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Post by Den60 on Nov 4, 2024 13:35:28 GMT -8
Interesting. The EPL allows for screw in metal studs, the MSL allows for screw in plastic studs, FIFA does not allow for any screw in studs and it appears that the NWSL allows for screw in metal studs at least from what I just read. Typically if metal studs are used it is for wet or very soft field conditions and then usually have to be inspected. I could be totally wrong, but I thought most players have moved away from screw in metal studs since the synthetic in was lighter and less chance of injury and most players have multiple pairs of cleats based on field conditions. After the Chargers left, my buddies and I started an EPL "fantasy" league. One of the guys in the group was an avid soccer fan and I asked him then if they wore metal "cleats" and he said yes. I think metal is still preferred in the EPL because of all the rain they get. Still, if they are screw in they have metal in them regardless of the outer layer. I've seen some soccer "boots" that actually have a molded sole with baseball like cleats. I would think that would do more damage than round metal studs. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 4, 2024 13:38:26 GMT -8
The feeling is the fans (the few that show up) being church mouses, not the stadium. Snapdragon isn't the problem, it's the fans, both the lack thereof and those who do attend. Refuse to get loud, barely cheer when something goes our way, and leave early as he'll. Blaming the stadium for the environment is crazy. The team is not good, bottom line. But what is "crazy" is being dismissive and not looking deeper at the issues. Are SD fans fair-weather? YES. But what's crazy is the AD charging the prices they have at the stadium for a weak product. The stadium is nice, don't get me wrong. But with so much going on outside on the concourses like fantastic food & beverage options, there are a lot of people who dont even go to their seats. They are all at the bars or away from the field. This doesnt help the environment one bit. The main club level right behind the team bench is always empty. You ever ask yourself why? Because everyone is down below in the club drinking, eating and watching on TV inside there. No one cares about the game to be out in their seats watching, making noise, & creating an environment. Viejas is perfect for creating this environment in a big way because there are no such amenities or separation from the action. Then we can get into the fan culture aspect that SDSU has gone out of their way to diminish, but that would be an article. Might have to actually do that. People not sitting in their seats is not uncommon with stadiums with premium club areas unfortunately. It might not make a good visual, but that is what is paying the bills. If I was in one of those I'd be inside at the bar looking to socialize as well. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 4, 2024 13:40:16 GMT -8
The issue seems to lie with the Oak View Group (https://www.oakviewgroup.com/venues/) who manages the stadium for SDSU (who owns it; www.snapdragonstadium.com/about/vision). SDSU contracts with OVG to run and maintain the place, and OVG isn't cutting it in regard to the turf (no pun intended). Out of all the properties that OVG manages, they only have a few outdoor stadiums and, of those, none are as multi-use as Snapdragon. If OVG can't do the job regarding the field, SDSU needs to get out of the contract and bring in another stadium manager such as ASM Global (https://www.asmglobal.com/p/our-portfolio/stadiums) who manages more outdoor stadiums. This field situation is not acceptable. I do expect that SDSU will take a look at this partnership when the season is over. When it comes right down to it, it is the football and rugby that is the hardest on the turf. |
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Post by azteca on Nov 4, 2024 13:58:41 GMT -8
I have a question for anyone who may know. How many times a week does this field actually get used? How often does turf get replaced? We are talking about a full time staff with a basically a new facility that was set up with the latest technology and drainage with top tier turf and yet game after game this field looks BUSH League. This field has had issue after issue from poor looking grass, terrible lines and markings, clumps and or divots, poor footing, sand kicking up and just overall bad looks on TV. We are talking about growing grass in San Diego of all places, where they have some of the finest weather on the entire planet and yet this field looks no better then a 1980's high school football field mid year in Ohio with just 1 facility guy maintaining the entire campus landscape. This field seems to have been basically mismanaged from day one, from poor conditions to bad signage to just overall subpar