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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 10:45:14 GMT -8
You're wrong about Grisham being even an average hitter and trying your best to justify it, just as you were wrong about Melvin being fired, and Flaherty taking over this year. It's ok. For 100+ games, when my statement was made, he was roughly a league average hitter. I believe at the time he was a 98 wRC+, which is basically league average. 2% under. With runners in scoring position this year, he was a 99. So, the stats tell me that you're incorrect. You'll focus on strikeouts and not moving runners over, I'll focus on the big thing that takes into account both those things. And I know you lie with impunity, but I never once stated that Flaherty was taking over this season.....anywhere. That post, from mid-August, can be corroborated elsewhere. It was true at the time. As another poster told you, this was likely not the decision of AJ Preller. Here you go AGAIN, twisting, manipulating a situation. You said that Melvin is going to be fired this year and Flaherty will be the next Manager. He's the Manager in waiting. So yeah, you said it. Flaherty went with Preller to visit Free Agents so that made it an obvious done deal, according to you. Remember when you said that? You said many things regarding Melvin being fired this year and Flaherty becoming the next Manager. It's ok to be wrong Ryan. You've been wrong MANY times before, but your ego gets in the way of admitting it. Clean that up.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 10:46:51 GMT -8
And who starts the other 80 games? Don't say Tatis. Was/is a stupid idea. And that's your opinion. If Profar and Tatis are in the outfield, Profar in right and Tatis in center makes sense. If Tatis snd Azocar are in the outfield, Azocar in center and Tatis in right. Really depends on who you are pairing Tatis with (do they have the range to play center, or the arm to play right. Tatis has both - in spades. Depends on who we sign in the off-season, how Merrill does next year, etc. Kim could play center if we sign Garrett Cooper and put Cronenworth at second for example, or if we sign or trade for a different strong first basemen. Merrill can play in center right, as long as his bat is mlb ready. A plethora of options. You have to remember, if Ryan says it, it's golden. Don't ever forget that. Lol.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 5, 2023 10:47:56 GMT -8
And that's your opinion. If Profar and Tatis are in the outfield, Profar in right and Tatis in center makes sense. If Tatis snd Azocar are in the outfield, Azocar in center and Tatis in right. Really depends on who you are pairing Tatis with (do they have the range to play center, or the arm to play right. Tatis has both - in spades. Not my opinion. It's a statistical reality. Profar isn't even under contract and he was WORSE than Grisham offensively. You want him to play right field? With what arm? Tatis is coming off one of the best defensive seasons in recent history. He was worth 27 DRS, second most in baseball for any position. I like Jose, but he's a bench piece through and through. Not an OBP threat, zero power to speak of. He's a fifth outfielder type. He's probably going to be fortunate to be rostered with the Double-A guys coming up. Profar had a bad season in Colorado. He has a decent arm. Good clubhouse guy who could be our utility and glue guy. Azocar and Grish are comparable. Azocar also has not received the benefit of consistent playing time like Grish. You are saying that Azocar has no power, and I'm saying that Grish has no batting average. OPS wise if they had equal playing time I bet they are both around .700. Kim is a great option in center if Cronenworth goes back to second, his natural position.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 10:51:07 GMT -8
For 100+ games, when my statement was made, he was roughly a league average hitter. I believe at the time he was a 98 wRC+, which is basically league average. 2% under. With runners in scoring position this year, he was a 99. So, the stats tell me that you're incorrect. You'll focus on strikeouts and not moving runners over, I'll focus on the big thing that takes into account both those things. And I know you lie with impunity, but I never once stated that Flaherty was taking over this season.....anywhere. That post, from mid-August, can be corroborated elsewhere. It was true at the time. As another poster told you, this was likely not the decision of AJ Preller. Here you go AGAIN, twisting, manipulating a situation. You said that Melvin is going to be fired this year and Flaherty will be the next Manager. He's the Manager in waiting. So yeah, you said it. Flaherty went with Preller to visit Free Agents so that made it an obvious done deal, according to you. Remember when you said that? You said many things regarding Melvin being fired this year and Flaherty becoming the next Manager. It's ok to be wrong Ryan. You've been wrong MANY times before, but your ego gets in the way of admitting it. Clean that up. You asked: "Are you saying Melvin is going to be fired and Flaherty will be our next manager?" I answered: "Yes, that's what I'm saying. Internally, he's been the choice for months." Nowhere does it mention this year or a specific date. Read the post. Have some integrity, please.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 10:52:09 GMT -8
