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Post by hoobs on Jul 22, 2024 14:11:35 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Jul 22, 2024 14:16:13 GMT -8
I think the Pac2 have been 100% lying about being seriously interested in a full merger with the entire MW... |
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Post by 94sdsu on Jul 22, 2024 14:47:10 GMT -8
What if SDSU told the Big 12 we'd only take an equivalent in media rights to what we're getting now from the MWC until the next media deal (at which time we'd get a full share) and tried to buy our way in? Or heck, the media deal is what, $4.5M per year? Surely SDSU has got at least one bigtime SDSU donor who could fund that himself and we could tell the Big 12 we'd go in for nothing until the next media deal. Much like how SMU got into the ACC.
It's now or never for getting into a P4 as they're about the become self governing and there won't be any more upward movement from schools going from the G5 to the P4.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jul 22, 2024 16:56:30 GMT -8
What if SDSU told the Big 12 we'd only take an equivalent in media rights to what we're getting now from the MWC until the next media deal (at which time we'd get a full share) and tried to buy our way in? Or heck, the media deal is what, $4.5M per year? Surely SDSU has got at least one bigtime SDSU donor who could fund that himself and we could tell the Big 12 we'd go in for nothing until the next media deal. Much like how SMU got into the ACC. It's now or never for getting into a P4 as they're about the become self governing and there won't be any more upward movement from schools going from the G5 to the P4. What’s the price for a seat on the last boat out of the g5 |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 22, 2024 17:14:07 GMT -8
I think the Pac2 have been 100% lying about being seriously interested in a full merger with the entire MW... Correct. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 22, 2024 17:41:40 GMT -8
I think the Pac2 have been 100% lying about being seriously interested in a full merger with the entire MW... Correct.
AzWm |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Jul 22, 2024 17:48:53 GMT -8
I may have missed something here, but it seems to me that the PAC2 has never said that they were interested in absorbing the entire MWC. Can't imagine why they would want more than four or five MWC schools.
AzWm That is what I thought too.. After all, how much of the Mountain West can you take on before you become the Mountain West? |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 22, 2024 19:07:58 GMT -8
I think the Pac2 have been 100% lying about being seriously interested in a full merger with the entire MW... Correct. Both sides are posturing and trying to gain leverage. If the PAC schools want to reconstitute the PAC Conference, they need a minimum of eight schools by the 2026 season. Currently, the leagues and teams have a scheduling agreement for this year that can be renewed for 2025. To reach eight teams, the PAC needs six more now, and in my opinion, additional schools after that. The PAC schools need to stay relevant and generate exposure and interest among several key stakeholders: Washington State and Oregon State, the networks, top streamers, potential schools, the P4 conferences, and the decision makers of the playoff system. The PAC has many relationships to manage while pursuing any opportunities for Big XII and ACC expansion and maintaining good relations with the MWC (both the MW conference Admin and its schools). It's a balancing act. Gloria Nevarez recently made two significant moves, 1) claiming that the PAC2 ONLY ADDs 10-15% in additional media value to the league and 2) introducing TNT Sports to the broadcast mix with a few low-tier MWC games. The CW picked up PAC2 games on linear TV. Meanwhile, CBS, FOX, and ESPN have remained very quiet. Both the MW and PAC2 are laying the base for 2026. The MWC's six-year agreement with CBS and Fox runs through 2025-26, so it still has two full seasons left on its contract with the 2024-25 athletic season. Which Linear networks or streamers are willing to provide a payout to the both the PAC & MWC leagues? At the macro level, everyone (the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big XII) is waiting on the outcome of three ACC lawsuits: the ACC (in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina), Florida State (in Leon County, Florida), and Clemson (in Pickens County, South Carolina). These suits aim to prove standing and obtain confidential information from ESPN/Disney regarding grant of rights deal points. The current litigation involving the ACC, Florida State, and Clemson concerns the conference's grant of rights agreement that was agreed to in 2013 and runs through 2036. There is an ESPN option requiring a decision by early next year for the period from 2027 