conditions. This needs to be addressed prior to next year when the MLS shows up and increases usage drastically. The MLS season is Late March to October and the Women's league is April to early November plus all the other usage. This all means that by the time the Aztecs football games are played next year this will be an issue if not addressed because this field has had very few GOOD showings considering how new this place is. The Aztecs have and are the main tenant of this Stadium and yet their field looks and plays terrible. How is it the local team seems to always be suffering more from the field conditions then their competitors with more injuries, slips and just overall poor footing issues game after game. -as that news guy use to say "That's Not Right"* *extra credit, name that dude (prize, hang out with Stan on his next recruiting trip!) Michael Turko |
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Post by waxxon on Nov 4, 2024 14:18:40 GMT -8
The feeling is the fans (the few that show up) being church mouses, not the stadium. Snapdragon isn't the problem, it's the fans, both the lack thereof and those who do attend. Refuse to get loud, barely cheer when something goes our way, and leave early as he'll. Blaming the stadium for the environment is crazy. The team is not good, bottom line. But what is "crazy" is being dismissive and not looking deeper at the issues. Are SD fans fair-weather? YES. But what's crazy is the AD charging the prices they have at the stadium for a weak product. The stadium is nice, don't get me wrong. But with so much going on outside on the concourses like fantastic food & beverage options, there are a lot of people who dont even go to their seats. They are all at the bars or away from the field. This doesnt help the environment one bit. The main club level right behind the team bench is always empty. You ever ask yourself why? Because everyone is down below in the club drinking, eating and watching on TV inside there. No one cares about the game to be out in their seats watching, making noise, & creating an environment. Viejas is perfect for creating this environment in a big way because there are no such amenities or separation from the action. Then we can get into the fan culture aspect that SDSU has gone out of their way to diminish, but that would be an article. Might have to actually do that. Pretty much right on, and club level prices are very high Was looking at the history of some of my old invoices from past years and season ticket prices went from 250/year to 10 times that in Snapdragon, and that's not including the Stadium Excellence contribution. Not a fan of the Lewis style, it's going to take convincing evidence that this coach was the right hire for me to renew my season tickets |
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Post by pbnative on Nov 4, 2024 21:16:24 GMT -8
The feeling is the fans (the few that show up) being church mouses, not the stadium. Snapdragon isn't the problem, it's the fans, both the lack thereof and those who do attend. Refuse to get loud, barely cheer when something goes our way, and leave early as he'll. Blaming the stadium for the environment is crazy. The team is not good, bottom line. But what is "crazy" is being dismissive and not looking deeper at the issues. Are SD fans fair-weather? YES. But what's crazy is the AD charging the prices they have at the stadium for a weak product. The stadium is nice, don't get me wrong. But with so much going on outside on the concourses like fantastic food & beverage options, there are a lot of people who dont even go to their seats. They are all at the bars or away from the field. This doesnt help the environment one bit. The main club level right behind the team bench is always empty. You ever ask yourself why? Because everyone is down below in the club drinking, eating and watching on TV inside there. No one cares about the game to be out in their seats watching, making noise, & creating an environment. Viejas is perfect for creating this environment in a big way because there are no such amenities or separation from the action. Then we can get into the fan culture aspect that SDSU has gone out of their way to diminish, but that would be an article. Might have to actually do that. The need to do a MUCH better job of in game fan engagement and creating a unique environment. ( I know I'm preaching to the chior here). Is it possible to have color changing LEDs in the stadium lights. Get a nice Aztec Red glow in the stadium at some point or a blackight effect for some sort of cool halftime show. Stadium is supposed to be the latest technology, but the in game script is the same cookie cutter scripted canned crap copied from the Chargers and carried over from the Q. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 5, 2024 9:03:52 GMT -8
