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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 17, 2012 14:36:43 GMT -8
5th on the team in assist % last year. Not bad at all considering how much he shoots. If he can become a better passer and cut down on the turnovers the assists will for sure go up. I've never thought of him as an unwilling passer though at all. You don't get an assist unless the guy finishes the shot. How many times did we see Jamaal make a sweet pass only to see a blown layup or the guy get his shot blocked. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch of last season are well documented. It's hard to get assist when the guys you're most likely to get assist from are not finishing. Jamaal is an exceptional passer. He's a better passer than Winston Shepard who people seem to think is an elite distributor.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 17, 2012 14:40:56 GMT -8
5th on the team in assist % last year. Not bad at all considering how much he shoots. If he can become a better passer and cut down on the turnovers the assists will for sure go up. I've never thought of him as an unwilling passer though at all. You don't get an assist unless the guy finishes the shot. How many times did we see Jamaal make a sweet pass only to see a blown layup or the guy get his shot blocked. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch of last season are well documented. It's hard to get assist when the guys you're most likely to get assist from are not finishing. Jamaal is an exceptional passer. He's a better passer than Winston Shepard who people seem to think is an elite distributor. Yea but the finishing assists thing tends to even out. Jamaal is a good passer, I'd like to see him cut down on the turnovers though. Tapley had a 15% assist % to a 10% TO %, I'd love to see Jamaal do something like that (he had a 11% assist and 16% TO last year.) I don't think Winston is an elite distributor, but he is a very good passer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 14:41:03 GMT -8
5th on the team in assist % last year. Not bad at all considering how much he shoots. If he can become a better passer and cut down on the turnovers the assists will for sure go up. I've never thought of him as an unwilling passer though at all. You don't get an assist unless the guy finishes the shot. How many times did we see Jamaal make a sweet pass only to see a blown layup or the guy get his shot blocked. Is this a question or a statement? If it's a question I'd be happy to answer it: Not that often. None that I can remember and I went to just about every game and watched the others on TV.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 17, 2012 14:41:17 GMT -8
I'd love to see a stat for how many passes led directly to a good shot attempt vs. how many of those shots were converted. If you have a guy that makes 10 "shot worthy" passes per game, it doesn't matter if they were converted or not, those are still good passes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 14:42:47 GMT -8
I'd love to see a stat for how many of players passes led directly to a good shot attempt vs. how many of those shots were converted. If you have a guy that makes 10 shot worthy passes per game, it doesn't matter if they were converted or not, those are still good passes. We had very good players on last years team that were more than capable of making a shot off a good pass. Jamaal is passing to the same teammates as everyone else (minus himself).
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 17, 2012 14:43:39 GMT -8
I'd love to see a stat for how many passes led directly to a good shot attempt vs. how many of those shots were converted. If you have a guy that makes 10 "shot worthy" passes per game, it doesn't matter if they were converted or not, those are still good passes. Agree, but like I said, it tends to even out, so we can still compare players numbers (especially if they are on the same team)
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 17, 2012 14:49:59 GMT -8
5th on the team in assist % last year. Not bad at all considering how much he shoots. If he can become a better passer and cut down on the turnovers the assists will for sure go up. I've never thought of him as an unwilling passer though at all. You don't get an assist unless the guy finishes the shot. How many times did we see Jamaal make a sweet pass only to see a blown layup or the guy get his shot blocked. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch of last season are well documented. It's hard to get assist when the guys you're most likely to get assist from are not finishing. Jamaal is an exceptional passer. He's a better passer than Winston Shepard who people seem to think is an elite distributor. And how many assists did other players lose last year... thanks to Jamaal's fantastic shooting percentages? Why does Winston Shepard scare you so much? Just because the guy has more stars coming out of high school than Jamaal... you take every single opportunity to slam the guy. What's your next prediction? Jamaal will lead the country in scoring and assists?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 17, 2012 14:50:12 GMT -8
I'd love to see a stat for how many of players passes led directly to a good shot attempt vs. how many of those shots were converted. If you have a guy that makes 10 shot worthy passes per game, it doesn't matter if they were converted or not, those are still good passes. We had very good players on last years team that were more than capable of making a shot off a good pass. Jamaal is passing to the same teammates as everyone else (minus himself). That explains why we had very low assist #s across the board. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch last year are well documented. It's impossible to get an assist if the guy doesn't make the shot. Jamaal's 3 % was low, but his 2 point FG % was among conference leaders. When you gave Jamaal a pass in scoring position, more often than not, he scored. You can't say that about Tapley, Rahon and X (our other main scorers) down the stretch of last season. They went through well documented dry spells. It happens, it is what it is...