Not my opinion. It's a statistical reality. Profar isn't even under contract and he was WORSE than Grisham offensively. You want him to play right field? With what arm? Tatis is coming off one of the best defensive seasons in recent history. He was worth 27 DRS, second most in baseball for any position. I like Jose, but he's a bench piece through and through. Not an OBP threat, zero power to speak of. He's a fifth outfielder type. He's probably going to be fortunate to be rostered with the Double-A guys coming up. Profar had a bad season in Colorado. He has a decent arm. Good clubhouse guy who could be our utility and glue guy. Azocar and Grish are comparable. Azocar also has not received the benefit of consistent playing time like Grish. You are saying that Azocar has no power, and I'm saying that Grish has no batting average. OPS wise if they had equal playing time I bet they are both around .700. Kim is a great option in center if Cronenworth goes back to second, his natural position. I agree with all of this. Actually, I agree with creating scenarios where Grishams bat stays in the dugout as much as possible.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:02:02 GMT -8
Not my opinion. It's a statistical reality. Profar isn't even under contract and he was WORSE than Grisham offensively. You want him to play right field? With what arm? Tatis is coming off one of the best defensive seasons in recent history. He was worth 27 DRS, second most in baseball for any position. I like Jose, but he's a bench piece through and through. Not an OBP threat, zero power to speak of. He's a fifth outfielder type. He's probably going to be fortunate to be rostered with the Double-A guys coming up. Profar had a bad season in Colorado. He has a decent arm. Good clubhouse guy who could be our utility and glue guy. Azocar and Grish are comparable. Azocar also has not received the benefit of consistent playing time like Grish. You are saying that Azocar has no power, and I'm saying that Grish has no batting average. OPS wise if they had equal playing time I bet they are both around .700. Kim is a great option in center if Cronenworth goes back to second, his natural position. His arm is average, at best. It's accurate. It would be by far the worst of the three and you want him to play the position where the strongest arm is required. It's just a bad idea. He had a bad season in Colorado. Yes. Very bad. I'm all for the vibes, but he's not under contract and they already let him go once, where he massively misunderstood his market value and ended up barely being signed at all. He's not a starting player, he's a bench piece. Azocar and Grisham are comparable? On what planet? Grisham is the better defender and the better offensive player. Azocar is a defensive replacement and occasional stolen base threat. How are they both going to have an OPS around .700 when Azocar doesn't walk and has no power? Cronenworth is going to be shopped and hopefully dealt for pitching.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:03:09 GMT -8
Profar had a bad season in Colorado. He has a decent arm. Good clubhouse guy who could be our utility and glue guy. Azocar and Grish are comparable. Azocar also has not received the benefit of consistent playing time like Grish. You are saying that Azocar has no power, and I'm saying that Grish has no batting average. OPS wise if they had equal playing time I bet they are both around .700. Kim is a great option in center if Cronenworth goes back to second, his natural position. I agree with all of this. Actually, I agree with creating scenarios where Grishams bat stays in dugout as much as possible. What a shock, piggyback. Hey, you were wrong about Grisham's pattern of struggling with runners on, in case you missed it.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 11:07:40 GMT -8
Here you go AGAIN, twisting, manipulating a situation. You said that Melvin is going to be fired this year and Flaherty will be the next Manager. He's the Manager in waiting. So yeah, you said it. Flaherty went with Preller to visit Free Agents so that made it an obvious done deal, according to you. Remember when you said that? You said many things regarding Melvin being fired this year and Flaherty becoming the next Manager. It's ok to be wrong Ryan. You've been wrong MANY times before, but your ego gets in the way of admitting it. Clean that up. You asked: "Are you saying Melvin is going to be fired and Flaherty will be our next manager?" I answered: "Yes, that's what I'm saying. Internally, he's been the choice for months." Nowhere does it mention this year or a specific date. Read the post. Have some integrity, please. Oh. My. Gosh. If you actually think people are going to believe that you didn't mean this year, then you're more of a manipulator than I thought you were. There's MUCH more dialogue than those posts. Shall we take a look at all of those, as well? You probably don't want to.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 11:09:30 GMT -8
