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Post by Den60 on Nov 3, 2024 9:29:59 GMT -8
The entire site is part of the San Diego river. You get substantial rain and you will have flooding and standing water. The school worked to mitigate the impact but it cannot be eliminated. Last year's rainy season was well above average. One would think the University would have hired top notch turf and drainage experts. Not a bunch of Day Laborers hanging out in front of the Grantville Home Depot. Now you are just saying stupid stuff. Why? |
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 3, 2024 10:34:40 GMT -8
So, you're saying if it wasn't for deferred maintenance, there wouldn't have been any at all? Yes, I stated that while I attend many different events I noticed lacking maintenance while at different types of events. soo I guess I was going along with the flow of the postings and commenting on the fact that proper maintenance needs to be maintained. While attending many different events over the years, the continual maintenance, support, and upgrading was lack at the old Stadium and it was very noticeable and got to the point of NO Return and was why they basically gave up on the place. The Prior NFL team owner plan worked by investing as little time and money as possible over a long period of time (cheap Bastard that he was) making it that much easier to leave. He played the long game to get out of San Diego, the differed maintenance added up. |
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Post by matteosandiego on Nov 3, 2024 11:24:09 GMT -8
Typical San Diego overreaction. The FC wave thing is a political play. Landin Donavan is the interim coach so you can piece it together. For the same reason nothing gets done in San Diego. Ive seen worse fields in the NFL in the midwest. The easy solution is to install artificial turn but ppl around here wil b@tch about it. This is a top 20 college stadium. Once we realize that the Chargers will never come back or the NFL, we will move on. The current rate for a professional stadium is 2 billion dollars not 320 mil. Im just waiting for Donovan to put out a statement along the lines of if he would of been given the opportunity to build a stadium, he would have built it better than sofi. SD politics is run like TJ politicians. Ive lived here 25 years and any time there money in this town, sticky fingers gets the best of them. I can tell you countless of amount of scenarios that happen in SD like the pay to play in Chula Vista.. etc etc. We went to war with Landon over that stadium, so there's no love for that clown. But this has nothing to do with any of that SoccerCity crap, or the Chargers, or us fans. Snapdragon is nowhere near a top-20 college stadium. Hell, it's not even a college football stadium, its a mixed use stadium and you can feel it. |
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Post by aztech on Nov 3, 2024 11:29:21 GMT -8
I think the biggest culprit when it comes to field damage are cleats. I believe soccer players wear them too, but are rubber. With the amnount of close back to back games being played on this field there really isn't a way to preserve the grass so they'll have to go with the alternative, artificial turf. That would be abhorrent to San Diego sports fans, but they'll have to deal with it. That also means only hosting night games before the weather cools down.
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Post by Den60 on Nov 3, 2024 12:58:02 GMT -8
I think the biggest culprit when it comes to field damage are cleats. I believe soccer players wear them too, but are rubber. With the amnount of close back to back games being played on this field there really isn't a way to preserve the grass so they'll have to go with the alternative, artificial turf. That would be abhorrent to San Diego sports fans, but they'll have to deal with it. That also means only hosting night games before the weather cools down. Soccer cleats have metal studs. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 3, 2024 13:42:11 GMT -8
Craig Elsten (great guy, great sports host and play by play announcer, too) posted this about it:
SDSU needs to hire someone new ASAP and get this fixed.
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Post by pbnative on Nov 3, 2024 13:48:02 GMT -8
I think the biggest culprit when it comes to field damage are cleats. I believe soccer players wear them too, but are rubber. With the amnount of close back to back games being played on this field there really isn't a way to preserve the grass so they'll have to go with the alternative, artificial turf. That would be abhorrent to San Diego sports fans, but they'll have to deal with it. That also means only hosting night games before the weather cools down. Soccer cleats have metal studs. No they don't. In fact Metal suds cleats are prohibited in MLS, FIFA and pretty much every other league . The boot design and stud pattern might be a bit different, but for the most part Soccer and football cleats and studs are pretty much the same materials. |
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Post by naztec on Nov 3, 2024 13:48:58 GMT -8
Should have voted for Soccer City
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Post by aardvark on Nov 3, 2024 14:31:40 GMT -8
Should have voted for Soccer City  |
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Post by sdsudevil on Nov 3, 2024 14:32:07 GMT -8
Typical San Diego overreaction. The FC wave thing is a political play. Landin Donavan is the interim coach so you can piece it together. For the same reason nothing gets done in San Diego. Ive seen worse fields in the NFL in the midwest. The easy solution is to install artificial turn but ppl around here wil b@tch about it. This is a top 20 college stadium. Once we realize that the Chargers will never come back or the NFL, we will move on. The current rate for a professional stadium is 2 billion dollars not 320 mil. Im just waiting for Donovan to put out a statement along the lines of if he would of been given the opportunity to build a stadium, he would have built it better than sofi. SD politics is run like TJ politicians. Ive lived here 25 years and any time there money in this town, sticky fingers gets the best of them. I can tell you countless of amount of scenarios that happen in SD like the pay to play in Chula Vista.. etc etc. We went to war with Landon over that stadium, so there's no love for that clown. But this has nothing to do with any of that SoccerCity crap, or the Chargers, or us fans. Snapdragon is nowhere near a top-20 college stadium. Hell, it's not even a college football stadium, its a mixed use stadium and you can feel it. The feeling is the fans (the few that show up) being church mouses, not the stadium. Snapdragon isn't the problem, it's the fans, both the lack thereof and those who do attend. Refuse to get loud, barely cheer when something goes our way, and leave early as he'll. Blaming the stadium for the environment is crazy. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Nov 3, 2024 14:32:40 GMT -8
