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Post by k5james on Sept 26, 2012 19:23:57 GMT -8
Ummmm...ok? LOL. Better recruits according to whom? Some guy on a computer sitting in his underwear in his mom's basement? You just got beat in your place by a bunch of Frosh, Sophs, and Juniors from SJSU. Next year, you will see the same guys in our place while you are breaking in a new QB, OL, and RB's. Good luck with that. Since Hoke came to town the Aztecs recruiting has been much better than SJSU. But the first of those classes are only redshirt Sopomores. Only redshirt freshmen are classes that a coach had a full year to recruit. In two (or three) years when we get a full squad of Hoke and Rocky recruits, the Aztecs will be a much better team. The game this year will probably be the last chance for SJSU to really compete on a fairly even basis with the Aztecs. That is because, as shown below, the gap between our recruiting is getting bigger every year. Moving to the Big East will probably insure that will continue. Espn/Scout Football Recruit Ratings Rocky | SDSU 2013 | 79 | 76 | 74 | 72 | 72 | 72 | 72 | 71 | 64 | | | | | | | | | | | SJSU 2013 | 0 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Rocky | SDSU 2012 | 79 | 77 | 77 | 77 | 76 | 76 | 75 | 75 | 75 | 75 | 73 | 73 | 72 | 69 | 69 | | | | | SJSU 2012 | 77 | 76 | 75 | 73 | 71 | 71 | 70 | 68 | 67 | | | | | | | | | | Hoke/Rocky | SDSU 2011 | 77 | 77 | 76 | 76 | 76 | 75 | 75 | 74 | 74 | 73 | 73 | 72 | 72 | 72 | 71 | 71 | 68 | 67 | | SJSU 2011 | 77 | 76 | 74 | 73 | 73 | 71 | 71 | 71 | 70 | | | | | | | | | | Hoke | SDSU 2010 | 76 | 76 | 75 | 75 | 74 | 73 | 73 | 73 | 73 | 69 | | | | | | | | | | SJSU 2010 | 76 | 75 | 75 | 75 | 73 | 70 | 69 | 69 | | | | | | | | | | |
Put in our place? Props to to guys, you won the game but don't act like you guys dominated. You got pushed around for three quarters and our special teams let you guys hang in there.
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Post by mikemorgan on Sept 26, 2012 19:51:11 GMT -8
Ummmm...ok? LOL. Better recruits according to whom? Some guy on a computer sitting in his underwear in his mom's basement? You just got beat in your place by a bunch of Frosh, Sophs, and Juniors from SJSU. Next year, you will see the same guys in our place while you are breaking in a new QB, OL, and RB's. Good luck with that. Put in our place? Props to to guys, you won the game but don't act like you guys dominated. You got pushed around for three quarters and our special teams let you guys hang in there. I would put more of the blame for the loss on your defense than I would your special teams. Certainly the special teams played a factor early on, as both SJSU's long KO returns were in the 1st half. However, SJSU's final three touchdown drives in the 4th quarter started at their own 20, 23, and 35 yard lines. It's not like special teams snafus by the Aztecs set the Spartans up with great field postion in the later stages of the game. Your defense played very well for three quarters, but they either ran out of gas, or the SJSU offense simply got their act together and played to their full potential. Perhpas it was a little bit of both.
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Post by fowl on Sept 27, 2012 6:32:55 GMT -8
Put in our place? Props to to guys, you won the game but don't act like you guys dominated. You got pushed around for three quarters and our special teams let you guys hang in there. I would put more of the blame for the loss on your defense than I would your special teams. Certainly the special teams played a factor early on, as both SJSU's long KO returns were in the 1st half. However, SJSU's final three touchdown drives in the 4th quarter started at their own 20, 23, and 35 yard lines. It's not like special teams snafus by the Aztecs set the Spartans up with great field postion in the later stages of the game. Your defense played very well for three quarters, but they either ran out of gas, or the SJSU offense simply got their act together and played to their full potential. Perhpas it was a little bit of both. You guys got very lucky our kicker was suspended or those returns likely never happen - and yes they were the deciding factor: Total Yards SDSU - 484 SJSU - 367 First Downs SDSU - 29 SJSU - 21 Time of Possession SDSU - 38:00 SJSU - 22:00 Just admit that you guys were fortunate to get the W. Anytime a team outgains you by over 100 yards, turnovers were even, and you win the game you got lucky.
