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Post by redaztec5150 on Jul 18, 2024 9:30:45 GMT -8
I think the will be many more league changes. The schools with the most viewers will want even more of the pie. Below is average views for each game from a talking head online. Who you play helps, and so does winning. It does give an idea of what the network see and how they spend for games. 1 Ohio State — 5.55M 2 Alabama — 5.08M 3 Michigan — 4.78M 4 Colorado — 4.50M 5 Georgia — 3.95M 6 Florida State — 3.58M 7 Notre Dame — 3.46M 8 Penn State — 3.31M 9 LSU — 2.85M 10 Southern Cal — 2.83M 11 Washington — 2.68M 12 Tennessee — 2.67M 13 Oklahoma — 2.40M 14 Nebraska — 2.39M 15 Florida — 2.12M 16 Auburn — 2.074M 17 Oregon — 2.067M 18 Texas A&M — 2.062M 19 Oregon State — 1.74M 20 Mississippi — 1.71M 21 Clemson — 1.70M 22 Missouri — 1.63M 23 Iowa — 1.60M 24 Utah — 1.53M 25 Michigan State — 1.48M 26 Wisconsin — 1.45M 27 TCU — 1.42M 28 Maryland — 1.41M 29 Minnesota — 1.37M 30 Louisville — 1.36M 31 Miami FL — 1.33M 32 Duke — 1.32M 33 UCLA — 1.25M 34 Kansas — 1.24M 35 BYU — 1.21M 36 Indiana — 1.18M 37 Iowa State — 1.15M 38 Oklahoma State — 1.14M 39 Arkansas — 1.13M 40 West Virginia — 1.095M 41 Navy — 1.090M 42 Washington State — 1.08M 43 Kentucky — 1.04M 44 Rutgers — 977K 45 North Carolina — 966K 46 Texas Tech — 950K 47 South Carolina — 900K 48 Illinois — 862K 49 Mississippi State — 839K 50 Colorado State — 814K 51 Kansas State — 810K 52 Georgia Tech — 766K 53 Syracuse — 703K 54 Purdue — 694K 55 Pittsburgh — 690K 56 Army — 683 57 Virginia — 663K 58 NC State — 661K 59 UCF — 621K 60 Boston College — 617K 61 Arizona State — 603K 62 Houston — 587K 63 Stanford — 549K 64 Cincinnati — 481K 65 Tulane — 480K 66 Wake Forest — 464.8K 67 Northwestern — 464.7K 68 South Florida — 463.7K 69 Baylor — 454K 70 California — 450K 71 Arizona — 434K 72 Virginia Tech — 398K 73 Boise State — 338K 74 Memphis — 336K 75 Rice — 316K 76 San Jose State — 312K 77 Western Kentucky — 305K 78 UTSA — 288K 79 UNLV — 287K 80 Wyoming — 213K 81 Vanderbilt — 205K 82 SMU — 201K 83 Fresno State — 196K 84 Massachusetts — 193K 85 San Diego State — 192K 86 Buffalo — 187K 87 Coastal Carolina — 186K 88 Bowling Green — 182K 89 Air Force — 178K 90 Temple — 173K 91 Marshall — 146K 92 Tulsa — 132K 93 UAB — 129K 94 Central Michigan — 124K 95 James Madison — 123K 96 Toledo — 119K 97 Georgia State — 112K 98 New Mexico — 101 Also, because so many of our games are on CBS Sports Network, our number is skewed down. CBSSports Network does not report it’s viewing numbers, and for this calculation from this guy (https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-were-most-watched-in-2023-2e81ef62d3bf) those games are counted as a big fat “zero”. In 2023, we had 6-games televised on CBS Sports network; so 6-games out of 12-games were considered as a “Zero” for T.V. viewership when making his 192k calculation. No pun intended, but this laterally only paints half a picture of what our T.V. viewership actually is. |
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Post by AzTex on Jul 18, 2024 10:01:27 GMT -8
