Michigan Deonte Burton, Nevada Torrey Craig, S.C.-Upstate Paul Crosby, Mississippi Valley State Matthew Dellavedova, Saint Mary's LaRon Dendy, Middle Tennessee Matt Dickey, UNC Asheville Jamaal Franklin, San Diego State Jorge Gutierrez, California John Henson, North Carolina Robbie Hummel, Purdue Pierre Jackson, Baylor Darius Johnson-Odom, Marquette Perry Jones III, Baylor Kris Joseph, Syracuse Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut Scott Machado, Iona C. J. McCollum, Lehigh Dominique Morrison, Oral Roberts Mike Moser, UNLV Andrew Nicholson, St. Bonaventure Kyle O'Quinn, Norfolk State Darryl Partin, Boston University Ryan Pearson, George Mason Mason Plumlee, Duke Patrick Richard, McNeese State Austin Rivers, Duke Zack Rosen, Pennsylvania Mike Scott, Virginia John Shurna, Northwestern Jordan Taylor, Wisconsin Dion Waiters, Syracuse Casper Ware, Long Beach State Mitchell Watt, Buffalo Royce White, Iowa State Isaiah Wilkerson, NJIT Nate Wolters, South Dakota State Cody Zeller, Indiana
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 15:11:54 GMT -8
Stop comparing Jamaal and Chase. They are both great players and we aren't doing much of anything without either of them. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. This is silly. BBA has argued with literally dozens and dozens and dozens of posters on here about Jamaal, you are not going to change his mind. He thinks Jamaal is going to be a top 10 player in the NBA one day. Which is fine, that's his opinion. The more you argue with him the more he posts. If you want him to go away then stop responding to him. I agree. Put the Chase/Jamaal debates to rest. One is an All American Naismith candidate, the other might be the team MVP (all things considered). Who said anything about wanting him to go away? I'm the MVP of this board. Who wants to blog and make comments strictly on things they already agree with? That would be boring a hell. This board needs me. Appreciate me damit! For the record, I don't think Jamaal will be a Top 10 NBA player any time soon. I see him as a 6th man of the year type of talent on the right team. But as far as College is concerned, it's going to be damn hard to find a better player than Jamaal this season.
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Post by nonpostpete on Aug 18, 2012 15:41:04 GMT -8
He's 6'8 and he still isn't that good. He has to make vast improvements to surpass Polee and O'Brien in the line up. I just don't see that happening. One thing I have trouble understanding is the purpose behind a fan of a team (this is assuming BBA is currently an Aztecs hoops fan, at least while Jamaal is on squad) devoting considerable time and effort on this fan message board to knocking a player on the team. What is the benefit? I can see making a comment such as ("fans should not get over-excited by Winston because he still has some work to do to develop his game, just like Jamaal did his freshman season"). Fine. But, repeating over and again that Winston is not very good or that the only thing going for him is that he is tall or that he doesn't pass well or defend well, etc., etc., is not only pointless but truly negative and trollish. Interestingly, BBA is correct about one thing, Winston is special because of his length. What separates him is his ability to handle the ball so well for a player of his size, while still being a strong defender and rebounder. Winston showed in several games for Findlay that he can put the ball on the floor and drive through traffic to slam it home. He can also use that ability to draw the defense and drop it to another player or to grab a rebound and start the fast break. His ballhandling skills don't make him better at passing or ballhandling than a guard or wing who does the same things, but they do make him more versatile than other 6' 8" players without such skills and because of his length/height, he has advantages over shorter players who don't provide the same defensive flexibility. At least BBA has taken the time to sing the praises of Matt Shrigley. Kudos for that. Let's try to stop tearing down Aztec players before the season even starts. BBA...it would be great if you could stick to projecting Jamaal's brilliance and building up any other players who you like (seems to be DeShawn and Matt at this time) on the team, while refraining from tearing down the players you don't like. But, that's just me. I personally hope they all have world-beater seasons or, more realistically, each take another step toward reaching their potential.
