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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 4, 2023 23:31:01 GMT -8
Grisham is a joke. If you're not moving runners then you're failing. Grisham excelled at failing.
He was the opposite of clutch. He cost the team several games by striking out with RISP and the game on the line in late innings. Buh and Bye. No way would I bring him back.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 4, 2023 23:34:44 GMT -8
Grisham is a joke. If you're not moving runners then you're failing. Grisham excelled at failing. He was the opposite of clutch. He cost the team several games by striking out with RISP and the game on the line in late innings. Buh and Bye. No way would I bring him back. Yes, he's a rally killer, unfortunately.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 7:35:10 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 7:36:57 GMT -8
Grisham is a joke. If you're not moving runners then you're failing. Grisham excelled at failing. He was the opposite of clutch. He cost the team several games by striking out with RISP and the game on the line in late innings. Buh and Bye. No way would I bring him back. Yes, he's a rally killer, unfortunately. Not according to the numbers. You were wrong and once again just glossed over it, twice. But you want to live in an ignorant echo chamber, so go for it.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 8:18:51 GMT -8
You're actually putting up comparative numbers against his teammates? A team that was probably the worst hitting team with RISP? Talk about ignorant. Sheesh. I also noticed that he had the worst BB/K on that list, and struck out the most. There's no putting a feather in his cap on this list. Looks like you'll go to any lengths to try and justify your points. Why don't you compare to him Luis Roberts again. Come on now.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 5, 2023 8:22:28 GMT -8
You're actually putting up comparative numbers against his teammates? A team that was probably the worst hitting team with RISP? Talk about ignorant. Sheesh. I also noticed that he had the worst BB/K on that list, and struck out the most. There's no putting a feather in his cap on this list. Looks like you'll go to any lengths to try and justify your points. Come on now. I like Ryan, he's a passionate fan and clearly a very smart guy. But when it comes to the Padres sometimes he's not seeing things the way everyone else does. He wants things to be better than they are, so he goes out of his way to try and find stats to that show the Padres (and some of their players) in a better light than reality shows.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 8:31:55 GMT -8
You're actually putting up comparative numbers against his teammates? A team that was probably the worst hitting team with RISP? Talk about ignorant. Sheesh. I also noticed that he had the worst BB/K on that list, and struck out the most. There's no putting a feather in his cap on this list. Looks like you'll go to any lengths to try and justify your points. Come on now. I like Ryan, he's a passionate fan and clearly a very smart guy. But when it comes to the Padres sometimes he's not seeing things the way everyone else does. He wants things to be better than they are, so he goes out of his way to try and find stats to that show the Padres (and some of their players) in a better light than reality shows. That's a nice way of saying Ryan's wrong about this one, and that he'll pull things out of his arse to TRY and justify his points. I get it.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 8:34:25 GMT -8
Grisham will probably end up with the Padres again, with a decent raise as well, for no other reason than his defense. But, IMHO, unless he steps up his complete offensive production, 2024 will be his last as a Padre. Great gig if you can get it. Have a year like he did at the plate, and get a raise for it.Only in Professional sports
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 8:45:39 GMT -8
You're actually putting up comparative numbers against his teammates? A team that was probably the worst hitting team with RISP? Talk about ignorant. Sheesh. I also noticed that he had the worst BB/K on that list, and struck out the most. There's no putting a feather in his cap on this list. Looks like you'll go to any lengths to try and justify your points. Come on now. I like Ryan, he's a passionate fan and clearly a very smart guy. But when it comes to the Padres sometimes he's not seeing things the way everyone else does. He wants things to be better than they are, so he goes out of his way to try and find stats to that show the Padres (and some of their players) in a better light than reality shows. Because I don't focus on what I see - Your eyes just tell you what you want to see, especially if you don't understand what you're looking for. They confirm bias. They reinforce perception. Recency bias exists. I'm not going out of my way, the information literally takes 30 seconds to find. "Reality" is confirmed in the numbers. The hyperbole is a little nuts here.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 8:46:20 GMT -8
I like Ryan, he's a passionate fan and clearly a very smart guy. But when it comes to the Padres sometimes he's not seeing things the way everyone else does. He wants things to be better than they are, so he goes out of his way to try and find stats to that show the Padres (and some of their players) in a better light than reality shows. That's a nice way of saying Ryan's wrong about this one, and that he'll pull things out of his arse to TRY and justify his points. I get it. So you're a liar, too?
