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Post by KickAztec on Jan 25, 2011 8:53:57 GMT -8
Hi All- New to the board, and I have to admit new to the Zuma issue, so I I'm not aware of all of the details. I am a b-ball season ticket holder, however- a "customer" if you will. And as a customer my opinion is that Zuma is a distraction and confusing. We should have one mascot (Zuma is cheerleading around the games- how can it be considered not a mascot?). SDSU already struggles with consistency and simplicity in their branding (too many logos, too many color and font combinations). Having a second mascot only further confuses the branding of the school. Thanks to everyone for putting your time and energy to this issue. Good to see some passion for the Aztecs! Welcome to the board and let me thank you for getting the real issue. It's a branding issue. I don't understand why the administration doesn't engage any of the really smart people in the SDSU business school who could probably provide some excellent advice around branding and projecting a consistent image. Or maybe they have and ignored it. In any case, I doubt that advice would include the addition of a cat as being representative of the Aztec brand.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 25, 2011 8:56:20 GMT -8
Wow this is like reality TV - who's gonna win the next cat fight? Stay tuned... I always win, because I am in the meetings and know the truth. Campanile is guessing on the issue and has never been part of anything to do with this issue. Hey, how is that a non educated person like me gets on these committees and has a hand in getting things done and a well educated "gaduate" like Campanile can't? Hmmm...A lot of good that degree did you gaduate. Merry Christmas
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 25, 2011 8:57:23 GMT -8
Ok, Campanile... You don't believe that Zuma is here to phaseout Monty and on the other hand we believe Steve when he says the ultimate plan is for Zuma to be the mascot and retire Monty, right? And from what I understand is you prefer Monty, right? Now, I'm confused. If you prefer Monty, why do you spend so much energy in proving Steve is wrong? Why do you care if Steve's story is bogus? Steve's ultimate goal is to keep Monty which you are in favor of. This seems to me more and more of your dislike of Steve because he loves the AZTECS so much (more than you) and he doesn't even hold a Diploma. I don't care if someone only took a semester - Once an AZTEC, always an AZTEC. Heck, we've got big money donors who didn't attend state. What matters is they care about San Diego State. Most SEC school fans never even finished high school, so should school hate on half of its fan base because they didn't graduate or go to that school? YOu are so confusing! It is possible to support the Aztec Warrior without spreading lies and promoting fear through bogus and manufactured threats. I like the Aztec Warrior, but I don't like being manipulated. Steve has made many claims and proved nothing. There's the statement that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior. Never mind the Warrior is front and center all the time. Never mind that the university has indicated that the Warrior is to remain our primary mascot. Then we hear from Steve that the school will not replace the out-going Warrior. But wait, the school says they will be conducting a search after all! Then Steve delivers the coup de grâce, Zuma is funded by the school while the Warrior is not! But wait! That may not be true! Evidently one mascot is funded by the Student Assn. while the other is funded by the Alumni Assn. So, what's that about one being funded while the other is not? Where's the beef man? Where's the proof that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior? There isn't even any evidence let alone proof. I don't like being lied to and manipulated just because some old fart has a problem with the SECONDARY MASCOT. I don't like it when he lies about long-time and loyal SDSU employees just because he doesn't like the SECONDARY MASCOT. Furthermore, my love of SDSU cannot be measured by a stupid debate about a mascot. I put blood, sweat, and tears into that school in ways that Steve will never know. Unlike Steve, who is just a sports fan, I am one of thousands tied academically to the school. Like my mother and father before me, I've invested the countless hours there studying, stressing, attending classes, preparing for finals, and turning in research papers. I loved SDSU so much that I jumped through all the hoops to graduate while working full time. I owe much of who I am and what I have in life to SDSU. It was my generation of students who paid for the library extension, Viejas Arena, and a bunch of other buildings that make up what SDSU is today. We were there with the construction hassles, fee increases, and cuts in classes. I paid my dues at SDSU and I have the credentials to prove it. You going to lecture me about Steve loving the school more just because he manufactured a threat to the Warrior mascot? Because he fiddles with the mascots all day? You've been snowed. Steve is not a fan of SDSU! He's a sports fan who by most accounts despises much of the good folks running the school. He has certainly mocked and made fun of my SDSU degrees. This guy is all about mascots and sporting events, so don't try to tell me he loves the school more. Ha! There is no threat to the Warrior! He just doesn't like the Cat. I pay my alumni dues, traveled by plain, trains, and automobile thousands of miles to support my team, and I've even supported AWF. You don't know anything about my relationship and appreciation of/with SDSU. Yeah, you are confused. One confused and easily manipulated dude, no doubt. Please stop calling me a liar and using personal attacks.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 25, 2011 8:59:06 GMT -8
Are you looking at the SAME poll? Its SPLIT. Half of the posters want Zuma (G-damn BYU mascot) OUT. Not quite split down the middle though, is it. I don't care if he stays or goes. Just don't try to tell me he's there to replace the Warrior just because you don't like him... unless you have some proof. If you don't care if Zuma comes or goes, why are you on this thread so much?