The team is not good, bottom line. But what is "crazy" is being dismissive and not looking deeper at the issues. Are SD fans fair-weather? YES. But what's crazy is the AD charging the prices they have at the stadium for a weak product. The stadium is nice, don't get me wrong. But with so much going on outside on the concourses like fantastic food & beverage options, there are a lot of people who dont even go to their seats. They are all at the bars or away from the field. This doesnt help the environment one bit. The main club level right behind the team bench is always empty. You ever ask yourself why? Because everyone is down below in the club drinking, eating and watching on TV inside there. No one cares about the game to be out in their seats watching, making noise, & creating an environment. Viejas is perfect for creating this environment in a big way because there are no such amenities or separation from the action. Then we can get into the fan culture aspect that SDSU has gone out of their way to diminish, but that would be an article. Might have to actually do that. The need to do a MUCH better job of in game fan engagement and creating a unique environment. ( I know I'm preaching to the chior here). Is it possible to have color changing LEDs in the stadium lights. Get a nice Aztec Red glow in the stadium at some point or a blackight effect for some sort of cool halftime show. Stadium is supposed to be the latest technology, but the in game script is the same cookie cutter scripted canned crap copied from the Chargers and carried over from the Q. Yes, the school can do a much better job marketing and doing things to make the game day experience worth the ticket. Given SDSU's reputation as a business school, you would think they have the talent available to do that. |
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 5, 2024 16:22:36 GMT -8
The need to do a MUCH better job of in game fan engagement and creating a unique environment. ( I know I'm preaching to the chior here). Is it possible to have color changing LEDs in the stadium lights. Get a nice Aztec Red glow in the stadium at some point or a blackight effect for some sort of cool halftime show. Stadium is supposed to be the latest technology, but the in game script is the same cookie cutter scripted canned crap copied from the Chargers and carried over from the Q. Yes, the school can do a much better job marketing and doing things to make the game day experience worth the ticket. Given SDSU's reputation as a business school, you would think they have the talent available to do that. They don't seem to have that talent. This suggestion has been made for decades. They either don't have the talent or don't care or both. |
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 5, 2024 19:37:45 GMT -8
Yes, the school can do a much better job marketing and doing things to make the game day experience worth the ticket. Given SDSU's reputation as a business school, you would think they have the talent available to do that. They don't seem to have that talent. This suggestion has been made for decades. They either don't have the talent or don't care or both. It's more about budget, hard to do things with one or 2 people and few summer interns that change every year. Time for SDSU to step up and build up a REAL Marketing and Promotions department, not the joke that's been in place for the last 20-30 years. |
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Post by aztecs76 on Nov 5, 2024 22:37:34 GMT -8
They don't seem to have that talent. This suggestion has been made for decades. They either don't have the talent or don't care or both. It's more about budget, hard to do things with one or 2 people and few summer interns that change every year. Time for SDSU to step up and build up a REAL Marketing and Promotions department, not the joke that's been in place for the last 20-30 years. DING DING DING...on the last comment!! Winner Winner...Chicken Dinner!! So True!! |
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Post by aztech on Nov 6, 2024 10:11:08 GMT -8
They don't seem to have that talent. This suggestion has been made for decades. They either don't have the talent or don't care or both. It's more about budget, hard to do things with one or 2 people and few summer interns that change every year. Time for SDSU to step up and build up a REAL Marketing and Promotions department, not the joke that's been in place for the last 20-30 years. Do you know that they have open positions in that field and have been unfilled from forever? We're making money now so there's no excuses to fill them. It's called spend money to make money. |
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 6, 2024 10:57:31 GMT -8
The marketing and in-stadium experience, while important, isn't nearly as important as 1) drastically lowering the prices across the board and 2) winning games, especially the big ones.
