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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 12:24:02 GMT -8
AJ Preller and Bob Melvin will both return in 2024. Source - AJ Preller. Not sure how I feel about that - hopefully they have worked things out between them. The team did perform better in September. I liked the way that they used Grish in the last few weeks of the season. Grisham would be much better with a better staff in place. |
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Post by sdhitman19 on Oct 4, 2023 12:48:40 GMT -8
Curious to know why you think Grisham would be in a much better place with better staff. Are you of the belief he can be coached up and what would that entail? Making him a strick platoon player and defensive replacement or learning to hit above the Mendoza line?
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 13:01:03 GMT -8
Curious to know why you think Grisham would be in a much better place with better staff. Are you of the belief he can be coached up and what would that entail? Making him a strick platoon player and defensive replacement or learning to hit above the Mendoza line? I'll say first, again, nobody should give one ounce about batting average in 2023. Useless stat without park/BABIP context. Here are a just few reasons why: Grisham is a byproduct of an organizational philosophy of passivity. The Padres led baseball in walk rate because they just don't swing at a high number of pitches. It's great to be selective, it's bad to not do damage off that selective approach. Secondly, he has reverse splits. He's significantly better against lefties than righties. So, naturally, they pinch-hit for him against lefties at a higher than normal rate because....I don't know, it's dumb? Analytics 101. Advanced scouting this year was a nightmare. Lack of preparation, inconsistent messaging, not being situationally aware, incomplete data sets...you name it. Players, especially young players, need to be given the tools to succeed. He's still just 26 years old. I'm not of the opinion that center field is a gold mine where you're going to dramatically improve that spot given salary constraints. We shall see. |
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Post by aardvark on Oct 4, 2023 13:17:35 GMT -8
Curious to know why you think Grisham would be in a much better place with better staff. Are you of the belief he can be coached up and what would that entail? Making him a strick platoon player and defensive replacement or learning to hit above the Mendoza line? I'll say first, again, nobody should give one ounce about batting average in 2023. Useless stat without park/BABIP context. Here are a just few reasons why: Grisham is a byproduct of an organizational philosophy of passivity. The Padres led baseball in walk rate because they just don't swing at a high number of pitches. It's great to be selective, it's bad to not do damage off that selective approach. Secondly, he has reverse splits. He's significantly better against lefties than righties. So, naturally, they pinch-hit for him against lefties at a higher than normal rate because....I don't know, it's dumb? Analytics 101. Advanced scouting this year was a nightmare. Lack of preparation, inconsistent messaging, not being situationally aware, incomplete data sets...you name it. Players, especially young players, need to be given the tools to succeed. He's still just 26 years old. I'm not of the opinion that center field is a gold mine where you're going to dramatically improve that spot given salary constraints. We shall see. Re: Grisham--he has regressed from a .251 average in the Covid year, to .242 in 2021, to a .191 combined average the last 2 seasons. Then, you have the case of Cronenworth--he has also slumped each year, starting after 2020 as well, going from .285 to .266 to .239 to .229. I know it's only 2 players, but is this indicative of the Padres coaching/philosophy? |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 13:35:42 GMT -8
I'll say first, again, nobody should give one ounce about batting average in 2023. Useless stat without park/BABIP context. Here are a just few reasons why: Grisham is a byproduct of an organizational philosophy of passivity. The Padres led baseball in walk rate because they just don't swing at a high number of pitches. It's great to be selective, it's bad to not do damage off that selective approach. Secondly, he has reverse splits. He's significantly better against lefties than righties. So, naturally, they pinch-hit for him against lefties at a higher than normal rate because....I don't know, it's dumb? Analytics 101. Advanced scouting this year was a nightmare. Lack of preparation, inconsistent messaging, not being situationally aware, incomplete data sets...you name it. Players, especially young players, need to be given the tools to succeed. He's still just 26 years old. I'm not of the opinion that center field is a gold mine where you're going to dramatically improve that spot given salary constraints. We shall see. Re: Grisham--he has regressed from a .251 average in the Covid year, to .242 in 2021, to a .191 combined average the last 2 seasons. Then, you have the case of Cronenworth--he has also slumped each year, starting after 2020 as well, going from .285 to .266 to .239 to .229. I know it's only 2 players, but is this indicative of the Padres coaching/philosophy? It's a part of it, but not all of it. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 4, 2023 13:42:25 GMT -8
AJ Preller and Bob Melvin will both return in 2024. Source - AJ Preller. Hmmmm. Somebody on here said that Melvin is absolutely gone, and Flaherty will be the next Manager, according to his sources. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 4, 2023 13:45:55 GMT -8