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 25, 2011 9:01:05 GMT -8
I wish there was something to do the opposite of "ttt". There is (Hey, I hear you are related to TecPride, no wonder you are on this thread). If you don't post on it, it doesn't come back to the top.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2011 9:07:08 GMT -8
ttt
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Post by sdfootballfan on Jan 25, 2011 9:28:55 GMT -8
This is hillirious! All this hostility over grown men wearing costumes.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 25, 2011 13:41:45 GMT -8
Ok, Campanile... You don't believe that Zuma is here to phaseout Monty and on the other hand we believe Steve when he says the ultimate plan is for Zuma to be the mascot and retire Monty, right? And from what I understand is you prefer Monty, right? Now, I'm confused. If you prefer Monty, why do you spend so much energy in proving Steve is wrong? Why do you care if Steve's story is bogus? Steve's ultimate goal is to keep Monty which you are in favor of. This seems to me more and more of your dislike of Steve because he loves the AZTECS so much (more than you) and he doesn't even hold a Diploma. I don't care if someone only took a semester - Once an AZTEC, always an AZTEC. Heck, we've got big money donors who didn't attend state. What matters is they care about San Diego State. Most SEC school fans never even finished high school, so should school hate on half of its fan base because they didn't graduate or go to that school? YOu are so confusing! It is possible to support the Aztec Warrior without spreading lies and promoting fear through bogus and manufactured threats. I like the Aztec Warrior, but I don't like being manipulated. Steve has made many claims and proved nothing. There's the statement that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior. Never mind the Warrior is front and center all the time. Never mind that the university has indicated that the Warrior is to remain our primary mascot. Then we hear from Steve that the school will not replace the out-going Warrior. But wait, the school says they will be conducting a search after all! Then Steve delivers the coup de grâce, Zuma is funded by the school while the Warrior is not! But wait! That may not be true! Evidently one mascot is funded by the Student Assn. while the other is funded by the Alumni Assn. So, what's that about one being funded while the other is not? Where's the beef man? Where's the proof that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior? There isn't even any evidence let alone proof. I don't like being lied to and manipulated just because some old fart has a problem with the SECONDARY MASCOT. I don't like it when he lies about long-time and loyal SDSU employees just because he doesn't like the SECONDARY MASCOT. Furthermore, my love of SDSU cannot be measured by a stupid debate about a mascot. I put blood, sweat, and tears into that school in ways that Steve will never know. Unlike Steve, who is just a sports fan, I am one of thousands tied academically to the school. Like my mother and father before me, I've invested the countless hours there studying, stressing, attending classes, preparing for finals, and turning in research papers. I loved SDSU so much that I jumped through all the hoops to graduate while working full time. I owe much of who I am and what I have in life to SDSU. It was my generation of students who paid for the library extension, Viejas Arena, and a bunch of other buildings that make up what SDSU is today. We were there with the construction hassles, fee increases, and cuts in classes. I paid my dues at SDSU and I have the credentials to prove it. You going to lecture me about Steve loving the school more just because he manufactured a threat to the Warrior mascot? Because he fiddles with the mascots all day? You've been snowed. Steve is not a fan of SDSU! He's a sports fan who by most accounts despises much of the good folks running the school. He has certainly mocked and made fun of my SDSU degrees. This guy is all about mascots and sporting events, so don't try to tell me he loves the school more. Ha! There is no threat to the Warrior! He just doesn't like the Cat. I pay my alumni dues, traveled by plain, trains, and automobile thousands of miles to support my team, and I've even supported AWF. You don't know anything about my relationship and appreciation of/with SDSU. Yeah, you are confused. One confused and easily manipulated dude, no doubt. I'm not a fan of San Diego State? Are you serious?