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 17, 2012 14:53:41 GMT -8
You don't get an assist unless the guy finishes the shot. How many times did we see Jamaal make a sweet pass only to see a blown layup or the guy get his shot blocked. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch of last season are well documented. It's hard to get assist when the guys you're most likely to get assist from are not finishing. Jamaal is an exceptional passer. He's a better passer than Winston Shepard who people seem to think is an elite distributor. And how many assists did other players lose last year... thanks to Jamaal's fantastic shooting percentages? Why does Winston Shepard scare you so much? Just because the guy has more stars coming out of high school than Jamaal... you take every single opportunity to slam the guy. What's your next prediction? Jamaal will lead the country in scoring and assists? He'll lead the team in scoring AND assist. That's my prediction. Winston just isn't as good as he's hyped up to be. It makes no sense to praise a guy for a quality when it isn't even as good as the next guys who said to "need improvement" in that area. If I'm wrong about Winston and he does live up to 5 Stars, I'll be the 1st to admitt it. I hope i'm wrong. If Winston is as good as advertised, it'll only help Jamaal get easier scoring oppotunities. I'm just not sold, that's all.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 17, 2012 14:54:23 GMT -8
We had very good players on last years team that were more than capable of making a shot off a good pass. Jamaal is passing to the same teammates as everyone else (minus himself). That explains why we had very low assist #s across the board. I think a lot of that has to do with the offense we run. Seems like every year the assist numbers are pretty low.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 14:55:00 GMT -8
And how many assists did other players lose last year... thanks to Jamaal's fantastic shooting percentages? Why does Winston Shepard scare you so much? Just because the guy has more stars coming out of high school than Jamaal... you take every single opportunity to slam the guy. What's your next prediction? Jamaal will lead the country in scoring and assists? He'll lead the team in scoring AND assist. That's my prediction. Winston just isn't as good as he's hyped up to be. It makes no sense to praise a guy for a quality when it isn't even as good as the next guys who said to "need improvement" in that area. If I'm wrong about Winston and he does live up to 5 Stars, I'll be the 1st to admitt it. I hope i'm wrong. If Winston is as good as advertised, it'll only help Jamaal get easier scoring oppotunities. I'm just not sold, that's all. what are you basing your Winston analysis on?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 17, 2012 14:55:38 GMT -8
You don't get an assist unless the guy finishes the shot. How many times did we see Jamaal make a sweet pass only to see a blown layup or the guy get his shot blocked. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch of last season are well documented. It's hard to get assist when the guys you're most likely to get assist from are not finishing. Jamaal is an exceptional passer. He's a better passer than Winston Shepard who people seem to think is an elite distributor. Jamaal's 3 % was low but his 2% was conference leading. Most of his 3's were 1 on 1 pull ups. That explains the low %, as well as disproves your statement about his missed shots effecting others assist #s. I can do this all day. lol And how many assists did other players lose last year... thanks to Jamaal's fantastic shooting percentages? Why does Winston Shepard scare you so much? Just because the guy has more stars coming out of high school than Jamaal... you take every single opportunity to slam the guy. What's your next prediction? Jamaal will lead the country in scoring and assists?
