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Post by bearfoot on Aug 17, 2012 20:08:11 GMT -8
I think Rahon is in a prime spot now. He will be given a lot less burden, and with it a lot more freedom. Though his minutes will decrease, I expect his productivity/minute to be greatly increased. And that foot feeling better is gonna do a lot for him as well. Expect some very high-level play out of him in stretches. Ah ha, the first mention of rest. I think we will see different results from many players next season. All, especially the guards, will get more rest. James, and X dealt with nagging injuries most of last season. Hopefully, our guys will have more time to recover if they do get hurt. Certain players (you know who) will have to sit after brain farts, so unless there is much more growth, he will have fewer minutes than last season.
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Post by azteccc on Aug 17, 2012 20:48:31 GMT -8
when was the last mention of LBF? i'm looking for big things out of him this year.
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Post by insider on Aug 18, 2012 0:33:57 GMT -8
5th on the team in assist % last year. Not bad at all considering how much he shoots. If he can become a better passer and cut down on the turnovers the assists will for sure go up. I've never thought of him as an unwilling passer though at all. You don't get an assist unless the guy finishes the shot. How many times did we see Jamaal make a sweet pass only to see a blown layup or the guy get his shot blocked. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch of last season are well documented. It's hard to get assist when the guys you're most likely to get assist from are not finishing. Jamaal is an exceptional passer. He's a better passer than Winston Shepard who people seem to think is an elite distributor. Jamaal is not even close to the passer Winston is, not in anyway. And to answer the bold not often at all, he had very few assists blown.
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Post by insider on Aug 18, 2012 0:35:13 GMT -8
To put it simply Winston has 1 flaw his jumpshot is a bit below average for his position, he is an elite passer, elite defender, good rebounder, and has solid handles, in no way is he "overhyped".
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 9:01:41 GMT -8
To put it simply Winston has 1 flaw his jumpshot is a bit below average for his position, he is an elite passer, elite defender, good rebounder, and has solid handles, in no way is he "overhyped". I guess you'll be learning a lot about him when the season starts lol
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 10:57:00 GMT -8
Way too much attention is given to Shepard when Shrigley is the more polished player. The only thing elite about Shepard is that he's 6'8...other than that, he's an average defender, average passer, and below average offensive player. JJ O'Brien and Dwayne Polee are both better players short term and long term than Winston Shepard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 11:26:45 GMT -8
Way too much attention is given to Shepard when Shrigley is the more polished player. The only thing elite about Shepard is that he's 6'8...other than that, he's an average defender, average passer, and below average offensive player. JJ O'Brien and Dwayne Polee are both better players short term and long term than Winston Shepard. After you said that you would "bet anybody" that Jamaal would lead the team in assists I said I would take you up on that bet and you backed down. So how about this one, I will bet you that Winston gets more minutes and is overall more productive than Shrigley this year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 11:27:42 GMT -8
Way too much attention is given to Shepard I don't think you, of all people in the history of fan message boards, should be criticizing anyone else about giving too much attention to one individual player.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 11:37:29 GMT -8
Way too much attention is given to Shepard when Shrigley is the more polished player. The only thing elite about Shepard is that he's 6'8...other than that, he's an average defender, average passer, and below average offensive player. JJ O'Brien and Dwayne Polee are both better players short term and long term than Winston Shepard. After you said that you would "bet anybody" that Jamaal would lead the team in assists I said I would take you up on that bet and you backed down. So how about this one, I will bet you that Winston gets more minutes and is overall more productive than Shrigley this year. It's hard to bet someone I don't know. Winston will probably get the benefit of the doubt from the coaching staff early on because he's a 5 star recruit. When the dust settles, it'll be pretty obvious that Shrigley is the better all around player. And yes, Jamaal will lead the team in assist. If not, he'll be #2 behind X.
