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Post by TheSanDiegan on Aug 18, 2012 13:33:01 GMT -8
dont sleep on LBF. you heard it here first. I'm sleep on LBF. He has to somehow get better than X and learn how to play solid defense again agressive point guards. If he can manage to earn 10 mpg, I'd say he had a good season. But he's no game changer for SDSU. The temptaion of physically impossing, athletic line ups at Steve Fisher's finger tips will make it hard for LBF to be of any substancial use to this years team. I disagree. LBF doesn't have to "somehow get better than X." This would only be the case if he were to supplant X as the starting PG, and I don't think anyone is expecting that to be the case. But as I understand it, LBF was always viewed as being in a similar mould as DJ, i.e., a smart player and a good game manager. Which BTW presents a good example of a team - ranked what, #3 in the country at one point? - with a very athletic frontcourt but who owed a good deal of its success to DJ's play at the 1-spot. I think LBF's continued development is crucial, and that his play off the bench will be almost as important a contribution this season as JayRay's. I have no doubt we will have the horses to go hard in the low post for forty. Let the guys like Maal and Polee go full throttle - that's when they are at their best IMO. But this ain't NASCAR - you have to change gears now and then...
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 13:38:23 GMT -8
I'm sleep on LBF. He has to somehow get better than X and learn how to play solid defense again agressive point guards. If he can manage to earn 10 mpg, I'd say he had a good season. But he's no game changer for SDSU. The temptaion of physically impossing, athletic line ups at Steve Fisher's finger tips will make it hard for LBF to be of any substancial use to this years team. I disagree. LBF doesn't have to "somehow get better than X." This would only be the case if he were to supplant X as the starting PG, and I don't think anyone is expecting that to be the case. But as I understand it, LBF was always viewed as being in a similar mould as DJ, i.e., a smart player and a good game manager. Which BTW presents a good example of a team - ranked what, #3 in the country at one point? - with a very athletic frontcourt but who owed a good deal of its success to DJ's play at the 1-spot. I think LBF's continued development is crucial, and that his play off the bench will be almost as important a contribution this season as JayRay's. I have no doubt we will have the horses to go hard in the low post for forty. Let the guys like Maal and Polee go full throttle - that's when they are at their best IMO. But this ain't NASCAR - you have to change gears now and then... LBF is no where near as good as DJ on either side of the ball. We have way too much wing talent for X and LBF to be on the court at the same time. X will play 28-30 mpg, which means LBF will get the left over 10 if he's playing well. He won't have a huge role for us.
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 18, 2012 13:45:51 GMT -8
I like Shrigley but this post is full of bull$#!+ and inaccuracies, anyone that has seen Shepard play and has a clue about basketball knows he is an elite defender, there isn't a simple question about it, he slowed down Shabazz and Jabari 2 of the 3 best high school players at the time. Your agenda to try to push down Shepard just because he is taking a bit of attention away from Jamaal is simply put; pathetic and laughable. Jamaal doesn't need more attention lol. I'm trying to lower the expectations for Winston because when the season comes and he's not living up to half the hype, this board is going to crucify him. Nobody on this board is concerned with Shep's 'average' offensive game... because nobody on this board see's him as a 5-star 'offensive' player. We are all excited about adding Shep to the mix because of his defense, rebounding and passing ability. He's exactly the type of player this team needs. He's not going to be a black hole on offense like someone else your quite familiar with. It's kinda sad that your 'analysis' of talent centers around scoring average. It takes more than a stud scorer for a TEAM to win. Tales of Shep's defensive games against Shabazz and Jabari are enough to get me excited whether he ever averages 5 points/game or not.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 13:50:13 GMT -8
Jamaal doesn't need more attention lol. I'm trying to lower the expectations for Winston because when the season comes and he's not living up to half the hype, this board is going to crucify him. Nobody on this board is concerned with Shep's 'average' offensive game... because nobody on this board see's him as a 5-star 'offensive' player. We are all excited about adding Shep to the mix because of his defense, rebounding and passing ability. He's exactly the type of player this team needs. He's not going to be a black hole on offense like someone else your quite familiar with. It's kinda sad that your 'analysis' of talent centers around scoring average. It takes more than a stud scorer for a TEAM to win. Tales of Shep's defensive games against Shabazz and Jabari are enough to get me excited whether he ever averages 5 points/game or not. Shepard's defense was Box and 1, not man to man. Findlay had so much other talent in that zone, all Shepard had to do was use his size to play shadow defense. Chase Tapley led the team in shot attempts per game last season. If Jamaal is a black hole, then what do you call Tapley? The best offensive players SHOULD BE taking the most shots. That's basketball. If you look at every team in high level basketball, you'll see a few players taking the bulk of the teams shots.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 18, 2012 13:54:48 GMT -8