Should have voted for Soccer City Hahaha, I needed that laugh. Sucker City was a scam worse than NTC. |
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Post by aardvark on Nov 3, 2024 14:34:48 GMT -8
Soccer cleats have metal studs. No they don't. In fact Metal suds cleats are prohibited in MLS, FIFA and pretty much every other league . The boot design and stud pattern might be a bit different, but for the most part Soccer and football cleats and studs are pretty much the same materials. In MLS, they are prohibited. But according to FIFA, they are very much legal. |
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Post by sdsudevil on Nov 3, 2024 14:40:40 GMT -8
Should have voted for Soccer City Hahaha, I needed that laugh. Sucker City was a scam worse than NTC. That proposal was so corrupted, anyone who is hindsighting that as still a better option either never actually read it, or are crypto and NFT bros. |
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Post by pbnative on Nov 3, 2024 15:11:35 GMT -8
No they don't. In fact Metal suds cleats are prohibited in MLS, FIFA and pretty much every other league . The boot design and stud pattern might be a bit different, but for the most part Soccer and football cleats and studs are pretty much the same materials. In MLS, they are prohibited. But according to FIFA, they are very much legal. Yes you're correct. Fifa doesn't strictly prohibi but does have regulations on metal studs. Metal studs are still very uncommon anymore especially since synthetic options are just as effective and lighter in weight. |
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Post by aztech on Nov 3, 2024 15:31:41 GMT -8
I think the biggest culprit when it comes to field damage are cleats. I believe soccer players wear them too, but are rubber. With the amnount of close back to back games being played on this field there really isn't a way to preserve the grass so they'll have to go with the alternative, artificial turf. That would be abhorrent to San Diego sports fans, but they'll have to deal with it. That also means only hosting night games before the weather cools down. Soccer cleats have metal studs. Then all the worse. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 3, 2024 16:03:28 GMT -8
Soccer cleats have metal studs. No they don't. In fact Metal suds cleats are prohibited in MLS, FIFA and pretty much every other league . The boot design and stud pattern might be a bit different, but for the most part Soccer and football cleats and studs are pretty much the same materials. Interesting. The EPL allows for screw in metal studs, the MSL allows for screw in plastic studs, FIFA does not allow for any screw in studs and it appears that the NWSL allows for screw in metal studs at least from what I just read. |
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Post by pbnative on Nov 3, 2024 16:21:03 GMT -8
No they don't. In fact Metal suds cleats are prohibited in MLS, FIFA and pretty much every other league . The boot design and stud pattern might be a bit different, but for the most part Soccer and football cleats and studs are pretty much the same materials. Interesting. The EPL allows for screw in metal studs, the MSL allows for screw in plastic studs, FIFA does not allow for any screw in studs and it appears that the NWSL allows for screw in metal studs at least from what I just read. Typically if metal studs are used it is for wet or very soft field conditions and then usually have to be inspected. I could be totally wrong, but I thought most players have moved away from screw in metal studs since the synthetic in was lighter and less chance of injury and most players have multiple pairs of cleats based on field conditions. |
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Post by matteosandiego on Nov 4, 2024 10:13:07 GMT -8
We went to war with Landon over that stadium, so there's no love for that clown. But this has nothing to do with any of that SoccerCity crap, or the Chargers, or us fans. Snapdragon is nowhere near a top-20 college stadium. Hell, it's not even a college football stadium, its a mixed use stadium and you can feel it. The feeling is the fans (the few that show up) being church mouses, not the stadium. Snapdragon isn't the problem, it's the fans, both the lack thereof and those who do attend. Refuse to get loud, barely cheer when something goes our way, and leave early as he'll. Blaming the stadium for the environment is crazy. The team is not good, bottom line. But what is "crazy" is being dismissive and not looking deeper at the issues. Are SD fans fair-weather? YES. But what's crazy is the AD charging the prices they have at the stadium for a weak product. The stadium is nice, don't get me wrong. But with so much going on outside on the concourses like fantastic food & beverage options, there are a lot of people who dont even go to their seats. They are all at the bars or away from the field. This doesnt help the environment one bit. The main club level right behind the team bench is always empty. You ever ask yourself why? Because everyone is down below in the club drinking, eating and watching on TV inside there. No one cares about the game to be out in their seats watching, making noise, & creating an environment. Viejas is perfect for creating this environment in a big way because there are no such amenities or separation from the action. Then we can get into the fan culture aspect that SDSU has gone out of their way to diminish, but that would be an article. Might have to actually do that. |
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Post by AzTuba85 on Nov 4, 2024 10:25:11 GMT -8
Preach brother Matteo!
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Post by redaztec5150 on Nov 4, 2024 10:56:15 GMT -8
The issue seems to lie with the Oak View Group (https://www.oakviewgroup.com/venues/) who manages the stadium for SDSU (who owns it; www.snapdragonstadium.com/about/vision). SDSU contracts with OVG to run and maintain the place, and OVG isn't cutting it in regard to the turf (no pun intended). Out of all the properties that OVG manages, they only have a few outdoor stadiums and, of those, none are as multi-use as Snapdragon. If OVG can't do the job regarding the field, SDSU needs to get out of the contract and bring in another stadium manager such as ASM Global (https://www.asmglobal.com/p/our-portfolio/stadiums) who manages more outdoor stadiums. This field situation is not acceptable. |
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