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Post by killiansc on Aug 18, 2012 11:40:43 GMT -8
X then Johnson
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 18, 2012 11:55:20 GMT -8
He'll lead the team in scoring AND assist. That's my prediction. Winston just isn't as good as he's hyped up to be. It makes no sense to praise a guy for a quality when it isn't even as good as the next guys who said to "need improvement" in that area. If I'm wrong about Winston and he does live up to 5 Stars, I'll be the 1st to admitt it. I hope i'm wrong. If Winston is as good as advertised, it'll only help Jamaal get easier scoring oppotunities. I'm just not sold, that's all. what are you basing your Winston analysis on?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 12:11:05 GMT -8
what are you basing your Winston analysis on?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 12:21:08 GMT -8
what are you basing your Winston analysis on? My analysis on Winston is from watching actual game tape from Findlay Prep. With their star-studed line up, Winston didn't have to do much for that team to be successful. Shrigley on the other hand carried his team. Winston gets credit for being the teams defensive stopper, and I'll give him credit for being 6'8 and being able to move his feet on the perimeter, but Findley Prep was playing Box & 1 on Shabazz. It wasn't like Winston was locking up Man to Man. Findlay Prep had so much talent that Winston was never in a situation where he HAD to play well in order for the team to win. His flaws for the most part went unexposed because the competition didn't have enough talent to match up across the board. He can make the fancy passes on the fast break, but he's not breaking defenders down in the half court and dropping dimes. If you watch the tape and tell me he has all around game, you're blind. He tries to be pretty but he doesn't know how to get down in the trenches and go to war. He has ZERO 1 on 1 moves off the dribble and no post game whatsoever. He can't shoot the ball. He travels on the perimeter when he tries to put the ball on the floor. He's a hustle player and a role player at best. He doesn't have the type of talent that can lead a team. He's a tool and a work in progress. "5 stars" puts the wrong type of expectation on the kid. My expectation of Shrigley, Polee, and O'brien are way higher than they are for Winston Shepard. Winston's only hope for success at SDSU is for SDSU to recruit enough talent so Winston can play the same type of role he played at Findlay Prep where his flaws can be hidden.
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Post by insider on Aug 18, 2012 12:56:13 GMT -8
To put it simply Winston has 1 flaw his jumpshot is a bit below average for his position, he is an elite passer, elite defender, good rebounder, and has solid handles, in no way is he "overhyped". I guess you'll be learning a lot about him when the season starts lol Oh no, I already know all about his game, but it seems you are the one that needs to do some learning on his game.
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Post by Gilbert on Aug 18, 2012 12:56:38 GMT -8
My analysis on Winston is from watching actual game tape from Findlay Prep. With their star-studed line up, Winston didn't have to do much for that team to be successful. Shrigley on the other hand carried his team. Winston gets credit for being the teams defensive stopper, and I'll give him credit for being 6'8 and being able to move his feet on the perimeter, but Findley Prep was playing Box & 1 on Shabazz. It wasn't like Winston was locking up Man to Man. Findlay Prep had so much talent that Winston was never in a situation where he HAD to play well in order for the team to win. His flaws for the most part went unexposed because the competition didn't have enough talent to match up across the board. He can make the fancy passes on the fast break, but he's not breaking defenders down in the half court and dropping dimes. If you watch the tape and tell me he has all around game, you're blind. He tries to be pretty but he doesn't know how to get down in the trenches and go to war. He has ZERO 1 on 1 moves off the dribble and no post game whatsoever. He can't shoot the ball. He travels on the perimeter when he tries to put the ball on the floor. He's a hustle player and a role player at best. He doesn't have the type of talent that can lead a team. He's a tool and a work in progress. "5 stars" puts the wrong type of expectation on the kid. My expectation of Shrigley, Polee, and O'brien are way higher than they are for Winston Shepard. Winston's only hope for success at SDSU is for SDSU to recruit enough talent so Winston can play the same type of role he played at Findlay Prep where his flaws can be hidden. Of course a kid with this much natural talent may just improve his all around game over the next few years with top notch D1 coaching. How about we give him a chance and see how high his star rises?
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Post by insider on Aug 18, 2012 12:58:35 GMT -8
Way too much attention is given to Shepard when Shrigley is the more polished player. The only thing elite about Shepard is that he's 6'8...other than that, he's an average defender, average passer, and below average offensive player. JJ O'Brien and Dwayne Polee are both better players short term and long term than Winston Shepard. I like Shrigley but this post is full of bull$#!+ and inaccuracies, anyone that has seen Shepard play and has a clue about basketball knows he is an elite defender, there isn't a simple question about it, he slowed down Shabazz and Jabari 2 of the 3 best high school players at the time. Your agenda to try to push down Shepard just because he is taking a bit of attention away from Jamaal is simply put; pathetic and laughable.