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 17, 2012 15:10:41 GMT -8
We had very good players on last years team that were more than capable of making a shot off a good pass. Jamaal is passing to the same teammates as everyone else (minus himself). That explains why we had very low assist #s across the board. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch last year are well documented. It's impossible to get an assist if the guy doesn't make the shot. Jamaal's 3 % was low, but his 2 point FG % was among conference leaders. When you gave Jamaal a pass in scoring position, more often than not, he scored. You can't say that about Tapley, Rahon and X (our other main scorers) down the stretch of last season. They went through well documented dry spells. It happens, it is what it is... I can't believe I agree with BBA.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 17, 2012 15:11:23 GMT -8
That explains why we had very low assist #s across the board. I think a lot of that has to do with the offense we run. Seems like every year the assist numbers are pretty low. Well in some years our offense was shoot a 3 and if we miss our bigs will get a reboud.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 17, 2012 15:12:29 GMT -8
I agree, my comment was in opposition to that guy. Jamaal is a lot less selfish than some people on here think. Jamaal is one of the most unselfish assertive player you're going to find in College. He'll never look off an open man to take his own shot unless his shot is unquestionably the better shot. It's actually the exact opposite, Jamaal did not have guys setting him up for easy baskets last year....and he was STILL the leading scorer. Jamaal get excited when he creates an open shot for someone else. Had it not been for Rahon and Tapley's dry spells and our lack of an inside scoring presence, Jamaal would have averaged way more assist last season. Most of his points come from hustling, running the floor, and getting to the line. If a guy has 15 shot attempts, but 8-10 of them are layups, how can that be considered selfish? BBA, really? He took a ton of 3s on fast breaks and missed while teammates of his were wide open.
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Post by dreadhawk909 on Aug 17, 2012 15:16:08 GMT -8
Jamaal is one of the most unselfish assertive player you're going to find in College. He'll never look off an open man to take his own shot unless his shot is unquestionably the better shot. It's actually the exact opposite, Jamaal did not have guys setting him up for easy baskets last year....and he was STILL the leading scorer. Jamaal get excited when he creates an open shot for someone else. Had it not been for Rahon and Tapley's dry spells and our lack of an inside scoring presence, Jamaal would have averaged way more assist last season. Most of his points come from hustling, running the floor, and getting to the line. If a guy has 15 shot attempts, but 8-10 of them are layups, how can that be considered selfish? WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO? anyone: "Jamaal is one of the best players in the nation. He is going to be our team's leader and do an outstanding job." BBA: "Keep hating. Jamaal will prove you wrong."
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Post by dreadhawk909 on Aug 17, 2012 15:18:25 GMT -8
Jamaal Franklin is going to score a lot of points, distribute the ball well and play lock-down defense. He will be the best player on the court in every game this year.
BBA's response "You are wrong. Jamaal Franklin is good at basketball."
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 17, 2012 17:41:23 GMT -8
He'll lead the team in scoring AND assist. That's my prediction. Winston just isn't as good as he's hyped up to be. It makes no sense to praise a guy for a quality when it isn't even as good as the next guys who said to "need improvement" in that area. If I'm wrong about Winston and he does live up to 5 Stars, I'll be the 1st to admitt it. I hope i'm wrong. If Winston is as good as advertised, it'll only help Jamaal get easier scoring oppotunities. I'm just not sold, that's all. what are you basing your Winston analysis on?
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 17, 2012 18:44:33 GMT -8
5th on the team in assist % last year. Not bad at all considering how much he shoots. If he can become a better passer and cut down on the turnovers the assists will for sure go up. I've never thought of him as an unwilling passer though at all. You don't get an assist unless the guy finishes the shot. How many times did we see Jamaal make a sweet pass only to see a blown layup or the guy get his shot blocked. X, Rahon and Tapley's shooting woes down the stretch of last season are well documented. It's hard to get assist when the guys you're most likely to get assist from are not finishing. Jamaal is an exceptional passer. He's a better passer than Winston Shepard who people seem to think is an elite distributor. The team (minus Jamaal) shot 45.9% from the field (including 3s), Jamaal shot 43.3% from the field (including 3s). Jamaal's assist totals weren't low because of the players around him... they were low because Jamaal never met a forced shot that he didn't like. 1.5 assists per game vs. 3.0 turnovers per game. It seems to me that you (as you are prone to do) are drastically overstating Jamaal's passing/facilitating/distributing/assisting skills.
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Post by bearfoot on Aug 17, 2012 19:52:54 GMT -8
I voted for James J. We know what to expect from Chase, X and JF.
Last season we had virtually no one in the post, on D. If James comes up big (pun intended) it will be huge. (this time too.)
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