Nobody on this board is concerned with Shep's 'average' offensive game... because nobody on this board see's him as a 5-star 'offensive' player. We are all excited about adding Shep to the mix because of his defense, rebounding and passing ability. He's exactly the type of player this team needs. He's not going to be a black hole on offense like someone else your quite familiar with. It's kinda sad that your 'analysis' of talent centers around scoring average. It takes more than a stud scorer for a TEAM to win. Tales of Shep's defensive games against Shabazz and Jabari are enough to get me excited whether he ever averages 5 points/game or not. Shepard's defense was Box and 1, not man to man. Findlay had so much other talent in that zone, all Shepard had to do was use his size to play shadow defense. Chase Tapley led the team in shot attempts per game last season. If Jamaal is a black hole, then what do you call Tapley? The best offensive players SHOULD BE taking the most shots. That's basketball. If you look at every team in high level basketball, you'll see a few players taking the bulk of the teams shots. You know a box and 1 (which they didn't play the whole game by the way) still has Shepard playing man defense on the top recruit in the country yes?
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 18, 2012 13:55:45 GMT -8
I also love the he's only good cause he's tall thing, as if he is going to shrink before his first game for SDSU.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 13:59:09 GMT -8
He's 6'8 and he still isn't that good. He has to make vast improvements to surpass Polee and O'Brien in the line up. I just don't see that happening.
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 18, 2012 14:09:56 GMT -8
Nobody on this board is concerned with Shep's 'average' offensive game... because nobody on this board see's him as a 5-star 'offensive' player. We are all excited about adding Shep to the mix because of his defense, rebounding and passing ability. He's exactly the type of player this team needs. He's not going to be a black hole on offense like someone else your quite familiar with. It's kinda sad that your 'analysis' of talent centers around scoring average. It takes more than a stud scorer for a TEAM to win. Tales of Shep's defensive games against Shabazz and Jabari are enough to get me excited whether he ever averages 5 points/game or not. Shepard's defense was Box and 1, not man to man. Findlay had so much other talent in that zone, all Shepard had to do was use his size to play shadow defense. Chase Tapley led the team in shot attempts per game last season. If Jamaal is a black hole, then what do you call Tapley? The best offensive players SHOULD BE taking the most shots. That's basketball. If you look at every team in high level basketball, you'll see a few players taking the bulk of the teams shots. Tapley didn't clang 22-foot pullups off the back of the rim with 3 seconds gone on the shotclock. Tapley didn't try to force a shot EVERY SINGLE TIME he touched the ball. There's a reason why Taps shooting percentages were far superior to Jamaals. Shadow defense against Shabazz and Jabari Parker?? That's rich! Both of those guys would go for 40+ against a box and 1... with the 1 playing shadow defense. Shep isn't going to get any shorter in the next couple years. Why are you discounting his 'size'? Moves pretty well for a guy 6'8". Do you also discount guys like Magic, Shaq and LeBron? Take away their 'size' advantage and what's left? Certainly a lot less rings and accolades. Just for shits and giggles... let's take away Polee's vertical, Jamaal's motor, DeShawn's athleticism. I can guarantee that at least 2 of those guys wouldn't be playing D1 ball.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 14:18:12 GMT -8
Shepard's defense was Box and 1, not man to man. Findlay had so much other talent in that zone, all Shepard had to do was use his size to play shadow defense. Chase Tapley led the team in shot attempts per game last season. If Jamaal is a black hole, then what do you call Tapley? The best offensive players SHOULD BE taking the most shots. That's basketball. If you look at every team in high level basketball, you'll see a few players taking the bulk of the teams shots. Tapley didn't clang 22-foot pullups off the back of the rim with 3 seconds gone on the shotclock. Tapley didn't try to force a shot EVERY SINGLE TIME he touched the ball. There's a reason why Taps shooting percentages were far superior to Jamaals. Shadow defense against Shabazz and Jabari Parker?? That's rich! Both of those guys would go for 40+ against a box and 1... with the 1 playing shadow defense. Shep isn't going to get any shorter in the next couple years. Why are you discounting his 'size'? Moves pretty well for a guy 6'8". Do you also discount guys like Magic, Shaq and LeBron? Take away their 'size' advantage and what's left? Certainly a lot less rings and accolades. Just for shits and giggles... let's take away Polee's vertical, Jamaal's motor, DeShawn's athleticism. I can guarantee that at least 2 of those guys wouldn't be playing D1 ball. It's a waste of time to compare Tapley to Jamaal. Jamaal is an All American and SDSU's only NBA prospect. Tapley shot well early on but struggle down the stretch. Jamaal had a league leading 2 point FG% during Conference play and beyond. It's a waste of time to compare Shepard to a dominant player. He's not dominant at anything.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 18, 2012 14:27:09 GMT -8