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Post by thomgeno on Jan 25, 2011 14:16:08 GMT -8
So, we finally learn a little more about campy. He thinks doing all of the school work makes him more of an SDSU fan than someone else who didn't necessarily graduate from State.
He's apparently not old enough to understand the significance of the Aztec Warrior vs Zuma fight/discussion either.
I've had very little academic contact with SDSU, but I do have a BS and MS from schools that don't have athletics programs. But I have been a fan of the Aztecs since transferring here in the Navy in 1976.
The admins keep putting Zuma out front much more than they are the Warrior. To me, that means they are trying to push Zuma.
The inside info from more than one source indicates that to be the case. I trust Steve's viewpoint a hell of a lot more than I trust yours, or Schnall's claims.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 25, 2011 15:06:14 GMT -8
Ok, Campanile... You don't believe that Zuma is here to phaseout Monty and on the other hand we believe Steve when he says the ultimate plan is for Zuma to be the mascot and retire Monty, right? And from what I understand is you prefer Monty, right? Now, I'm confused. If you prefer Monty, why do you spend so much energy in proving Steve is wrong? Why do you care if Steve's story is bogus? Steve's ultimate goal is to keep Monty which you are in favor of. This seems to me more and more of your dislike of Steve because he loves the AZTECS so much (more than you) and he doesn't even hold a Diploma. I don't care if someone only took a semester - Once an AZTEC, always an AZTEC. Heck, we've got big money donors who didn't attend state. What matters is they care about San Diego State. Most SEC school fans never even finished high school, so should school hate on half of its fan base because they didn't graduate or go to that school? YOu are so confusing! It is possible to support the Aztec Warrior without spreading lies and promoting fear through bogus and manufactured threats. I like the Aztec Warrior, but I don't like being manipulated. Steve has made many claims and proved nothing. There's the statement that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior. Never mind the Warrior is front and center all the time. Never mind that the university has indicated that the Warrior is to remain our primary mascot. Then we hear from Steve that the school will not replace the out-going Warrior. But wait, the school says they will be conducting a search after all! Then Steve delivers the coup de grâce, Zuma is funded by the school while the Warrior is not! But wait! That may not be true! Evidently one mascot is funded by the Student Assn. while the other is funded by the Alumni Assn. So, what's that about one being funded while the other is not? Where's the beef man? Where's the proof that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior? There isn't even any evidence let alone proof. I don't like being lied to and manipulated just because some old fart has a problem with the SECONDARY MASCOT. I don't like it when he lies about long-time and loyal SDSU employees just because he doesn't like the SECONDARY MASCOT. Furthermore, my love of SDSU cannot be measured by a stupid debate about a mascot. I put blood, sweat, and tears into that school in ways that Steve will never know. Unlike Steve, who is just a sports fan, I am one of thousands tied academically to the school. Like my mother and father before me, I've invested the countless hours there studying, stressing, attending classes, preparing for finals, and turning in research papers. I loved SDSU so much that I jumped through all the hoops to graduate while working full time. I owe much of who I am and what I have in life to SDSU. It was my generation of students who paid for the library extension, Viejas Arena, and a bunch of other buildings that make up what SDSU is today. We were there with the construction hassles, fee increases, and cuts in classes. I paid my dues at SDSU and I have the credentials to prove it. You going to lecture me about Steve loving the school more just because he manufactured a threat to the Warrior mascot? Because he fiddles with the mascots all day? You've been snowed. Steve is not a fan of SDSU! He's a sports fan who by most accounts despises much of the good folks running the school. He has certainly mocked and made fun of my SDSU degrees. This guy is all about mascots and sporting events, so don't try to tell me he loves the school more. Ha! There is no threat to the Warrior! He just doesn't like the Cat. I pay my alumni dues, traveled by plain, trains, and automobile thousands of miles to support my team, and I've even supported AWF. You don't know anything about my relationship and appreciation of/with SDSU. Yeah, you are confused. One confused and easily manipulated dude, no doubt. Where do I start on this post of yours Campy? -I have never said that I knew for sure that the University