through 2036, but it's doubtful that the PAC2 will or can wait for that ESPN/ACC option. There will be an appeal and additional lawsuits that follow the current three suits, and most predict that Clemson & Florida State will be tied to the ACC for the 2025 & 2026 seasons, with no movement until 2027, a year to late for the PAC2 to wait out the ACC resolutions. Both Big Ten and SEC Commissioners are publicly stating they have no plans to add either FSU or Clemson. Meanwhile, Brett Yormark continues to assert that the Big XII is open for business, but their current TV contract and the addition of eight schools in the past two years, may say otherwise. In addition, the Non-Power Four league media deals nearing expiration, in addition to the MWC deal: • Horizon League (deal with ESPN ends after 2025-26) • Conference USA (deals with CBS and ESPN end after 2026-27) • West Coast Conference (deal with ESPN ends after 2026-27) |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 23, 2024 9:18:33 GMT -8
Both sides are posturing and trying to gain leverage. If the PAC schools want to reconstitute the PAC Conference, they need a minimum of eight schools by the 2026 season. Currently, the leagues and teams have a scheduling agreement for this year that can be renewed for 2025. To reach eight teams, the PAC needs six more now, and in my opinion, additional schools after that. The PAC schools need to stay relevant and generate exposure and interest among several key stakeholders: Washington State and Oregon State, the networks, top streamers, potential schools, the P4 conferences, and the decision makers of the playoff system. The PAC has many relationships to manage while pursuing any opportunities for Big XII and ACC expansion and maintaining good relations with the MWC (both the MW conference Admin and its schools). It's a balancing act. Gloria Nevarez recently made two significant moves, 1) claiming that the PAC2 ONLY ADDs 10-15% in additional media value to the league and 2) introducing TNT Sports to the broadcast mix with a few low-tier MWC games. The CW picked up PAC2 games on linear TV. Meanwhile, CBS, FOX, and ESPN have remained very quiet. Both the MW and PAC2 are laying the base for 2026. The MWC's six-year agreement with CBS and Fox runs through 2025-26, so it still has two full seasons left on its contract with the 2024-25 athletic season. Which Linear networks or streamers are willing to provide a payout to the both the PAC & MWC leagues? At the macro level, everyone (the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big XII) is waiting on the outcome of three ACC lawsuits: the ACC (in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina), Florida State (in Leon County, Florida), and Clemson (in Pickens County, South Carolina). These suits aim to prove standing and obtain confidential information from ESPN/Disney regarding grant of rights deal points. The current litigation involving the ACC, Florida State, and Clemson concerns the conference's grant of rights agreement that was agreed to in 2013 and runs through 2036. There is an ESPN option requiring a decision by early next year for the period from 2027 through 2036, but it's doubtful that the PAC2 will or can wait for that ESPN/ACC option. There will be an appeal and additional lawsuits that follow the current three suits, and most predict that Clemson & Florida State will be tied to the ACC for the 2025 & 2026 seasons, with no movement until 2027, a year to late for the PAC2 to wait out the ACC resolutions. Both Big Ten and SEC Commissioners are publicly stating they have no plans to add either FSU or Clemson. Meanwhile, Brett Yormark continues to assert that the Big XII is open for business, but their current TV contract and the addition of eight schools in the past two years, may say otherwise. In addition, the Non-Power Four league media deals nearing expiration, in addition to the MWC deal: • Horizon League (deal with ESPN ends after 2025-26) • Conference USA (deals with CBS and ESPN end after 2026-27) • West Coast Conference (deal with ESPN ends after 2026-27) I'm assuming that would be 8 teams sponsoring football. I'd like: Ore. St. Wazzu SDSU UNLV CSU BSU Fresno Hawaii (FB)/Gonzaga |
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Post by myownwords on Jul 23, 2024 13:16:09 GMT -8
I think the Pac2 have been 100% lying about being seriously interested in a full merger with the entire MW... "Same as it ever was..." |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 23, 2024 13:47:57 GMT -8
This is all about math. Gloria will go out and get bids for the MW with the current 12 and then the 12 with certain acquisitions.
Teresa Gould will go out and get a bid for the P2 and then certain combinations of teams to get to 8, 10, 12, etc teams.
The math will be the math.
Will the increase from dumping the bottom of the MW worth the increased media revenue to justify the exit fees.