trollsohard
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 14:31:14 GMT -8
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 18, 2012 14:33:31 GMT -8
Tapley didn't clang 22-foot pullups off the back of the rim with 3 seconds gone on the shotclock. Tapley didn't try to force a shot EVERY SINGLE TIME he touched the ball. There's a reason why Taps shooting percentages were far superior to Jamaals. Shadow defense against Shabazz and Jabari Parker?? That's rich! Both of those guys would go for 40+ against a box and 1... with the 1 playing shadow defense. Shep isn't going to get any shorter in the next couple years. Why are you discounting his 'size'? Moves pretty well for a guy 6'8". Do you also discount guys like Magic, Shaq and LeBron? Take away their 'size' advantage and what's left? Certainly a lot less rings and accolades. Just for shits and giggles... let's take away Polee's vertical, Jamaal's motor, DeShawn's athleticism. I can guarantee that at least 2 of those guys wouldn't be playing D1 ball. It's a waste of time to compare Tapley to Jamaal. Jamaal is an All American and SDSU's only NBA prospect. Tapley shot well early on but struggle down the stretch. Jamaal had a league leading 2 point FG% during Conference play and beyond. It's a waste of time to compare Shepard to a dominant player. He's not dominant at anything. Keep clinging to that 'honorable' mention tag. With the exception of you, almost everyone else on this board is more concerned with SDSU winning than individual accolades for Jamaal. The history books are full of 'very good college' players that never sniffed the NBA. But they still managed to help their TEAM do great things in college. A comparison of Tapley vs. Jamaal doesn't hold water if talking NBA potential. But in terms of importance to this SDSU team it's a dead-heat. Since you like to cherry-pick stats and certain games... where was Jamaal in the second half of the NC State game? Taps single-handedly kept SDSU from losing by 25+... raining down threes and assisting on Jamaal's only two buckets in the second half (while the defense was collapsing on Chase). Most important 'half' of the year... and Chase stepped up his game... if only...
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 18, 2012 14:37:29 GMT -8
By the way, Jamaal had a PER of 24.7 and Tapley had one of 22 last year, not too far off.
Just for fun, Kawhi's was 26.5 in his last year here.
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 18, 2012 14:44:44 GMT -8
By the way, Jamaal had a PER of 24.7 and Tapley had one of 22 last year, not too far off. Just for fun, Kawhi's was 26.5 in his last year here. I wouldn't have guessed that Kawhi's was 26.5... dude just went about his business.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 18, 2012 14:46:49 GMT -8
By the way, Jamaal had a PER of 24.7 and Tapley had one of 22 last year, not too far off. Just for fun, Kawhi's was 26.5 in his last year here. I wouldn't have guessed that Kawhi's was 26.5... dude just went about his business. Yea, especially considering that PER, like BBA, doesn't account for defense at all. whammmy.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 14:47:55 GMT -8
It's a waste of time to compare Tapley to Jamaal. Jamaal is an All American and SDSU's only NBA prospect. Tapley shot well early on but struggle down the stretch. Jamaal had a league leading 2 point FG% during Conference play and beyond. It's a waste of time to compare Shepard to a dominant player. He's not dominant at anything. Keep clinging to that 'honorable' mention tag. With the exception of you, almost everyone else on this board is more concerned with SDSU winning than individual accolades for Jamaal. The history books are full of 'very good college' players that never sniffed the NBA. But they still managed to help their TEAM do great things in college. A comparison of Tapley vs. Jamaal doesn't hold water if talking NBA potential. But in terms of importance to this SDSU team it's a dead-heat. Since you like to cherry-pick stats and certain games... where was Jamaal in the second half of the NC State game? Taps single-handedly kept SDSU from losing by 25+... raining down threes and assisting on Jamaal's only two buckets in the second half (while the defense was collapsing on Chase). Most important 'half' of the year... and Chase stepped up his game... if only... You brought up 1 half in one game lol. How about Jamaal droping 35 and 13 to secure the MWC regular season title in the OT win vs. TCU? LOL. Tapley is a hell of a player. SDSU needs him for us to be successful. He's our Jackson Emery.