was phasing out the Aztec Warrior. I said I am not going to wait around and find it out after the fact. -The Warrior isn't front and center all the time. Zuma is front and center most of the time or at least equal. -The University has not come forward and said what their intentions are with Zuma (at least not Dr. Weber). Only Steve Schnall has and everything Steve Schnall has told the Aztec Warrior Foundation in the last 10 years has turned out to not be true (or 95% of it). -I didn't say that the University is not replacing the Warrior. Steve Schnall and Jim Herrick did in the mascot meeting. (Again, 95% of what Steve Schnall has told us has not been true) -I didn't originally say that Zuma was funded by the school. That was Rulon, but you've conveniently tried to prove that I lied by bringing it up. -You don't like being lied too and manipulated, but you sit there and get lied too and manipulated by some Admins at San Diego State. It sounds like to me that you like to sit back and enjoy taking it from them. -Hey, here is one you are correct on. I HATE ZUMA!!!!! -You jumped through hoops to graduate? Good for you and for doing that you came out like this? Ohhh Myyy, what a bad investment you made. -I don't fiddle with mascots all day. In fact I don't fiddle with sports all day. I probably watch less sports than you do. -I never made fun of your degree until you mocked me for not graduating over and over for a 7 year period on approx. 7 different boards. SMA gaduate. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Merry Christmas.
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Post by Pssst13 on Jan 25, 2011 15:22:31 GMT -8
Ok, Campanile... You don't believe that Zuma is here to phaseout Monty and on the other hand we believe Steve when he says the ultimate plan is for Zuma to be the mascot and retire Monty, right? And from what I understand is you prefer Monty, right? Now, I'm confused. If you prefer Monty, why do you spend so much energy in proving Steve is wrong? Why do you care if Steve's story is bogus? Steve's ultimate goal is to keep Monty which you are in favor of. This seems to me more and more of your dislike of Steve because he loves the AZTECS so much (more than you) and he doesn't even hold a Diploma. I don't care if someone only took a semester - Once an AZTEC, always an AZTEC. Heck, we've got big money donors who didn't attend state. What matters is they care about San Diego State. Most SEC school fans never even finished high school, so should school hate on half of its fan base because they didn't graduate or go to that school? YOu are so confusing! It is possible to support the Aztec Warrior without spreading lies and promoting fear through bogus and manufactured threats. I like the Aztec Warrior, but I don't like being manipulated. Steve has made many claims and proved nothing. There's the statement that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior. Never mind the Warrior is front and center all the time. Never mind that the university has indicated that the Warrior is to remain our primary mascot. Then we hear from Steve that the school will not replace the out-going Warrior. But wait, the school says they will be conducting a search after all! Then Steve delivers the coup de grâce, Zuma is funded by the school while the Warrior is not! But wait! That may not be true! Evidently one mascot is funded by the Student Assn. while the other is funded by the Alumni Assn. So, what's that about one being funded while the other is not? Where's the beef man? Where's the proof that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior? There isn't even any evidence let alone proof. I don't like being lied to and manipulated just because some old fart has a problem with the SECONDARY MASCOT. I don't like it when he lies about long-time and loyal SDSU employees just because he doesn't like the SECONDARY MASCOT. Furthermore, my love of SDSU cannot be measured by a stupid debate about a mascot. I put blood, sweat, and tears into that school in ways that Steve will never know. Unlike Steve, who is just a sports fan, I am one of thousands tied academically to the school. Like my mother and father before me, I've invested the countless hours there studying, stressing, attending classes, preparing for finals, and turning in research papers. I loved SDSU so much that I jumped through all the hoops to graduate while working full time. I owe much of who I am and what I have in life to SDSU. It was my generation of students who paid for the library extension, Viejas Arena, and a bunch of other buildings that make up what SDSU is today. We were there with the construction hassles, fee increases, and cuts in classes. I paid my dues at SDSU and I have the credentials to prove it. You going to lecture me about Steve loving the school more just because he manufactured a threat to the Warrior mascot? Because he fiddles with the mascots all day? You've been snowed. Steve is not a fan of SDSU! He's