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Post by mikemorgan on Sept 27, 2012 16:17:21 GMT -8
I would put more of the blame for the loss on your defense than I would your special teams. Certainly the special teams played a factor early on, as both SJSU's long KO returns were in the 1st half. However, SJSU's final three touchdown drives in the 4th quarter started at their own 20, 23, and 35 yard lines. It's not like special teams snafus by the Aztecs set the Spartans up with great field postion in the later stages of the game. Your defense played very well for three quarters, but they either ran out of gas, or the SJSU offense simply got their act together and played to their full potential. Perhpas it was a little bit of both. You guys got very lucky our kicker was suspended or those returns likely never happen - and yes they were the deciding factor: Total Yards SDSU - 484 SJSU - 367 First Downs SDSU - 29 SJSU - 21 Time of Possession SDSU - 38:00 SJSU - 22:00 Just admit that you guys were fortunate to get the W. Anytime a team outgains you by over 100 yards, turnovers were even, and you win the game you got lucky. Anytime your team wins on the road by less than a touchdown, and scores the go-ahead TD with less than a minute to play, there is an element of fortune in the victory. That being said, the difference in the outcome of the game was not the special teams breakdowns on kick coverage by the Aztecs. They were only a factor. The difference in the game was the performance of both teams in the fourth quarter. The Aztecs had a touchdown lead going into the final quarter, but were outscored 21-10 by SJSU. Here are the 4th quarter stats: SJS SDS 1st downs 14 7 Rush att/yds 3-13 14-20 Pass Yds 183 94 Pass Att/Comp 16/13 10/5 Total Yds 196 116 Avg Yds per play 10.3 4.8 San Diego State actually had a higher average of return yards on kick-offs in the fourth quarter than San Jose State. Clearly in the final 15 minutes, when the game was on the line, San Jose State outperformed the Aztecs. They overcame a 7 point deficit without the benefit of a turnover or a fourth quarter special teams breakdown by San Diego State. In the fourth quarter San Jose State had twice as many 1st downs, nearly double the passing yards, completed nearly three times as many passes, and averaged over twice as many yards per play. The game was there for the taking, and that’s just what they did. Best of luck this weekend, and for the rest of the season. You have a good team. Beat Fresno.
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Post by Spud on Sept 27, 2012 19:47:47 GMT -8
I would put more of the blame for the loss on your defense than I would your special teams. Certainly the special teams played a factor early on, as both SJSU's long KO returns were in the 1st half. However, SJSU's final three touchdown drives in the 4th quarter started at their own 20, 23, and 35 yard lines. It's not like special teams snafus by the Aztecs set the Spartans up with great field postion in the later stages of the game. Your defense played very well for three quarters, but they either ran out of gas, or the SJSU offense simply got their act together and played to their full potential. Perhpas it was a little bit of both. You guys got very lucky our kicker was suspended or those returns likely never happen - and yes they were the deciding factor: Total Yards SDSU - 484 SJSU - 367 First Downs SDSU - 29 SJSU - 21 Time of Possession SDSU - 38:00 SJSU - 22:00 Just admit that you guys were fortunate to get the W. Anytime a team outgains you by over 100 yards, turnovers were even, and you win the game you got lucky. Lucky? What happened to the kickoff defense actually making a play when it counts? Yes, a good kicker will position the kick for an improved chance to stop a run-back, but the D needs to step up and be held accountable. SJSU wasn't lucky, they were just better. They stopped us when they needed to, and ran past us when they needed to as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 8:25:18 GMT -8
You guys got very lucky our kicker was suspended or those returns likely never happen - and yes they were the deciding factor: Total Yards SDSU - 484 SJSU - 367 First Downs SDSU - 29 SJSU - 21 Time of Possession SDSU - 38:00 SJSU - 22:00 Just admit that you guys were fortunate to get the W. Anytime a team outgains you by over 100 yards, turnovers were even, and you win the game you got lucky. Anytime your team wins on the road by less than a touchdown, and scores the go-ahead TD with less than a minute to play, there is an element of fortune in the victory. That being said, the difference in the outcome of the game was not the special teams breakdowns on kick coverage by the Aztecs. They were only a factor. The difference in the game was the performance of both teams in the fourth quarter. The Aztecs had a touchdown lead going into the final quarter, but were outscored 21-10 by SJSU. Here are the 4th