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 18, 2012 14:52:06 GMT -8
Keep clinging to that 'honorable' mention tag. With the exception of you, almost everyone else on this board is more concerned with SDSU winning than individual accolades for Jamaal. The history books are full of 'very good college' players that never sniffed the NBA. But they still managed to help their TEAM do great things in college. A comparison of Tapley vs. Jamaal doesn't hold water if talking NBA potential. But in terms of importance to this SDSU team it's a dead-heat. Since you like to cherry-pick stats and certain games... where was Jamaal in the second half of the NC State game? Taps single-handedly kept SDSU from losing by 25+... raining down threes and assisting on Jamaal's only two buckets in the second half (while the defense was collapsing on Chase). Most important 'half' of the year... and Chase stepped up his game... if only... You brought up 1 half in one game lol. How about Jamaal droping 35 and 13 to secure the MWC regular season title in the OT win vs. TCU? LOL. Tapley is a hell of a player. SDSU needs him for us to be successful. He's our Jackson Emery. And you brought up... a game vs. the mighty Horned Frogs of TCU? How do you manage to extrapolate world domination for Jamaal by referencing his stats against... TCU?
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 18, 2012 14:55:17 GMT -8
Keep clinging to that 'honorable' mention tag. With the exception of you, almost everyone else on this board is more concerned with SDSU winning than individual accolades for Jamaal. The history books are full of 'very good college' players that never sniffed the NBA. But they still managed to help their TEAM do great things in college. A comparison of Tapley vs. Jamaal doesn't hold water if talking NBA potential. But in terms of importance to this SDSU team it's a dead-heat. Since you like to cherry-pick stats and certain games... where was Jamaal in the second half of the NC State game? Taps single-handedly kept SDSU from losing by 25+... raining down threes and assisting on Jamaal's only two buckets in the second half (while the defense was collapsing on Chase). Most important 'half' of the year... and Chase stepped up his game... if only... You brought up 1 half in one game lol. How about Jamaal droping 35 and 13 to secure the MWC regular season title in the OT win vs. TCU? LOL. Tapley is a hell of a player. SDSU needs him for us to be successful. He's our Jackson Emery. I like that comparison. Though I hated Emery almost as much as Jimmer.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 18, 2012 14:55:54 GMT -8
You brought up 1 half in one game lol. How about Jamaal droping 35 and 13 to secure the MWC regular season title in the OT win vs. TCU? LOL. Tapley is a hell of a player. SDSU needs him for us to be successful. He's our Jackson Emery. And you brought up... a game vs. the mighty Horned Frogs of TCU? How do you manage to extrapolate world domination for Jamaal by referencing his stats against... TCU? 23/9 vs. NC State how is that? As a starter, Jamaal average 20/10. He didn't become an All American off of one game. To go from unknown bench player to All American...he had to be killing! LOL
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Post by mySTRAS on Aug 18, 2012 15:00:11 GMT -8
And you brought up... a game vs. the mighty Horned Frogs of TCU? How do you manage to extrapolate world domination for Jamaal by referencing his stats against... TCU? 23/9 vs. NC State how is that? Imagine if he showed up in the 2nd half... instead of disappearing. Heck, if Taps didn't feed him two beautiful passes he wouldn't have made a field goal in the second half. First and Second team all-americans don't vanish when the biggest game of the year is on the line.
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