a sports fan who by most accounts despises much of the good folks running the school. He has certainly mocked and made fun of my SDSU degrees. This guy is all about mascots and sporting events, so don't try to tell me he loves the school more. Ha! There is no threat to the Warrior! He just doesn't like the Cat. I pay my alumni dues, traveled by plain, trains, and automobile thousands of miles to support my team, and I've even supported AWF. You don't know anything about my relationship and appreciation of/with SDSU. Yeah, you are confused. One confused and easily manipulated dude, no doubt. It sounds like you and I were are San Diego State right around the same time ('97 Grad), worked full time while going to school (I was a 18 year old dad) and donates to AWF and pays alumni dues, unfortunately, our similarities stops there. You are blind and I'm open minded. The first issue I have is the funding of Zuma by our school when our real mascot needs help. Why is there a need for a secondary mascot? Does Zuma bring more fans to the games? No, only winning does. They need to be supporting and funding the mascot 99% of current and former AZTECS prefer to represent us - which is Monty. I've got other issues with Zuma but elaborate I will not since you are one who prefers to be blind on the issue at hand. GoAZTECS!
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Post by campanile on Jan 25, 2011 17:42:50 GMT -8
The admin has asked Steve and me to refrain from posting messages on this particular subject, and I will comply as long as Steve does.
I leave this thread and topic with the following:
I do not consider myself a better Aztec fan or more loyal to SDSU because I graduated. I understand that all of us are running our own race. And I appreciate anyone who cares about and supports SDSU academics and sports programs whether they graduated from SDSU or not.. Each of my comments about my experiences on campus came from a position of defense after I was told that I do not care about the school and/or it traditions. My point was, how can someone who has spent the amount of time on campus to complete several personal goals not have strong ties to the school? I owe most of what I have in terms of career, personal growth, and personal wealth to my time spent at SDSU. I love San Diego State and it's traditions as much as anyone. SDSU belongs to all of us, not just those who hold degrees from the school.
Having said that, I fail to see how forming a crusade against what SDSU officially calls "a secondary mascot" trumps my experiences on the "loyalist fan of SDSU meter".
I'd like to respond to Steve's latest 10 point response and point out what I see as some inconsistencies and double speak, but again the board admin has asked us both to stop. So, I will let Steve have the final say. Anyone who has bothered to read my messages should know by now what my position is anyway.
As for personal insults... I have received plenty of personal insults from numerous posters including Steve, and I have given back my fair share. I'm no different from most, if you push I'll shove.
To Pssst13... I graduated in 1993 and went on to finished a masters. I too was a working father of two small children, 15 months apart in age. I can appreciate your hard work juggling family, work, and school in the effort to get ahead in life.
I do not begrudge you or anyone else for disliking the Zuma character. That is personal taste. I can also understand you questioning why we need two mascots. I have an open mind. Evidently funding is not really an issue as one mascot is paid for by the Associated Students while the other by the Alumni Assn. Both mascots are visible at sporting events. But only one bears the name for whom the school is known, "Aztec". Only one is front and center in representing the school nationally on TV and in name. Only one holds the spear that is presented to inductees to the Aztec Hall of Fame. One mascot is clearly paramount.
I think it is a touch closed minded to reject with extreme hostility the idea that there is room for new traditions in addition to the old at SDSU. I'm sorry if I don't agree that my position of openness to the ideas of expansion, experimentation, and inclusion is an example of close mindedness. As for my skepticism over whether the Zuma character was created to phase out the Warrior... what can I say? I'm part of the data based community on this message board. It's just how I'm wired. If you make statements and present them as fact, I will ask you to provide data. I'm also human, if you call me names, make fun of my education, and challenge my loyalty to the school, you my get the same treatment in kind, as Steve and a couple of others found out.
Let's agree to disagree on this. I wish you all the best, and I'll see you in other threads.
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Post by aztecfred on Jan 25, 2011 20:13:23 GMT -8
So Steve will you be able to update us on future Monty/AW meetings?