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 8:53:28 GMT -8
Grisham will probably end up with the Padres again, with a decent raise as well, for no other reason than his defense. But, IMHO, unless he steps up his complete offensive production, 2024 will be his last as a Padre. A decent raise is kinda overstating things, I'd expect him to land in the normal arbitration bump between year one and two.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 9:06:16 GMT -8
You're actually putting up comparative numbers against his teammates? A team that was probably the worst hitting team with RISP? Talk about ignorant. Sheesh. I also noticed that he had the worst BB/K on that list, and struck out the most. There's no putting a feather in his cap on this list. Looks like you'll go to any lengths to try and justify your points. Why don't you compare to him Luis Roberts again. Come on now. So now we've come full circle - You bitched about only his numbers with runners in scoring position. I told you the entire team struggled....and now you want to use that argument as a crutch to build a foundation for your floundering logic. The only one going to desperate lengths here is you. Look in the mirror and take some accountability for just being wrong and lying about it. You'll grab on to anything to shift goalposts. I'm sorry you're incapable, but own it. You're a complete fraud, though.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 9:12:17 GMT -8
You're actually putting up comparative numbers against his teammates? A team that was probably the worst hitting team with RISP? Talk about ignorant. Sheesh. I also noticed that he had the worst BB/K on that list, and struck out the most. There's no putting a feather in his cap on this list. Looks like you'll go to any lengths to try and justify your points. Why don't you compare to him Luis Roberts again. Come on now. So now we've come full circle - You bitched about only his numbers with runners in scoring position. I told you the entire team struggled....and now you want to use that argument as a crutch to build a foundation for your floundering logic. You're a complete fraud. There's a lot to bitch about when it comes to Grishams offensive (yes VERY offensive) numbers, but him striking out continually and moving runners over is very glaring. You decided to put up a graph of how he compared to his own teammates. That's the bottom barrel this year. You're reaching to try and justify saying Grisham isn't that bad. I'm done wasting my breath arguing over an offensive player such as Grisham. He's not worth it.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 9:20:54 GMT -8
So now we've come full circle - You bitched about only his numbers with runners in scoring position. I told you the entire team struggled....and now you want to use that argument as a crutch to build a foundation for your floundering logic. You're a complete fraud. There's a lot to bitch about when it comes to Grishams offensive (yes VERY offensive) numbers, but him striking out continually and moving runners over is very glaring. You decided to put up a graph of how he compared to his own teammates. That's the bottom barrel this year. You're reaching to try and justify saying Grisham isn't that bad. I'm done wasting my breath arguing over an offensive player such as Grisham. He's not worth it. Stop latching on to other people's arguments, John. It's pathetic. Beyond pathetic. That aside, I showed you the top 30 leaderboard in strikeouts this year, too, for the entire league. I also put up his entire career numbers in the same metric. I'm not the one who was proven wrong with a false narrative, lied about it, glossed over it again and then tried to use the same argument someone else gave you in reverse. Success with runners in scoring position is measured by OPS and wRC+. Period. It covers everything you possibly can use. What's not worth it is going to insane levels of pearl clutching to prove a false talking point and being an unaccountable hypocrite when faced with the truth. The stats > Your feelings.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 10:05:01 GMT -8
There's a lot to bitch about when it comes to Grishams offensive (yes VERY offensive) numbers, but him striking out continually and moving runners over is very glaring. You decided to put up a graph of how he compared to his own teammates. That's the bottom barrel this year. You're reaching to try and justify saying Grisham isn't that bad. I'm done wasting my breath arguing over an offensive player such as Grisham. He's not worth it. Stop latching on to other people's arguments, John. It's pathetic. Beyond pathetic. That aside, I showed you the top 30 leaderboard in strikeouts this year, too, for the entire league. I also put up his entire career numbers in the same metric. I'm not the one who was proven wrong with a false narrative, lied about it, glossed over it again and then tried to use the same argument someone else gave you in reverse. Success with runners in scoring position is measured by OPS and wRC+. Period. It covers everything you possibly can use. What's not worth it is going to insane levels of pearl clutching to prove a false talking point and being an unaccountable hypocrite when faced with the truth. The stats > Your feelings. Ha!!! This is the epitome of a hypothetical person, that being you, of course. I'm latching onto other people's arguments? Hilarious. You continually do that on Aztec Mess. You're known for it. So, since Grishams OPS is above average, is he an above average hitter? Lol. Talk about a false narrative. You're the one stretching things, trying to make Grisham out to be some average/above average hitter. Big time pathetic. You keep on latching onto the notion that Grisham wasn't that bad. In the meanwhile, we'll all have a good laugh about it. Oh yeah, and keep comparing him to the likes of Luis Roberts and s team that was absolutely abysmal at the plate this year in many categories.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 10:20:08 GMT -8