quarter stats: SJS SDS 1st downs 14 7 Rush att/yds 3-13 14-20 Pass Yds 183 94 Pass Att/Comp 16/13 10/5 Total Yds 196 116 Avg Yds per play 10.3 4.8 San Diego State actually had a higher average of return yards on kick-offs in the fourth quarter than San Jose State. Clearly in the final 15 minutes, when the game was on the line, San Jose State outperformed the Aztecs. They overcame a 7 point deficit without the benefit of a turnover or a fourth quarter special teams breakdown by San Diego State. In the fourth quarter San Jose State had twice as many 1st downs, nearly double the passing yards, completed nearly three times as many passes, and averaged over twice as many yards per play. The game was there for the taking, and that’s just what they did. Best of luck this weekend, and for the rest of the season. You have a good team. Beat Fresno. Although I haven't taken the time this season, in 2010 and 2011, I visited the main SJSU board many times and from that, I'll say this. Among the problems I saw there was satisfaction with little more than good effort by your team. Not that many posters generally because I sensed the detractors were shouted down by a bunch of longtimers whose attitude is to go with the flow. This has so far been a really nice climb for you guys from the misery of a couple years ago. However, don't overestimate the quality of your team. Your team has been making plays which is indicative of good coaching. And given the miserable league you're still in, you're now destined to finish the regular season something like 10-2. However, Stanford's loss to Washington is evidence the Cardinal weren't quite as good as everybody thought. Nor is USC, which Stanford beat. In fact, I think USC is just beginning to feel the effects of the scholarship reductions of the last few years. Bottom line is your team is pretty good this year, excellent in comparison to recent SJSU squads, but beating SDSU does not mean all that much because at least to this point, SDSU is nothing more than fair. And don't start thinking differently if we manage to qualify for a bowl game because we play some major manure during our conference schedule too.
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Post by sparticulous on Sept 28, 2012 10:22:18 GMT -8
Thank you. I agree with this. SJSU was clearly better than SDSU in the 4th quarter. We also held you scoreless in the first quarter. Talk about a bend-but-don't-break defense. I remember a few years ago Fresno beat us 30-0, despite the fact the Spartans had more total yardage. Did Fresno simply luck out? That was the year the Spartans were tops in the nation for the most number of times in the red zone without a score... and Fresno's D was tenacious and stiffened when it needed to. Yardage and time of possession stats don't tell the whole story.
I just don't think it's fair to say SJSU got "lucky" because SDSU's special teams sucked. Maybe it's more accurate to say SJSU won because NO component of our team completely failed. True, SJSU's offense may not have gained as much yardage as yours through three quarters, but (unlike SDSU) no component of our team had a complete meltdown. When viewed in this context, perhaps it's more accurate to say one team was better than the other when and where it counted, and that team won.
Seriously, how can some of you guys say the better team lost when a very important component of your team was downright awful? SJSU racked up 253 kick return yards to SDSU's 113. Also, SJSU had five sacks to SDSU's one, so what does that say about the battle of the trenches? Frankly, to point to those two big kickoff returns and say that's the only reason SJSU won is rather homer-ish and reeks of sour grapes.
That fourth quarter matchup really was rather lopsided. Our WR's were burning your DB's right and left, and our O-line was able to give Fales all the protection he needed. Also, I believe the Spartans showed better overall conditioning and better coaching. Your d-linemen were standing around with their hands on their hips between plays in the fourth, while our guys looked as quick and tenacious at the end of the game as they did at the beginning.
Football is a team sport, and every component of the team has to show up on game day to win at this level. Amassing more rushing yardage doesn't mean squat if your team falls well short in other critical areas.
In reality though, it was actually a very close game. I believe the lead changed hands ten times or more over the course of the game. I know the lead changed hands four times in the second quarter alone. You've got to give SJSU credit though. Our guys kept it close all night, and then came through with the big plays (on both O and D) in the fourth quarter to put it away in regulation.
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Post by aztecdad on Sept 28, 2012 12:59:32 GMT -8
Perhaps SJSU's yardage totals were impacted by the fact they didn't have to march down field.