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2011 20:21:24 GMT -8
I just never understood why guys like Campy just couldn't leave this thread alone. It was harmless. It was clear from the beginning that all Steve and others are trying to do is to MAKE SURE that the Aztec Warrior will never be REPLACED. He has his reasons to be believe it is possible. As Campy has shown in other threads, on different message boards, he's a guy that just like to stir s**t up. That's what pissed me off. Go back to page 3 or 4 on this thread and you'll see where Campy started all this bashing s**t. He's the one that started all the bulls**T. He STARTED all the personal attacks. Just like he always has. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2011 20:37:16 GMT -8
The admin has asked Steve and me to refrain from posting messages on this particular subject, and I will comply as long as Steve does. I leave this thread and topic with the following: I do not consider myself a better Aztec fan or more loyal to SDSU because I graduated. I understand that all of us are running our own race. And I appreciate anyone who cares about and supports SDSU academics and sports programs whether they graduated from SDSU or not.. Each of my comments about my experiences on campus came from a position of defense after I was told that I do not care about the school and/or it traditions. My point was, how can someone who has spent the amount of time on campus to complete several personal goals not have strong ties to the school? I owe most of what I have in terms of career, personal growth, and personal wealth to my time spent at SDSU. I love San Diego State and it's traditions as much as anyone. SDSU belongs to all of us, not just those who hold degrees from the school. Having said that, I fail to see how forming a crusade against what SDSU officially calls "a secondary mascot" trumps my experiences on the "loyalist fan of SDSU meter". I'd like to respond to Steve's latest 10 point response and point out what I see as some inconsistencies and double speak, but again the board admin has asked us both to stop. So, I will let Steve have the final say. Anyone who has bothered to read my messages should know by now what my position is anyway. As for personal insults... I have received plenty of personal insults from numerous posters including Steve, and I have given back my fair share. I'm no different from most, if you push I'll shove. To Pssst13... I graduated in 1993 and went on to finished a masters. I too was a working father of two small children, 15 months apart in age. I can appreciate your hard work juggling family, work, and school in the effort to get ahead in life. I do not begrudge you or anyone else for disliking the Zuma character. That is personal taste. I can also understand you questioning why we need two mascots. I have an open mind. Evidently funding is not really an issue as one mascot is paid for by the Associated Students while the other by the Alumni Assn. Both mascots are visible at sporting events. But only one bears the name for whom the school is known, "Aztec". Only one is front and center in representing the school nationally on TV and in name. Only one holds the spear that is presented to inductees to the Aztec Hall of Fame. One mascot is clearly paramount. I think it is a touch closed minded to reject with extreme hostility the idea that there is room for new traditions in addition to the old at SDSU. I'm sorry if I don't agree that my position of openness to the ideas of expansion, experimentation, and inclusion is an example of close mindedness. As for my skepticism over whether the Zuma character was created to phase out the Warrior... what can I say? I'm part of the data based community on this message board. It's just how I'm wired. If you make statements and present them as fact, I will ask you to provide data. I'm also human, if you call me names, make fun of my education, and challenge my loyalty to the school, you my get the same treatment in kind, as Steve and a couple of others found out. Let's agree to disagree on this. I wish you all the best, and I'll see you in other threads. It's not true that you only retaliate once attacked. You clearly started the bulls**t bashing on this thread. Look it up. I have no respect for people like you. That's why I'm pissed.
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Post by OfficialAztecINSIDER on Jan 25, 2011 21:01:36 GMT -8
It's not true that you only retaliate once attacked. You clearly started the bulls**t bashing on this thread. Look it up. I have no respect for people like you. That's why I'm pissed. Pissed over a Zuma thread on a message board? Grow up.