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Post by azteccc on Aug 18, 2012 15:52:01 GMT -8
I bet winstons freshman season is far superior to jamaals freshman season.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 15:57:51 GMT -8
I'm not trying to bring down anyone. I've sang the praises of all those I deem praise worthy. Jamaal, Chase, X, Deshawn, O'Brien, Polee, Shrigley, and even James Rahon. I call it how I see it. I'm not sold on Winston's game at all. He doesn't have any legit College level attribute that makes me a believer. We are stacked at the wing positions. Winston's hope for playing time is to somehow beat out Deshawn, JJ, or Dwayne. I don't see that happening for him.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 16:02:52 GMT -8
Depth Chart: Pg: X, Chase, Jamaal, LBF
Wings: Jamaal, Chase, Rahon, Dwayne, Matt, JJ, Winston
Post: Deshawn, Jamaal, Johnson, Spencer, JJ, Dwayne, Winston
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Post by uncledougy on Aug 18, 2012 16:36:11 GMT -8
I disagree. LBF doesn't have to "somehow get better than X." This would only be the case if he were to supplant X as the starting PG, and I don't think anyone is expecting that to be the case. But as I understand it, LBF was always viewed as being in a similar mould as DJ, i.e., a smart player and a good game manager. Which BTW presents a good example of a team - ranked what, #3 in the country at one point? - with a very athletic frontcourt but who owed a good deal of its success to DJ's play at the 1-spot. I think LBF's continued development is crucial, and that his play off the bench will be almost as important a contribution this season as JayRay's. I have no doubt we will have the horses to go hard in the low post for forty. Let the guys like Maal and Polee go full throttle - that's when they are at their best IMO. But this ain't NASCAR - you have to change gears now and then... LBF is no where near as good as DJ on either side of the ball. We have way too much wing talent for X and LBF to be on the court at the same time. X will play 28-30 mpg, which means LBF will get the left over 10 if he's playing well. He won't have a huge role for us. LBF looks so overmatched on the court. Like a deer in the headlights. unless he improved a ton over the summer his only game action will be when we have such a big lead, nobody could screw it up.
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Post by uncledougy on Aug 18, 2012 16:41:09 GMT -8
What little I have seen of Winston and Shrigley, I saw WS as being a much better talent, but again, I only saw a couple games of each. I also see Shep improving a ton during his frosh season. He might make everyone forget about Kawhi when its all said and done.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 17:07:25 GMT -8
What little I have seen of Winston and Shrigley, I saw WS as being a much better talent, but again, I only saw a couple games of each. I also see Shep improving a ton during his frosh season. He might make everyone forget about Kawhi when its all said and done. Shepard is not even in the same Galaxy as Kawhi in terms of talent. If Shepard can handle sitting the bench playing 10-15 mpg his frosh year, he may develop into a respectable player in the years to come. Not an NBA talent by any estimation.
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Post by sleeveless on Aug 18, 2012 17:45:49 GMT -8
Of course a kid with this much natural talent may just improve his all around game over the next few years with top notch D1 coaching. How about we give him a chance and see how high his star rises? His greatest natural talent is his size. If he was 6'5 instead of 6'8, he wouldn't even be D1. This is the dumbest comment in the history of this board.
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Post by northcountymike on Aug 18, 2012 20:13:47 GMT -8
What little I have seen of Winston and Shrigley, I saw WS as being a much better talent, but again, I only saw a couple games of each. I also see Shep improving a ton during his frosh season. He might make everyone forget about Kawhi when its all said and done. Shepard is not even in the same Galaxy as Kawhi in terms of talent. If Shepard can handle sitting the bench playing 10-15 mpg his frosh year, he may develop into a respectable player in the years to come. Not an NBA talent by any estimation. Wow - that sounds very much like Jamaal. Remember? He didn't play much his freshman year...so what was it? Coach Fisher didn't realize how gifted he was? Was Jamaal just not good enough? Didn't Jamaal just need a chance to show what he could do? Sounds an awful lot like it....you've said that before and I know you meant it. So why not with Shepard? Shouldn't Fish give him a shot? Or is he not worthy of it? I guess not, especially since he may be a threat to the subject of your restraining order.
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Post by northcountymike on Aug 18, 2012 20:18:24 GMT -8
I like Shrigley but this post is full of bull$#!+ and inaccuracies, anyone that has seen Shepard play and has a clue about basketball knows he is an elite defender, there isn't a simple question about it, he slowed down Shabazz and Jabari 2 of the 3 best high school players at the time. Your agenda to try to push down Shepard just because he is taking a bit of attention away from Jamaal is simply put; pathetic and laughable. Jamaal doesn't need more attention lol. I'm trying to lower the expectations for Winston because when the season comes and he's not living up to half the hype, this board is going to crucify him. Then leave...
