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Post by aztecjake on Sept 24, 2012 6:52:56 GMT -8
Reverting back to the original intent of this thread, I personally accept some of the blame for the unnecessary ranting that occurred on this board shortly following the game Saturday night. It is not fair to other posters, readers, fans, players, and especially recruits. This is a wonderful program that supports a great university. I do humbly apologize for my participation in this unproductive venting of building frustration.
Perhaps, as done on other boards following a loss such as this, it would be wise for the moderators to shut the board down for 24-hrs, allowing ample time for peoples jets to cool before posting.
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 24, 2012 7:50:21 GMT -8
Everybody is frustrated by the slow progress of Rocky's tenure so far. But thats what this board is for. To bitch, complain, and give the fans/supporters a voice of opinion. I believe sometimes those voices get heard. Especially when they are in the form of losing $$$. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out, if Coach can get the players to stay focused, believe and execute. Reverting back to the original intent of this thread, I personally accept some of the blame for the unnecessary ranting that occurred on this board shortly following the game Saturday night. It is not fair to other posters, readers, fans, players, and especially recruits. This is a wonderful program that supports a great university. I do humbly apologize for my participation in this unproductive venting of building frustration. Perhaps, as done on other boards following a loss such as this, it would be wise for the moderators to shut the board down for 24-hrs, allowing ample time for peoples jets to cool before posting.
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Post by monty on Sept 24, 2012 7:52:37 GMT -8
Reverting back to the original intent of this thread, I personally accept some of the blame for the unnecessary ranting that occurred on this board shortly following the game Saturday night. It is not fair to other posters, readers, fans, players, and especially recruits. This is a wonderful program that supports a great university. I do humbly apologize for my participation in this unproductive venting of building frustration. Perhaps, as done on other boards following a loss such as this, it would be wise for the moderators to shut the board down for 24-hrs, allowing ample time for peoples jets to cool before posting. name one board that shuts down? Losing to San Jose State is unacceptable; losing in the manner they did - awful start particularly special teams and then getting destroyed in the 4th quarter is a final straw. I support the program most, because I say get it a coach worth a damn
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 24, 2012 7:59:58 GMT -8
So if you guys make a messed somewhat early in your new job, after initial success and your bosses being happy with you that you would be okay with every wanting you to get fired?
If we suck the rest of the year, fine. If we make a bowl, then STFU.
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Post by solodog on Sept 24, 2012 8:13:56 GMT -8
I've been an aztec fan for a long time, which means I old. I've bee through this all before. I tired of all the so called fans wanting to sack the football coach only after one and 1/3 season. Rocky has brought a lot of good things to this program and I think with a few more games this season will turn around. I remember the same being said about a certain basketball coach after a few years at he helm. Thirteen years later he is being nominated for sainthood. Please give Rocky some time to develope the system. One year is not enough to get all his recuits in place. Also when Rocky started his first year the recuits were all Brady's. His recuits just started this year. By the way how's Brady doing now. Are his fans asking for his head on a stick like some of our our so called aztec fans???
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Sept 24, 2012 8:41:19 GMT -8
This game was a lot like the Wyoming game and the NOLA game from last year. Fairly evenly matched teams in terms of talent, but the Aztecs found a way to lose a game they should have one. Still, I like how hard this team plays, they are just lacking a few studs on the defensive line and in the secondary.
The reality is our program is at the upper levels of the MWC and that's it. Whether you like it (or want to accept it), talent wise we belong with the SJSU's, Fresno's and Nevada's of the world. Good but not even close to elite. The Big East is going to be a struggle unless we can significantly improve our defensive recruiting.
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Post by azzfan on Sept 24, 2012 8:54:46 GMT -8
I've been an aztec fan for a long time, which means I old. I've bee through this all before. I tired of all the so called fans wanting to sack the football coach only after one and 1/3 season. Rocky has brought a lot of good things to this program and I think with a few more games this season will turn around. I remember the same being said about a certain basketball coach after a few years at he helm. Thirteen years later he is being nominated for sainthood. Please give Rocky some time to develope the system. One year is not enough to get all his recuits in place. Also when Rocky started his first year the recuits were all Brady's. His recuits just started this year. By the way how's Brady doing now. Are his fans asking for his head on a stick like some of our our so called aztec fans??? Though I appreciate your point of view in giving RL time, you can hardly compare him with SF. Rocky was the safe hire. Everyone including him knows that.
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Post by halfnip on Sept 24, 2012 8:54:56 GMT -8
So if you guys make a messed somewhat early in your new job, after initial success and your bosses being happy with you that you would be okay with every wanting you to get fired? If we suck the rest of the year, fine. If we make a bowl, then STFU. Dunno where you work, but that is exactly how it's like in my industry. Hell, if the company as a whole isn't doing well, there's no logic to it--numbers are pulled and you're SOL.