I think the will be many more league changes. The schools with the most viewers will want even more of the pie. Below is average views for each game from a talking head online. Who you play helps, and so does winning. It does give an idea of what the network see and how they spend for games. 1 Ohio State — 5.55M 2 Alabama — 5.08M 3 Michigan — 4.78M 4 Colorado — 4.50M 5 Georgia — 3.95M 6 Florida State — 3.58M 7 Notre Dame — 3.46M 8 Penn State — 3.31M 9 LSU — 2.85M 10 Southern Cal — 2.83M 11 Washington — 2.68M 12 Tennessee — 2.67M 13 Oklahoma — 2.40M 14 Nebraska — 2.39M 15 Florida — 2.12M 16 Auburn — 2.074M 17 Oregon — 2.067M 18 Texas A&M — 2.062M 19 Oregon State — 1.74M 20 Mississippi — 1.71M 21 Clemson — 1.70M 22 Missouri — 1.63M 23 Iowa — 1.60M 24 Utah — 1.53M 25 Michigan State — 1.48M 26 Wisconsin — 1.45M 27 TCU — 1.42M 28 Maryland — 1.41M 29 Minnesota — 1.37M 30 Louisville — 1.36M 31 Miami FL — 1.33M 32 Duke — 1.32M 33 UCLA — 1.25M 34 Kansas — 1.24M 35 BYU — 1.21M 36 Indiana — 1.18M 37 Iowa State — 1.15M 38 Oklahoma State — 1.14M 39 Arkansas — 1.13M 40 West Virginia — 1.095M 41 Navy — 1.090M 42 Washington State — 1.08M 43 Kentucky — 1.04M 44 Rutgers — 977K 45 North Carolina — 966K 46 Texas Tech — 950K 47 South Carolina — 900K 48 Illinois — 862K 49 Mississippi State — 839K 50 Colorado State — 814K 51 Kansas State — 810K 52 Georgia Tech — 766K 53 Syracuse — 703K 54 Purdue — 694K 55 Pittsburgh — 690K 56 Army — 683 57 Virginia — 663K 58 NC State — 661K 59 UCF — 621K 60 Boston College — 617K 61 Arizona State — 603K 62 Houston — 587K 63 Stanford — 549K 64 Cincinnati — 481K 65 Tulane — 480K 66 Wake Forest — 464.8K 67 Northwestern — 464.7K 68 South Florida — 463.7K 69 Baylor — 454K 70 California — 450K 71 Arizona — 434K 72 Virginia Tech — 398K 73 Boise State — 338K 74 Memphis — 336K 75 Rice — 316K 76 San Jose State — 312K 77 Western Kentucky — 305K 78 UTSA — 288K 79 UNLV — 287K 80 Wyoming — 213K 81 Vanderbilt — 205K 82 SMU — 201K 83 Fresno State — 196K 84 Massachusetts — 193K 85 San Diego State — 192K 86 Buffalo — 187K 87 Coastal Carolina — 186K 88 Bowling Green — 182K 89 Air Force — 178K 90 Temple — 173K 91 Marshall — 146K 92 Tulsa — 132K 93 UAB — 129K 94 Central Michigan — 124K 95 James Madison — 123K 96 Toledo — 119K 97 Georgia State — 112K 98 New Mexico — 101 Again, keep in mind that most of our games end up on CBS Sports Network, which most people don't have. That always skews our numbers. Our viewership isn't good, but it s not that bad, either. I also understand the CBS Sports Network doesn't report viewership numbers. That doesn't help either. |
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Post by aztech on Jul 18, 2024 12:10:42 GMT -8
I think the will be many more league changes. The schools with the most viewers will want even more of the pie. Below is average views for each game from a talking head online. Who you play helps, and so does winning. It does give an idea of what the network see and how they spend for games. 1 Ohio State — 5.55M 2 Alabama — 5.08M 3 Michigan — 4.78M 4 Colorado — 4.50M 5 Georgia — 3.95M 6 Florida State — 3.58M 7 Notre Dame — 3.46M 8 Penn State — 3.31M 9 LSU — 2.85M 10 Southern Cal — 2.83M 11 Washington — 2.68M 12 Tennessee — 2.67M 13 Oklahoma — 2.40M 14 Nebraska — 2.39M 15 Florida — 2.12M 16 Auburn — 2.074M 17 Oregon — 2.067M 18 Texas A&M — 2.062M 19 Oregon State — 1.74M 20 Mississippi — 1.71M 21 Clemson — 1.70M 22 Missouri — 1.63M 23 Iowa — 1.60M 24 Utah — 1.53M 25 Michigan State — 1.48M 26 Wisconsin — 1.45M 27 TCU — 1.42M 28 Maryland — 1.41M 29 Minnesota — 1.37M 