When you add in return yardage to the total yards. SJSU had 620 yards to SDSU's 597. They didn't need to sustain long offensive drives.
Discounting SJSU's kick off returns, and claiming they were lucky is disingenuous. It would be the same if SJSU fans were saying "if SJSU hadn't fallen apart during that one play, SDSU wouldn't have had an 83 yard TD run to pad their offensive stats." Both situations are a breakdown of the defense of the team. Both give up a touchdown.
The game is a total of all elements. The score and all the stats indicate that these were two evenly matched teams. Frankly, I expect to see both teams in a bowl. I will be in Fresno cheering on the Aztecs.
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Post by sparticulous on Sept 28, 2012 13:20:46 GMT -8
Very well-stated. Your point about the game being the sum total of all elements gets at the heart of what I was trying to say. Also, I and most other SJS fans will be rooting for the Aztecs this Saturday. 1) A win over Fresno improves SJSU's strength of schedule, and 2) Spartan fans have a very difficult time bringing themselves to root for Fresno under any circumstances. Oh, and I agree there's a very good chance both these teams (SJSU and SDSU) will go bowling this year. Good luck! Perhaps SJSU's yardage totals were impacted by the fact they didn't have to march down field. When you add in return yardage to the total yards. SJSU had 620 yards to SDSU's 597. They didn't need to sustain long offensive drives. Discounting SJSU's kick off returns, and claiming they were lucky is disingenuous. It would be the same if SJSU fans were saying "if SJSU hadn't fallen apart during that one play, SDSU wouldn't have had an 83 yard TD run to pad their offensive stats." Both situations are a breakdown of the defense of the team. Both give up a touchdown. The game is a total of all elements. The score and all the stats indicate that these were two evenly matched teams. Frankly, I expect to see both teams in a bowl. I will be in Fresno cheering on the Aztecs.
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 29, 2012 13:56:24 GMT -8
There are plenty of morons on this board who think that Aztec Football should be dominant every year.
If you are one of these morons, next home game please do the following.
Stagger you drunk self into the stadium an look around before kick off. Take notice how many empty seats there are and ask your drunk self if were a blue chip recruit who has a choice between a packed LA Colliseum or a half full Qualcomm, which one would you choose? And keep in mind talented players win games and championships.
That is what every coach at SDSU has been dealing with since the mid '70's. The average San Diego fan won't come out in droves unless there is something to root for. (reference Men's Basketball) I am still confident that the football program is on the rise from the ebb of the Chuck Long days, but there is still a ways to go before league championships and packed stadiums are the norm. Yes losing to San Jose St. is embarrasing, but at this stage of the program, not unexpected.
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Post by aztech on Sept 29, 2012 17:33:26 GMT -8
There are plenty of morons on this board who think that Aztec Football should be dominant every year. If you are one of these morons, next home game please do the following. Stagger you drunk self into the stadium an look around before kick off. Take notice how many empty seats there are and ask your drunk self if were a blue chip recruit who has a choice between a packed LA Colliseum or a half full Qualcomm, which one would you choose? And keep in mind talented players win games and championships. That is what every coach at SDSU has been dealing with since the mid '70's. The average San Diego fan won't come out in droves unless there is something to root for. (reference Men's Basketball) I am still confident that the football program is on the rise from the ebb of the Chuck Long days, but there is still a ways to go before league championships and packed stadiums are the norm. Yes losing to San Jose St. is embarrasing, but at this stage of the program, not unexpected. So you're blaming the fans and not what's causing this malaise called Aztec football? You're right, it's been going on since the late 70's. Here's the deal. SDSU has a long list of presidents who hired worthless ADs. Worthless ADs in turn hire worthless coaches. Let the fans bitch, we're running it on the cheap. The shame of it all is SDSU has great facilities, a beautiful campus and the 27th largest media market going for it. MBB has proven fans do show up for winners. The guy who can stop this endless stream of hopelessness with football is Elliot Hirshman. He's stated the importance of athletics and I hope it wasn't lip service. If he was sincere then I see a shake up forthcoming both in personnel and organizational restructuring. He's going to have to decide if Sterk is his guy or get someone who will make us an asset in the nBE. Remember, he inherited Sterk so he has no allegiance to him if he is incapable of change.
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