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 24, 2012 9:02:45 GMT -8
So if you guys make a messed somewhat early in your new job, after initial success and your bosses being happy with you that you would be okay with every wanting you to get fired? If we suck the rest of the year, fine. If we make a bowl, then STFU. Dunno where you work, but that is exactly how it's like in my industry. Hell, if the company as a whole isn't doing well, there's no logic to it--numbers are pulled and you're SOL. If you have a successful track record, in most industries you get a longer leesh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 9:23:14 GMT -8
Reverting back to the original intent of this thread, I personally accept some of the blame for the unnecessary ranting that occurred on this board shortly following the game Saturday night. It is not fair to other posters, readers, fans, players, and especially recruits. This is a wonderful program that supports a great university. I do humbly apologize for my participation in this unproductive venting of building frustration. Perhaps, as done on other boards following a loss such as this, it would be wise for the moderators to shut the board down for 24-hrs, allowing ample time for peoples jets to cool before posting. Took a lot of guts to post that. I was pissed too and hence my rare and very direct message to start this topic. However, I actually would never want to silence critics of this team or program but I felt I needed to speak out and at least give a different perspective. I think one thing is that we need to keep in mind, this isn't year 4 of a program, it really is year two. I know even though Rocky was here and recruited many players, you shouldn't under estimate the toll Hoke's departure left on this team. The other day I was on Michigan's coaching website. Take a look at his assistants. In many ways this program had to almost start over when Rocky took over. He got us to a bowl his first year and I bet we go again this year. www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/coaches-m-footbl.htmlI count 7 coaches (including Wellman) who all left in 2010.
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Post by MarshallU on Sept 24, 2012 9:36:25 GMT -8
Imagine how us 30 percent feel that people are making excuses for losing to a mediocre San Jose State team at home "at home"... i suppose, technically. but aztecs football at the Q is definitely more neutral site than home.
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 24, 2012 9:38:06 GMT -8
Very good points about most of the coaching staff bolting for Michigan. But is it fair to say then, that we as a program have taken a step back in coaching caliber with Rocky as opposed to when we had Coach Hoke? If so, that is unacceptable. I personally like Coach Rocky, but already in his short time we have really lost some games we had no business losing. There at the least needs to be a game we win where we are the underdog to make up for it. Fresno, Nevada, Boise. If we dont win ONE of those, this season is a stalmate. Reverting back to the original intent of this thread, I personally accept some of the blame for the unnecessary ranting that occurred on this board shortly following the game Saturday night. It is not fair to other posters, readers, fans, players, and especially recruits. This is a wonderful program that supports a great university. I do humbly apologize for my participation in this unproductive venting of building frustration. Perhaps, as done on other boards following a loss such as this, it would be wise for the moderators to shut the board down for 24-hrs, allowing ample time for peoples jets to cool before posting. Took a lot of guts to post that. I was pissed too and hence my rare and very direct message to start this topic. However, I actually would never want to silence critics of this team or program but I felt I needed to speak out and at least give a different perspective. I think one thing is that we need to keep in mind, this isn't year 4 of a program, it really is year two. I know even though Rocky was here and recruited many players, you shouldn't under estimate the toll Hoke's departure left on this team. The other day I was on Michigan's coaching website. Take a look at his assistants. In many ways this program had to almost start over when Rocky took over. He got us to a bowl his first year and I bet we go again this year. www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/coaches-m-footbl.htmlI count 7 coaches (including Wellman) who all left in 2010.
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Post by halfnip on Sept 24, 2012 9:43:42 GMT -8
Very good points about most of the coaching staff bolting for Michigan. But is it fair to say then, that we as a program have taken a step back in coaching caliber with Rocky as opposed to when we had Coach Hoke? If so, that is unacceptable. I personally like Coach Rocky, but already in his short time we have really lost some games we had no business losing. There at the least needs to be a game we win where we are the underdog to make up for it. Fresno, Nevada, Boise. If we dont win ONE of those, this season is a stalmate. Took a lot of guts to post that. I was pissed too and hence my rare and very direct message to start this topic. However, I actually would never want to silence critics of this team or program but I felt I needed to speak out and at least give a different perspective. I think one thing is that we need to keep in mind, this isn't year 4 of a program, it really is year two. I know even though Rocky was here and recruited many players, you shouldn't under estimate the toll Hoke's departure left on this team. The other day I was on Michigan's coaching website. Take a look at his assistants. In many ways this program had to almost start over when Rocky took over. He got us to a bowl his first year and I bet we go again this year. www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/coaches-m-footbl.htmlI count 7 coaches (including Wellman) who all left in 2010. I'm not sure. IMO, we have to now win 2 of those games. Going into the season, most said on paper, we'd only lose to Nevada and Boise with the potential of possibly winning one of those. At this point, even if we lose to both Boise and Nevada and beat Fresno, how would this season be an improvement from last season?