30 Louisville — 1.36M 31 Miami FL — 1.33M 32 Duke — 1.32M 33 UCLA — 1.25M 34 Kansas — 1.24M 35 BYU — 1.21M 36 Indiana — 1.18M 37 Iowa State — 1.15M 38 Oklahoma State — 1.14M 39 Arkansas — 1.13M 40 West Virginia — 1.095M 41 Navy — 1.090M 42 Washington State — 1.08M 43 Kentucky — 1.04M 44 Rutgers — 977K 45 North Carolina — 966K 46 Texas Tech — 950K 47 South Carolina — 900K 48 Illinois — 862K 49 Mississippi State — 839K 50 Colorado State — 814K 51 Kansas State — 810K 52 Georgia Tech — 766K 53 Syracuse — 703K 54 Purdue — 694K 55 Pittsburgh — 690K 56 Army — 683 57 Virginia — 663K 58 NC State — 661K 59 UCF — 621K 60 Boston College — 617K 61 Arizona State — 603K 62 Houston — 587K 63 Stanford — 549K 64 Cincinnati — 481K 65 Tulane — 480K 66 Wake Forest — 464.8K 67 Northwestern — 464.7K 68 South Florida — 463.7K 69 Baylor — 454K 70 California — 450K 71 Arizona — 434K 72 Virginia Tech — 398K 73 Boise State — 338K 74 Memphis — 336K 75 Rice — 316K 76 San Jose State — 312K 77 Western Kentucky — 305K 78 UTSA — 288K 79 UNLV — 287K 80 Wyoming — 213K 81 Vanderbilt — 205K 82 SMU — 201K 83 Fresno State — 196K 84 Massachusetts — 193K 85 San Diego State — 192K 86 Buffalo — 187K 87 Coastal Carolina — 186K 88 Bowling Green — 182K 89 Air Force — 178K 90 Temple — 173K 91 Marshall — 146K 92 Tulsa — 132K 93 UAB — 129K 94 Central Michigan — 124K 95 James Madison — 123K 96 Toledo — 119K 97 Georgia State — 112K 98 New Mexico — 101 Also, because so many of our games are on CBS Sports Network, our number is skewed down. CBSSports Network does not report it’s viewing numbers, and for this calculation from this guy (https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-were-most-watched-in-2023-2e81ef62d3bf) those games are counted as a big fat “zero”. In 2023, we had 6-games televised on CBS Sports network; so 6-games out of 12-games were considered as a “Zero” for T.V. viewership when making his 192k calculation. No pun intended, but this laterally only paints half a picture of what our T.V. viewership actually is. True, but why are the other MWC members above us? Could it be that they got to play on more national networks? With our lousy record that's understandable. Let's face it, we were a poor draw. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 18, 2024 17:08:30 GMT -8
Also, because so many of our games are on CBS Sports Network, our number is skewed down. CBSSports Network does not report it’s viewing numbers, and for this calculation from this guy (https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-were-most-watched-in-2023-2e81ef62d3bf) those games are counted as a big fat “zero”. In 2023, we had 6-games televised on CBS Sports network; so 6-games out of 12-games were considered as a “Zero” for T.V. viewership when making his 192k calculation. No pun intended, but this laterally only paints half a picture of what our T.V. viewership actually is. True, but why are the other MWC members above us? Could it be that they got to play on more national networks? With our lousy record that's understandable. Let's face it, we were a poor draw. SJSU at Auburn gives them a big number… SDSU doesn’t play those games… |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 18, 2024 23:48:11 GMT -8
On a another note the WCC becomes very interesting next year (2025) 1-2 NCAA bids to 3-4 invites.