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Aug 18, 2012 21:04:19 GMT -8
I disagree. LBF doesn't have to "somehow get better than X." This would only be the case if he were to supplant X as the starting PG, and I don't think anyone is expecting that to be the case. But as I understand it, LBF was always viewed as being in a similar mould as DJ, i.e., a smart player and a good game manager. Which BTW presents a good example of a team - ranked what, #3 in the country at one point? - with a very athletic frontcourt but who owed a good deal of its success to DJ's play at the 1-spot. I think LBF's continued development is crucial, and that his play off the bench will be almost as important a contribution this season as JayRay's. I have no doubt we will have the horses to go hard in the low post for forty. Let the guys like Maal and Polee go full throttle - that's when they are at their best IMO. But this ain't NASCAR - you have to change gears now and then... LBF is no where near as good as DJ on either side of the ball. We have way too much wing talent for X and LBF to be on the court at the same time. X will play 28-30 mpg, which means LBF will get the left over 10 if he's playing well. He won't have a huge role for us. Not sure where I inferred that X and LBF would be on the court "at the same time" - kind of hard to imagine consdiering their both PGs. But yes, he will log some minutes at PG when X is on the bench, and yes, it is important that when he does we don't see a signifcant drop off in game management from the 1-spot. But that wasn't my point. At all.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 21:22:49 GMT -8
LBF is no where near as good as DJ on either side of the ball. We have way too much wing talent for X and LBF to be on the court at the same time. X will play 28-30 mpg, which means LBF will get the left over 10 if he's playing well. He won't have a huge role for us. Not sure where I inferred that X and LBF would be on the court "at the same time" - kind of hard to imagine consdiering their both PGs. But yes, he will log some minutes at PG when X is on the bench, and yes, it is important that when he does we don't see a signifcant drop off in game management from the 1-spot. But that wasn't my point. At all. If LBF can give us 10 solid mins per game, I'm good with that.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 18, 2012 21:35:38 GMT -8
23/9 vs. NC State how is that? Imagine if he showed up in the 2nd half... instead of disappearing. Heck, if Taps didn't feed him two beautiful passes he wouldn't have made a field goal in the second half. First and Second team all-americans don't vanish when the biggest game of the year is on the line. I'm sure you can find MANY 1st and 2nd teamers that had a bad game in the biggest. You're really reaching here though. Heck he had 23/9!!!! If he doesn't have the big first half, we really would have been buried. Sure, they were able to take Jamaal out of the game offensively in the second half, but remember, not only did he do other things well during the second half, but by having such a great first half, it opened things up for Chase, and he knocked them down.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2012 21:41:01 GMT -8
I thought I understood and had a grasp on stupid, but then BBA spoke and redefined it for me. Wow.
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Post by ivotedtosavemonty on Aug 18, 2012 22:04:20 GMT -8
Shepard is not even in the same Galaxy as Kawhi in terms of talent. If Shepard can handle sitting the bench playing 10-15 mpg his frosh year, he may develop into a respectable player in the years to come. Not an NBA talent by any estimation. Wow - that sounds very much like Jamaal. Remember? He didn't play much his freshman year...so what was it? Coach Fisher didn't realize how gifted he was? Was Jamaal just not good enough? Didn't Jamaal just need a chance to show what he could do? Sounds an awful lot like it....you've said that before and I know you meant it. So why not with Shepard? Shouldn't Fish give him a shot? Or is he not worthy of it? I guess not, especially since he may be a threat to the subject of your restraining order.
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Post by Gilbert on Aug 18, 2012 22:50:08 GMT -8
Shepard's defense was Box and 1, not man to man. Findlay had so much other talent in that zone, all Shepard had to do was use his size to play shadow defense. Chase Tapley led the team in shot attempts per game last season. If Jamaal is a black hole, then what do you call Tapley? The best offensive players SHOULD BE taking the most shots. That's basketball. If you look at every team in high level basketball, you'll see a few players taking the bulk of the teams shots. You know a box and 1 (which they didn't play the whole game by the way) still has Shepard playing man defense on the top recruit in the country yes? Did we get an answer to this question or can we assume you have conceded the shadow defense comment.
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