Stop latching on to other people's arguments, John. It's pathetic. Beyond pathetic. That aside, I showed you the top 30 leaderboard in strikeouts this year, too, for the entire league. I also put up his entire career numbers in the same metric. I'm not the one who was proven wrong with a false narrative, lied about it, glossed over it again and then tried to use the same argument someone else gave you in reverse. Success with runners in scoring position is measured by OPS and wRC+. Period. It covers everything you possibly can use. What's not worth it is going to insane levels of pearl clutching to prove a false talking point and being an unaccountable hypocrite when faced with the truth. The stats > Your feelings. Ha!!! This is the epitome of a hypothetical person, that being you, of course. I'm latching onto other people's arguments? Hilarious. You continually do that on Aztec Mess. You're known for it. So, since Grishams OPS is above average, is he an above average hitter? Lol. Talk about a false narrative. You're the one stretching things, trying to make Grisham out to be some average/above average hitter. Big time pathetic. You keep on latching onto the notion that Grisham wasn't that bad. In the meanwhile, we'll all have a good laugh about it. Oh yeah, and keep comparing him to the likes of Luis Roberts and s team that was absolutely abysmal at the plate this year in many categories. You were wrong. It's okay.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 10:25:51 GMT -8
Ha!!! This is the epitome of a hypothetical person, that being you, of course. I'm latching onto other people's arguments? Hilarious. You continually do that on Aztec Mess. You're known for it. So, since Grishams OPS is above average, is he an above average hitter? Lol. Talk about a false narrative. You're the one stretching things, trying to make Grisham out to be some average/above average hitter. Big time pathetic. You keep on latching onto the notion that Grisham wasn't that bad. In the meanwhile, we'll all have a good laugh about it. Oh yeah, and keep comparing him to the likes of Luis Roberts and s team that was absolutely abysmal at the plate this year in many categories. You were wrong. It's okay. You're wrong about Grisham being even an average hitter and trying your best to justify it, just as you were wrong about Melvin being fired, and Flaherty taking over this year. It's ok.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 5, 2023 10:29:03 GMT -8
Maybe it's Azocar's role for some number of games next year, and Grisham's role for some number of games. Ideally Grisham starts for 80 games and is a defensive substitution for 40 games. Still leaving plenty of defensive substitution opportunity for Azocar in 40-60 games, depending on how well them team does next year. And who starts the other 80 games? Don't say Tatis. Was/is a stupid idea. And that's your opinion. If Profar and Tatis are in the outfield, Profar in right and Tatis in center makes sense. If Tatis snd Azocar are in the outfield, Azocar in center and Tatis in right. Really depends on who you are pairing Tatis with (do they have the range to play center, or the arm to play right. Tatis has both - in spades. Depends on who we sign in the off-season, how Merrill does next year, etc. Kim could play center if we sign Garrett Cooper and put Cronenworth at second for example, or if we sign or trade for a different strong first basemen. Merrill can play in center right, as long as his bat is mlb ready. A plethora of options.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 10:32:34 GMT -8
You were wrong. It's okay. You're wrong about Grisham being even an average hitter and trying your best to justify it, just as you were wrong about Melvin being fired, and Flaherty taking over this year. It's ok. For 100+ games, when my statement was made, he was roughly a league average hitter. I believe at the time he was a 98 wRC+, which is basically league average. 2% under. With runners in scoring position this year, he was a 99. So, the stats tell me that you're incorrect. You'll focus on strikeouts and not moving runners over, I'll focus on the big thing that takes into account both those things. And I know you lie with impunity, but I never once stated that Flaherty was taking over this season.....anywhere. That post, from mid-August, can be corroborated elsewhere. It was true at the time. As another poster told you, this was likely not the decision of AJ Preller.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 10:37:36 GMT -8
And who starts the other 80 games? Don't say Tatis. Was/is a stupid idea. And that's your opinion. If Profar and Tatis are in the outfield, Profar in right and Tatis in center makes sense. If Tatis snd Azocar are in the outfield, Azocar in center and Tatis in right. Really depends on who you are pairing Tatis with (do they have the range to play center, or the arm to play right. Tatis has both - in spades. Not my opinion. It's a statistical reality. Profar isn't even under contract and he was WORSE than Grisham offensively. You want him to play right field? With what arm? Tatis is coming off one of the best defensive seasons in recent history. He was worth 27 DRS, second most in baseball for any position. I like Jose, but he's a bench piece through and through. Not an OBP threat, zero power to speak of. He's a fifth outfielder type. He's probably going to be fortunate to be rostered with the Double-A guys coming up.
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