I agree with all of this. Actually, I agree with creating scenarios where Grishams bat stays in dugout as much as possible. What a shock, piggyback. Hey, you were wrong about Grisham's pattern of struggling with runners on, in case you missed it. Exactly. It's no shock that I've also wanted the bat taken out of Grishams hands as much as possible, as well. Not a piggyback. It's a no brainer.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:13:50 GMT -8
Not my opinion. It's a statistical reality. Profar isn't even under contract and he was WORSE than Grisham offensively. You want him to play right field? With what arm? Tatis is coming off one of the best defensive seasons in recent history. He was worth 27 DRS, second most in baseball for any position. I like Jose, but he's a bench piece through and through. Not an OBP threat, zero power to speak of. He's a fifth outfielder type. He's probably going to be fortunate to be rostered with the Double-A guys coming up. Profar had a bad season in Colorado. He has a decent arm. Good clubhouse guy who could be our utility and glue guy. Azocar and Grish are comparable. Azocar also has not received the benefit of consistent playing time like Grish. You are saying that Azocar has no power, and I'm saying that Grish has no batting average. OPS wise if they had equal playing time I bet they are both around .700. Kim is a great option in center if Cronenworth goes back to second, his natural position. There's some relevant data on Grisham worth exploring: His BABIP was .264, roughly 40 points below league average. His expected OPS was 60 points higher than his actual OPS. The Padres as a whole preach a passive approach at the plate. They had the lowest swing rate in baseball. Four guys placed in the tpp 25 in lowest swing rate overall. Grisham's in the zone swing percentage was 109th out of 125 qualifiers. You're going to strike out more if you don't swing. He struggles against power righties. He's very good against lefties in his career. The shortcomings of the organization when it comes to delivering data and interpretation of basic platoon splits is a major flaw.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:15:41 GMT -8
You asked: "Are you saying Melvin is going to be fired and Flaherty will be our next manager?" I answered: "Yes, that's what I'm saying. Internally, he's been the choice for months." Nowhere does it mention this year or a specific date. Read the post. Have some integrity, please. Oh. My. Gosh. If you actually think people are going to believe that you didn't mean this year, then you're more of a manipulator than I thought you were. There's MUCH more dialogue than those posts. Shall we take a look at all of those, as well? You probably don't want to. Yeah, I'm totally scared of your lack of reading comprehension. In case you missed it, Melvin's not guaranteed to be here quite yet.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:17:32 GMT -8
What a shock, piggyback. Hey, you were wrong about Grisham's pattern of struggling with runners on, in case you missed it. Exactly. It's no shock that I've also wanted the bat taken out of Grishams hands as much as possible, as well. Not a piggyback. It's a no brainer. The fact you just agree with other people's posts without even bothering to look into them is humorous. You want a worse offensive player to play a position he's not suited for to replace a plus defensive center fielder. No brains is about right. Do people somehow think Grisham is Austin Hedges or something? The same critiques were thrown out against Ha-seong Kim after he was thought to be a bust. It's not always simple.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 11:22:44 GMT -8
Profar had a bad season in Colorado. He has a decent arm. Good clubhouse guy who could be our utility and glue guy. Azocar and Grish are comparable. Azocar also has not received the benefit of consistent playing time like Grish. You are saying that Azocar has no power, and I'm saying that Grish has no batting average. OPS wise if they had equal playing time I bet they are both around .700. Kim is a great option in center if Cronenworth goes back to second, his natural position. There's some relevant data on Grisham worth exploring: His BABIP was .264, roughly 40 points below league average. His expected OPS was 60 points higher than his actual OPS. The Padres as a whole preach a passive approach at the plate. They had the lowest swing rate in baseball. Four guys placed in the tpp 25 in lowest swing rate overall. Grisham's in the zone swing percentage was 109th out of 125 qualifiers. You're going to strike out more if you don't swing. He struggles against power righties. He's very good against lefties in his career. The shortcomings of the organization when it comes to delivering data and interpretation of basic platoon splits is a major flaw. ANOTHER excuse for Grisham from you. He strikes out a lot, because he gets fooled A LOT. It isn't the approach of the team. You continually blame their issues on team concept, etc... Give it a rest. The team was the s**ts this year mainly due to them thinking everybody was going to roll over, and it was just going to happen. The main reason for the collapse was that there was no sense of urgency. Also the fact that they played as individuals. That's on them. The players themselves. Your analytics, and team approach excuses that you try and say are the MAIN reason for their failures, is ridiculous. It's 80-20 on the players themselves.