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Post by Den60 on Nov 6, 2024 11:11:27 GMT -8
They don't seem to have that talent. This suggestion has been made for decades. They either don't have the talent or don't care or both. It's more about budget, hard to do things with one or 2 people and few summer interns that change every year. Time for SDSU to step up and build up a REAL Marketing and Promotions department, not the joke that's been in place for the last 20-30 years. Just tie it to the business school and let them run it with student input. I am sure SDSU offers a degree in "sport's marketing." |
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 6, 2024 14:20:13 GMT -8
It's more about budget, hard to do things with one or 2 people and few summer interns that change every year. Time for SDSU to step up and build up a REAL Marketing and Promotions department, not the joke that's been in place for the last 20-30 years. Just tie it to the business school and let them run it with student input. I am sure SDSU offers a degree in "sport's marketing." You mean like maybe a MBA program that is focused on Sports? business.sdsu.edu/graduate/sports-mba |
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 6, 2024 14:23:30 GMT -8
It's more about budget, hard to do things with one or 2 people and few summer interns that change every year. Time for SDSU to step up and build up a REAL Marketing and Promotions department, not the joke that's been in place for the last 20-30 years. Do you know that they have open positions in that field and have been unfilled from forever? We're making money now so there's no excuses to fill them. It's called spend money to make money. But could they maybe spend some money to make even MORE money? I know it's a novel idea but it is time for this program to step up and join the bigger better programs in this sport. |
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Post by aztech on Nov 6, 2024 17:53:13 GMT -8
Do you know that they have open positions in that field and have been unfilled from forever? We're making money now so there's no excuses to fill them. It's called spend money to make money. But could they maybe spend some money to make even MORE money? I know it's a novel idea but it is time for this program to step up and join the bigger better programs in this sport. To be fair marketing won't work unless we have a decent team to market. Right now it would be like putting lipstick on a pig. |
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Post by perch on Nov 8, 2024 10:37:51 GMT -8
Does the field have a crown to promote water drainage? I haven't been to field level so I don"t know. I remember last spring when it rained and a soccer game was unplayable due to all the water on the field. If there is no crown then that would be a terrible managment of the field.
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Post by standiego on Nov 8, 2024 11:44:45 GMT -8
Snapdragon was supposed to be a marketing point to assist in recruiting
So tell us if you are a recruit watching a game with a sand field and not many people in the stands - are you rushing to play at SDSU ? It will Hurt recruiting
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 8, 2024 12:42:23 GMT -8
The quotes in this article from "SDSU’s deputy AD for strategic communications and brand advancement" show you just how out of touch our athletics dept is when it comes to pricing and generating interest. I'm well aware that they are privy to more inside information than I, but the proof is in the pudding. Little late season gimmicky "incentives" won't do shite. It sucks for recruits, it sucks for the current players, it sucks for the school as a whole, and most of all, it sucks for us fans who truly care about the football program and want to see it do well. I liken it to a parent watching their kid continually make wrong choices and spiral down a path from which they may never recover. “What’s the value you place on your product? You have to be disciplined throughout the year to maintain that value and keep prices where they are.”Are you F'n kidding me? We think we're Ohio State, yet our strategy is making us look much more like Sam Houston or UMass (the two worst attended programs). Read this and weep... www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2024/11/06/aztecs-begin-2025-season-ticket-renewals-while-trying-to-boost-crowds-for-last-2-home-games/ |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Nov 8, 2024 13:43:47 GMT -8
The quotes in this article from "SDSU’s deputy AD for strategic communications and brand advancement" show you just how out of touch our athletics dept is when it comes to pricing and generating interest. I'm well aware that they are privy to more inside information than I, but the proof is in the pudding. Little late season gimmicky "incentives" won't do shite. It sucks for recruits, it sucks for the current players, it sucks for the school as a whole, and most of all, it sucks for us fans who truly care about the football program and want to see it do well. I liken it to a parent watching their kid continually make wrong choices and spiral down a path from which they may never recover. “What’s the value you place on your product? You have to be disciplined throughout the year to maintain that value and keep prices where they are.”Are you F'n kidding me? We think we're Ohio State, yet our strategy is making us look much more like Sam Houston or UMass (the two worst attended programs). Read this and weep... www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2024/11/06/aztecs-begin-2025-season-ticket-renewals-while-trying-to-boost-crowds-for-last-2-home-games/Actually, State has a better handle pricing than the posters on this forum on the whole. If State dropped the price 50%, I doubt that they would sell every seat in the house. Their jobs are to optimize attendance and dollars in the bank. |
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