Not sure how I feel about that - hopefully they have worked things out between them. The team did perform better in September. I liked the way that they used Grish in the last few weeks of the season. Grisham would be much better with a better staff in place. This is just an excuse for him. He was not good the year prior when we went to the NLCS. He has regressed. He's a strikeout machine, and choked repeatedly with runners on base, etc.... Pass, except in a back role/sometimes starter. |
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Post by aardvark on Oct 4, 2023 13:48:45 GMT -8
AJ Preller and Bob Melvin will both return in 2024. Source - AJ Preller. Hmmmm. Somebody on here said that Melvin is absolutely gone, and Flaherty will be the next Manager, according to his sources. In fairness, it had been mentioned in multiple stories this past (for us, at least) season. Personally, I don't think this was AJ's decision. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 4, 2023 13:53:45 GMT -8
Hmmmm. Somebody on here said that Melvin is absolutely gone, and Flaherty will be the next Manager, according to his sources. In fairness, it had been mentioned in multiple stories this past (for us, at least) season. Personally, I don't think this was AJ's decision. Yes, but I knew not to double down on it, and say that it was absolutely going to happen. Just saying. I had heard the contrary, but I didn't mention it over and over. |
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Post by aardvark on Oct 4, 2023 13:55:58 GMT -8
In fairness, it had been mentioned in multiple stories this past (for us, at least) season. Personally, I don't think this was AJ's decision. Yes, but I knew not to double down on it, and say that it was absolutely going to happen. Just saying. I had heard the contrary, but I didn't mention it over and over. Frankly, I was surprised Melvin is staying. Then again, the offseason has just begun. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 13:56:10 GMT -8
Grisham would be much better with a better staff in place. This is just an excuse for him. He was not good the year prior when we went to the NLCS. He has regressed. He's a strikeout machine, and choked repeatedly with runners on base, etc.... Pass, except in a back role/sometimes starter. I'm about as interested in your opinion as I am in a forced prostate exam. Pass. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 14:00:34 GMT -8
Hmmmm. Somebody on here said that Melvin is absolutely gone, and Flaherty will be the next Manager, according to his sources. In fairness, it had been mentioned in multiple stories this past (for us, at least) season. Personally, I don't think this was AJ's decision. Pretty clearly it was not, once Seidler's equity partners became involved. Situations like this are always fluid. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 14:03:55 GMT -8
Yes, but I knew not to double down on it, and say that it was absolutely going to happen. Just saying. I had heard the contrary, but I didn't mention it over and over. Frankly, I was surprised Melvin is staying. Then again, the offseason has just begun. Preller declined to comment on what would take place if another team showed managerial interest in Melvin. |
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Post by azson on Oct 4, 2023 14:18:27 GMT -8
AJ Preller and Bob Melvin will both return in 2024. Source - AJ Preller. I'm 50% happy with that news. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 4, 2023 14:59:42 GMT -8
This is just an excuse for him. He was not good the year prior when we went to the NLCS. He has regressed. He's a strikeout machine, and choked repeatedly with runners on base, etc.... Pass, except in a back role/sometimes starter. I'm about as interested in your opinion as I am in a forced prostate exam. Pass. Uh huh. That's what I thought. Don't ever disagree with Ryan. He knows it all. Lol. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 15:01:49 GMT -8
AJ Preller and Bob Melvin will both return in 2024. Source - AJ Preller. I'm 50% happy with that news. Sounds about in line with the fans. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 4, 2023 15:02:29 GMT -8
Yes, but I knew not to double down on it, and say that it was absolutely going to happen. Just saying. I had heard the contrary, but I didn't mention it over and over. Frankly, I was surprised Melvin is staying. Then again, the offseason has just begun. Just like Preller said, don't believe everything you hear, because it can get overblown. It can get overblown right here on these Padres threads. We're not in the room. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 4, 2023 15:04:05 GMT -8
Frankly, I was surprised Melvin is staying. Then again, the offseason has just begun. Preller declined to comment on what would take place if another team showed managerial interest in Melvin. Come on. That's not news. He's not going to throw his Manager under the bus after they just had that meeting. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 15:10:20 GMT -8
I'm about as interested in your opinion as I am in a forced prostate exam. Pass. Uh huh. That's what I thought. Don't ever disagree with Ryan. He knows it all. Lol. When the analysis is repetitive, rudimentary and limited? Yes. "Strikeout machine" isn't an evaluative tool, it's an anecdotal observation that is largely worthless. Regression? Strikeout rate declined slightly, ISO was nearly the same, WOBA went up, best walk rate of his career, hard hit jumped almost 5%. As I've said before numerous times, if you can get him back to a baseline of around 100 wRC+, he's fine. You're not going to do markedly better at the position given the contract he makes and the lack of depth at the position. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2023 15:26:44 GMT -8
Preller declined to comment on what would take place if another team showed managerial interest in Melvin. Come on. That's not news. He's not going to throw his Manager under the bus after they just had that meeting. It was enough news that a reporter who covers the team commented on it and followed that up with more commentary. |
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