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Post by myownwords on Sept 24, 2012 9:46:04 GMT -8
Everybody is frustrated by the slow progress of Rocky's tenure so far. But thats what this board is for. To bitch, complain, and give the fans/supporters a voice of opinion. I believe sometimes those voices get heard. Especially when they are in the form of losing $$$. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out, if Coach can get the players to stay focused, believe and execute. Reverting back to the original intent of this thread, I personally accept some of the blame for the unnecessary ranting that occurred on this board shortly following the game Saturday night. It is not fair to other posters, readers, fans, players, and especially recruits. This is a wonderful program that supports a great university. I do humbly apologize for my participation in this unproductive venting of building frustration. Perhaps, as done on other boards following a loss such as this, it would be wise for the moderators to shut the board down for 24-hrs, allowing ample time for peoples jets to cool before posting. Sorry, in my view, the frustration has more to do with regression, than imaginary slow progress.
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 24, 2012 9:50:33 GMT -8
im my mind, the "slow progress" i say is based off of this past years recruiting class. I feel we've landed some athletes that we dont normally get in years past. And well, the fact is we are in contention for a bowl, even if we back into it. Three years in a row would be progress. Slow, but nonetheless. Everybody is frustrated by the slow progress of Rocky's tenure so far. But thats what this board is for. To bitch, complain, and give the fans/supporters a voice of opinion. I believe sometimes those voices get heard. Especially when they are in the form of losing $$$. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out, if Coach can get the players to stay focused, believe and execute. Sorry, in my view, the frustration has more to do with regression, than imaginary slow progress.
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Post by halfnip on Sept 24, 2012 9:52:27 GMT -8
im my mind, the "slow progress" i say is based off of this past years recruiting class. I feel we've landed some athletes that we dont normally get in years past. And well, the fact is we are in contention for a bowl, even if we back into it. Three years in a row would be progress. Slow, but nonetheless. Sorry, in my view, the frustration has more to do with regression, than imaginary slow progress. Matt, you're talking about consistency. Progress would be finishing the season better than last year and or not making the same mistakes you made the year before. IMO, this has not been happening this season...
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 24, 2012 9:53:49 GMT -8
I think those expectations of SDSU only losing to Nevada and Boise were strictly viewpoints of some of us on this board. The national media all picked us to be middle of the pack in the MWC. The point is Rocky needs to prove he can pull some note worthy upsets. If we cant win all of the games we are Supposed to win, we need to pull off some upsets of games we are not supposed to win. Very good points about most of the coaching staff bolting for Michigan. But is it fair to say then, that we as a program have taken a step back in coaching caliber with Rocky as opposed to when we had Coach Hoke? If so, that is unacceptable. I personally like Coach Rocky, but already in his short time we have really lost some games we had no business losing. There at the least needs to be a game we win where we are the underdog to make up for it. Fresno, Nevada, Boise. If we dont win ONE of those, this season is a stalmate. I'm not sure. IMO, we have to now win 2 of those games. Going into the season, most said on paper, we'd only lose to Nevada and Boise with the potential of possibly winning one of those. At this point, even if we lose to both Boise and Nevada and beat Fresno, how would this season be an improvement from last season?
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Post by matteosandiego on Sept 24, 2012 9:55:33 GMT -8
True. But in SDSU's case, (and i cringe when i say it) but consistency IS progress. lol im my mind, the "slow progress" i say is based off of this past years recruiting class. I feel we've landed some athletes that we dont normally get in years past. And well, the fact is we are in contention for a bowl, even if we back into it. Three years in a row would be progress. Slow, but nonetheless. Matt, you're talking about consistency. Progress would be finishing the season better than last year and or not making the same mistakes you made the year before. IMO, this has not been happening this season...
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Post by halfnip on Sept 24, 2012 9:56:05 GMT -8
I think those expectations of SDSU only losing to Nevada and Boise were strictly viewpoints of some of us on this board. The national media all picked us to be middle of the pack in the MWC. The point is Rocky needs to prove he can pull some note worthy upsets. If we cant win all of the games we are Supposed to win, we need to pull of some upsets of games we are not supposed to win. I'm not sure. IMO, we have to now win 2 of those games. Going into the season, most said on paper, we'd only lose to Nevada and Boise with the potential of possibly winning one of those. At this point, even if we lose to both Boise and Nevada and beat Fresno, how would this season be an improvement from last season? Completely agree...
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Post by monty on Sept 24, 2012 10:11:17 GMT -8
Dunno where you work, but that is exactly how it's like in my industry. Hell, if the company as a whole isn't doing well, there's no logic to it--numbers are pulled and you're SOL. If you have a successful track record, in most industries you get a longer leesh. He doesn't have a succesful track record. 12-49 against bowl teams in 12 years as a coach (not including this year, so likely 0-2 already) JYP has pointed out that teams he's been a lead assistant on were well under .500. The guy is not a successful coach.
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