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Jan 25, 2011 21:22:03 GMT -8
It is possible to support the Aztec Warrior without spreading lies and promoting fear through bogus and manufactured threats. I like the Aztec Warrior, but I don't like being manipulated. Steve has made many claims and proved nothing. There's the statement that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior. Never mind the Warrior is front and center all the time. Never mind that the university has indicated that the Warrior is to remain our primary mascot. Then we hear from Steve that the school will not replace the out-going Warrior. But wait, the school says they will be conducting a search after all! Then Steve delivers the coup de grâce, Zuma is funded by the school while the Warrior is not! But wait! That may not be true! Evidently one mascot is funded by the Student Assn. while the other is funded by the Alumni Assn. So, what's that about one being funded while the other is not? Where's the beef man? Where's the proof that Zuma is phasing out the Warrior? There isn't even any evidence let alone proof. I don't like being lied to and manipulated just because some old fart has a problem with the SECONDARY MASCOT. I don't like it when he lies about long-time and loyal SDSU employees just because he doesn't like the SECONDARY MASCOT. Furthermore, my love of SDSU cannot be measured by a stupid debate about a mascot. I put blood, sweat, and tears into that school in ways that Steve will never know. Unlike Steve, who is just a sports fan, I am one of thousands tied academically to the school. Like my mother and father before me, I've invested the countless hours there studying, stressing, attending classes, preparing for finals, and turning in research papers. I loved SDSU so much that I jumped through all the hoops to graduate while working full time. I owe much of who I am and what I have in life to SDSU. It was my generation of students who paid for the library extension, Viejas Arena, and a bunch of other buildings that make up what SDSU is today. We were there with the construction hassles, fee increases, and cuts in classes. I paid my dues at SDSU and I have the credentials to prove it. You going to lecture me about Steve loving the school more just because he manufactured a threat to the Warrior mascot? Because he fiddles with the mascots all day? You've been snowed. Steve is not a fan of SDSU! He's a sports fan who by most accounts despises much of the good folks running the school. He has certainly mocked and made fun of my SDSU degrees. This guy is all about mascots and sporting events, so don't try to tell me he loves the school more. Ha! There is no threat to the Warrior! He just doesn't like the Cat. I pay my alumni dues, traveled by plain, trains, and automobile thousands of miles to support my team, and I've even supported AWF. You don't know anything about my relationship and appreciation of/with SDSU. Yeah, you are confused. One confused and easily manipulated dude, no doubt. Where do I start on this post of yours Campy? -I have never said that I knew for sure that the University was phasing out the Aztec Warrior. I said I am not going to wait around and find it out after the fact. -The Warrior isn't front and center all the time. Zuma is front and center most of the time or at least equal. -The University has not come forward and said what their intentions are with Zuma (at least not Dr. Weber). Only Steve Schnall has and everything Steve Schnall has told the Aztec Warrior Foundation in the last 10 years has turned out to not be true (or 95% of it). -I didn't say that the University is not replacing the Warrior. Steve Schnall and Jim Herrick did in the mascot meeting. (Again, 95% of what Steve Schnall has told us has not been true) -I didn't originally say that Zuma was funded by the school. That was Rulon, but you've conveniently tried to prove that I lied by bringing it up. -You don't like being lied too and manipulated, but you sit there and get lied too and manipulated by some Admins at San Diego State. It sounds like to me that you like to sit back and enjoy taking it from them. -Hey, here is one you are correct on. I HATE ZUMA!!!!! -You jumped through hoops to graduate? Good for you and for doing that you came out like this? Ohhh Myyy, what a bad investment you made. -I don't fiddle with mascots all day. In fact I don't fiddle with sports all day. I probably watch less sports than you do. -I never made fun of your degree until you mocked me for not graduating over and over for a 7 year period on approx. 7 different boards. SMA gaduate. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Merry Christmas. Hey Steve. How about a tertiary mascot. Like Monty Montezuma? ;D
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Post by guyledouche on Jan 25, 2011 22:23:33 GMT -8
Steve are you still allowed to keep us updated on this? This is a real issue to some of us, its a shame that some had to start throwing stones.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2011 22:33:32 GMT -8
It's not true that you only retaliate once attacked. You clearly started the bulls**t bashing on this thread. Look it up. I have no respect for people like you. That's why I'm pissed. Pissed over a Zuma thread on a message board? Grow up. So you're sending the same message to your buddy Campy, right? He's pretty pissed about things. And yes, I get pissed when I see posts that bash people. I'm all for civil debates, but not for sh**tty bashing. Especially from omes that start the bashing. Got it?
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 25, 2011 22:34:37 GMT -8
Steve are you still allowed to keep us updated on this? This is a real issue to some of us, its a shame that some had to start throwing stones. Exactly.
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