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Post by Cwag on Jul 23, 2024 13:58:17 GMT -8
I'd be happy with:
Oregon State
Washington Stata
San Diego State
Boise State
Colorado State
Fresno State
UNLV
UTSA
Tulane
Memphis
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 23, 2024 14:44:42 GMT -8
I'd be happy with: Oregon State Washington Stata San Diego State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State UNLV UTSA Tulane Memphis I'd take Nevada and San Jose before Tulane and Memphis. Mainly for geographic reasons, but other reasons as well. |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 23, 2024 19:50:28 GMT -8
I'd be happy with: Oregon State Washington Stata San Diego State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State UNLV UTSA Tulane Memphis I'd take Nevada and San Jose before Tulane and Memphis. Mainly for geographic reasons, but other reasons as well. IMO the new PAC should aim to be more than just an "Enhanced-MWC"; it should aspire to attract top-tier institutions in both academics and athletics. Including UTSA, Tulane, Memphis, and potentially Rice in Houston would be a strong foundation, in addition to 5-6 MW schools. Limiting expansion to the west with 12 schools is a solid starting point, providing stability for future realignment, especially if the Grant of Rights ensures each school's media value falls within the $10MM-$15MM range. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 24, 2024 6:37:26 GMT -8
I'd be happy with: Oregon State Washington Stata San Diego State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State UNLV UTSA Tulane Memphis You need one more AAC team to have two 5 team divisions that make sense geographically. Then you have to drop one of either Fresno or Boise. Right now, I don't think the PAC can get AAC teams to jump so I would prefer just 8 total teams. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 24, 2024 6:38:33 GMT -8
I'd be happy with: Oregon State Washington Stata San Diego State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State UNLV UTSA Tulane Memphis I'd take Nevada and San Jose before Tulane and Memphis. Mainly for geographic reasons, but other reasons as well. Both UNR and SJSU have very low athletics budget and Reno is a very small market. |
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Post by sdmotohead on Jul 24, 2024 6:42:57 GMT -8
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jul 24, 2024 8:10:29 GMT -8
And what is the mwc going to do about it? Nothing. The pac doesn’t want the front range just like we don’t. They are being smart and seeing their options. SDSU, bsu, csu, unlv, fesneck, et al will also be there and willing to jump |
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 24, 2024 9:32:24 GMT -8
I'd take Nevada and San Jose before Tulane and Memphis. Mainly for geographic reasons, but other reasons as well. Both UNR and SJSU have very low athletics budget and Reno is a very small market. I understand the reasoning, as well as Gundo's response re academics. But from a fan's perspective, I'd rather have those two and let Memphis/Tulane stay where they are. I like maintaining rivalries, and having shorter road trips available for traveling fans on both ends. I also see potential in both of the MWC schools, more so with Reno's projected population and wage growth, and growing tech industry. With Joser, they have potential, there's a whole lotta $$ floating around that area, it's mainly the administration's mindset that needs severe change. |
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Post by panammaniac on Jul 24, 2024 9:34:00 GMT -8
I'd be happy with: Oregon State Washington Stata San Diego State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State UNLV UTSA Tulane Memphis I'd take Nevada and San Jose before Tulane and Memphis. Mainly for geographic reasons, but other reasons as well. SJSU gets included in these discussions purely under the guise of being in a huge media market. Common sense would indicate that media market size shouldn't matter if nobody in that market is watching your games on TV. SJSU is third fiddle in their own market in CFB and 6th or 7th fiddle in basketball behind Santa Clara, St. Mary's, and USF. Their facilities are absolutely abysmal. You can't even give away tickets to most of their home football games. They were added to the MWC mostly because of market size but there were other schools that would have been a much better addition. A part of me would love to see a situation where half of the MWC goes to the PAC. That's for purely selfish reasons - obviously the 6 remaining MWC schools would need to add to stay viable, and the two obvious additions within its footprint are NMSU and UTEP. I posted earlier that I'm not sure it would be a slam dunk. CUSA is very stable right now and it's a conference made up of schools that all have similar athletics budgets ($20 - $25 million range). On the flip side, CUSA's media deal is only paying about $800k per school. Would a MWC consisting of NMSU, UTEP, UNM, Wyoming, Air Force, Nevada, Utah State, Hawaii, and say for argument's sake UTA to offset Hawaii's FB only membership pay significantly more than that? And I believe most of those schools are spending closer to $35 million on athletics. Would they reduce their spending a little, and would NMSU/UTEP increase theirs? I don't know the answers to those. The new MWC in this scenario is made up of a bunch of small market schools. The biggest remaining market would be El Paso/Las Cruces with a population of about 900K between them. |
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