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Post by insider on Aug 18, 2012 13:02:47 GMT -8
My analysis on Winston is from watching actual game tape from Findlay Prep. With their star-studed line up, Winston didn't have to do much for that team to be successful. Shrigley on the other hand carried his team. Winston gets credit for being the teams defensive stopper, and I'll give him credit for being 6'8 and being able to move his feet on the perimeter, but Findley Prep was playing Box & 1 on Shabazz. It wasn't like Winston was locking up Man to Man. Findlay Prep had so much talent that Winston was never in a situation where he HAD to play well in order for the team to win. His flaws for the most part went unexposed because the competition didn't have enough talent to match up across the board. He can make the fancy passes on the fast break, but he's not breaking defenders down in the half court and dropping dimes. If you watch the tape and tell me he has all around game, you're blind. He tries to be pretty but he doesn't know how to get down in the trenches and go to war. He has ZERO 1 on 1 moves off the dribble and no post game whatsoever. He can't shoot the ball. He travels on the perimeter when he tries to put the ball on the floor. He's a hustle player and a role player at best. He doesn't have the type of talent that can lead a team. He's a tool and a work in progress. "5 stars" puts the wrong type of expectation on the kid. My expectation of Shrigley, Polee, and O'brien are way higher than they are for Winston Shepard. Winston's only hope for success at SDSU is for SDSU to recruit enough talent so Winston can play the same type of role he played at Findlay Prep where his flaws can be hidden. Again post full of agenda and inaccuracies when will you get a clue and understand the game of basketball? For someone that posts so much about basketball you would think they have a clue, but then we read your posts and you prove us wrong.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 13:04:01 GMT -8
My analysis on Winston is from watching actual game tape from Findlay Prep. With their star-studed line up, Winston didn't have to do much for that team to be successful. Shrigley on the other hand carried his team. Winston gets credit for being the teams defensive stopper, and I'll give him credit for being 6'8 and being able to move his feet on the perimeter, but Findley Prep was playing Box & 1 on Shabazz. It wasn't like Winston was locking up Man to Man. Findlay Prep had so much talent that Winston was never in a situation where he HAD to play well in order for the team to win. His flaws for the most part went unexposed because the competition didn't have enough talent to match up across the board. He can make the fancy passes on the fast break, but he's not breaking defenders down in the half court and dropping dimes. If you watch the tape and tell me he has all around game, you're blind. He tries to be pretty but he doesn't know how to get down in the trenches and go to war. He has ZERO 1 on 1 moves off the dribble and no post game whatsoever. He can't shoot the ball. He travels on the perimeter when he tries to put the ball on the floor. He's a hustle player and a role player at best. He doesn't have the type of talent that can lead a team. He's a tool and a work in progress. "5 stars" puts the wrong type of expectation on the kid. My expectation of Shrigley, Polee, and O'brien are way higher than they are for Winston Shepard. Winston's only hope for success at SDSU is for SDSU to recruit enough talent so Winston can play the same type of role he played at Findlay Prep where his flaws can be hidden. Of course a kid with this much natural talent may just improve his all around game over the next few years with top notch D1 coaching. How about we give him a chance and see how high his star rises? His greatest natural talent is his size. If he was 6'5 instead of 6'8, he wouldn't even be D1.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 13:05:35 GMT -8
Way too much attention is given to Shepard when Shrigley is the more polished player. The only thing elite about Shepard is that he's 6'8...other than that, he's an average defender, average passer, and below average offensive player. JJ O'Brien and Dwayne Polee are both better players short term and long term than Winston Shepard. I like Shrigley but this post is full of bull$#!+ and inaccuracies, anyone that has seen Shepard play and has a clue about basketball knows he is an elite defender, there isn't a simple question about it, he slowed down Shabazz and Jabari 2 of the 3 best high school players at the time. Your agenda to try to push down Shepard just because he is taking a bit of attention away from Jamaal is simply put; pathetic and laughable. Jamaal doesn't need more attention lol. I'm trying to lower the expectations for Winston because when the season comes and he's not living up to half the hype, this board is going to crucify him.
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 18, 2012 13:33:00 GMT -8
Way too much attention is given to Shepard when Shrigley is the more polished player. The only thing elite about Shepard is that he's 6'8...other than that, he's an average defender, average passer, and below average offensive player. JJ O'Brien and Dwayne Polee are both better players short term and long term than Winston Shepard. You just don't get more 'unpolished' than Polee and Stephens... yet you continue to slam Shep. If Polee didn't have a 40+ vertical there is no way in hell he would be an Aztec. Stephens... has almost no 'basketball' skill yet you sing his praises. Anybody who takes the 'spotlight' off of Jamaal is public enemy #1 in your book. It's great watching you make exaggerated claims and wanting to go to Vegas to make a killing on all your predictions... then you get called out on this board and you shrink away like George Costanza in a cold pool.
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