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 5, 2023 11:23:25 GMT -8
Grisham will probably end up with the Padres again, with a decent raise as well, for no other reason than his defense. But, IMHO, unless he steps up his complete offensive production, 2024 will be his last as a Padre. A decent raise is kinda overstating things, I'd expect him to land in the normal arbitration bump between year one and two. And IMO, that normal arbitration bump could easily be considered a decent raise.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 11:24:03 GMT -8
Oh. My. Gosh. If you actually think people are going to believe that you didn't mean this year, then you're more of a manipulator than I thought you were. There's MUCH more dialogue than those posts. Shall we take a look at all of those, as well? You probably don't want to. Yeah, I'm totally scared of your lack of reading comprehension. In case you missed it, Melvin's not guaranteed to be here quite yet. Reading comprehension. Gotcha. That's the ticket. Lol.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:26:21 GMT -8
A decent raise is kinda overstating things, I'd expect him to land in the normal arbitration bump between year one and two. And IMO, that normal arbitration bump could easily be considered a decent raise. I think decent is carrying weight here.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 5, 2023 11:26:26 GMT -8
Grisham will probably end up with the Padres again, with a decent raise as well, for no other reason than his defense. But, IMHO, unless he steps up his complete offensive production, 2024 will be his last as a Padre. Great gig if you can get it. Have a year like he did at the plate, and get a raise for it.Only in Professional sports Such is arbitration in MLB.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:27:51 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm totally scared of your lack of reading comprehension. In case you missed it, Melvin's not guaranteed to be here quite yet. Reading comprehension. Gotcha. That's the ticket. Lol. Kinda is. Read the original post. I answered your question. Nowhere did I say Melvin was going to be fired during the season. You read what you want, which goes in line with your predetermined narratives, much like Grisham.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 5, 2023 11:29:47 GMT -8
There is one person defending Grisham.
One.
Take that for what you will.
Most of us know what we saw with several games on the line when Grisham was at the plate and had runners in scoring position. Strike. Out. Multiple losses because Grisham couldn't even make contact. That makes him a WBR player.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:31:37 GMT -8
There's some relevant data on Grisham worth exploring: His BABIP was .264, roughly 40 points below league average. His expected OPS was 60 points higher than his actual OPS. The Padres as a whole preach a passive approach at the plate. They had the lowest swing rate in baseball. Four guys placed in the tpp 25 in lowest swing rate overall. Grisham's in the zone swing percentage was 109th out of 125 qualifiers. You're going to strike out more if you don't swing. He struggles against power righties. He's very good against lefties in his career. The shortcomings of the organization when it comes to delivering data and interpretation of basic platoon splits is a major flaw. ANOTHER excuse for Grisham from you. He strikes out a lot, because he gets fooled A LOT. It isn't the approach of the team. You continually blame their issues on team concept, etc... Give it a rest. The team was the s**ts this year mainly due to them thinking everybody was going to roll over, and it was just going to happen. The main reason for the collapse was that there was no sense of urgency. Also the fact that they played as individuals. That's on them. The players themselves. Your analytics, and team approach excuses that you try and say are the MAIN reason for their failures, is ridiculous. It's 80-20 on the players themselves. "It isn't the approach of the team." Then why do they have four of the top 25 players in lowest swing percentange? And why do they lead all of baseball in lowest swing rate? Coincidence? Nobody said it was the "main problem"....I said it's a big problem. And it is.
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