Members:
1. Gonzaga University
2. Loyola Marymount University (LMU)
3. Pepperdine University
4. University of Portland
5. Saint Mary's College of California
6. University of San Diego
7. University of San Francisco
8. Santa Clara University
9. University of the Pacific
10. Seattle University (joining in 2025)
11. Grand Canyon University (joining in 2025)
Affiliate Members:
12. Oregon State University (joining in 2024)
13. Washington State University (joining in 2024)
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Post by standiego on Jul 19, 2024 13:40:32 GMT -8
so as many expected SDSU will try to get as many people watching their football games and see what kind of TV Deal OSU and WSU can put together with a TV Network
On the basketball front - for March Madness - there is going to be 1 less conference so 1 less Auto Bid and 1 more open invite for MM
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Post by heuschele on Jul 20, 2024 13:00:03 GMT -8
Not many but the question is why? Academically we are near the top of MWC and compare fine with the average P5 school. Sports wise we compare fine especially the money sports. Mbb has been better than the average p5 school over the last 15 years. That is a long time. For the last 2 years, top 5 in nation. FB recently had perhaps best stretch ever (I do realize coryell had better record but competition was a little lower which could account for the record discrepancy). The secondary sports are competitive with p5 schools. Like all programs, there is variation between the quality of each sport team but overall they would not be at the bottom of the p5. So why do so few consider us a p5 school? It is the fans and alumni. We do not support the teams as expected for P5 teams. Whether it is NIL, streaming costs, travel to bowl games and tournaments. I admit we do ok with mbb but probably still not to p5 expectations. Fbfan support is terrible. I went to bowl game that Aztecs were in that was in San Diego (BYU) had more fans present than we had and the game did not sell out. In quite a few recent years our team record was better than indicative of our bowl invite. Why? Because the fans do not travel or spend like other schools. The year we lost to Utah state in MWC championship game with much of the team having COVID, we were one of the better non p5 teams in the country. The loss in MWC championship game did not help but that was a greatly depleted team. If we win a game at that level down that number of players, it would be near miracle. Yet the better bowls did not want us. A good bowl team that wanted us could have easily rationalized our whooping in the MWC championship game. They did not because they did not desire the Aztecs. Our loss to Stan state gave them the excuse not to give us an invite. I do recognize the fans on Aztec mesa are some of our best fans. Many travel to watch the Aztecs. Many donate and/or purchase merchandise. Overall there are not enough to have p5 consider us a prize. Go Aztecs I never like that take on our record during Coryell's time. Yes, we were playing against weaker teams than we are now, but then, as now, we were playing against teams with similar resources. Unlike now however, we were getting Junior College transfers who weren't good enough coming out of high school to get a scholarship offer from a 4 year college. There weren't the ranking services then as there are now, but those would have been zero star recruits coming out of high school. Considering what Coryell did with the resources he had then imagine what he could have done with the Aztecs today. EDIT: Please see dadhammett's reply to the above post below.
Do you think that a successful AAA baseball team that wins at a higher rate than the 1927 Yankees have a better coach? Both teams competed with teams with similar resources, but the reality is being the best anything with an inferior competition does not translate to being the best. To be the best, you exceed against the best. Cornell was great coach and showed it at every level, but comparing his record against his competition against long’s competition is akin to comparing AAA won-loss to major league won-loss. The win-loss record does not tell the full story. Comparing the 2 is not possible which is why I worded it “ FB recently had perhaps best stretch ever”. Regardless if it is the best stretch ever or near best stretch ever, the quality of fb play (or other sports) is not why we are not sought by p5. It is the fans/alumni. |
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Post by zurac315 on Jul 20, 2024 13:16:14 GMT -8
I find it difficult to believe that Umass football gets more viewers than the Aztecs. I lived in the Boston area for 18 years and never met a single person who watched U of Massachusetts football on TV.
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Post by AzTex on Jul 20, 2024 14:14:21 GMT -8
I never like that take on our record during Coryell's time. Yes, we were playing against weaker teams than we are now, but then, as now, we were playing against teams with similar resources. Unlike now however, we were getting Junior College transfers who weren't good enough coming out of high school to get a scholarship offer from a 4 year college. There weren't the ranking services then as there are now, but those would have been zero star recruits coming out of high school. Considering what Coryell did with the resources he had then imagine what he could have done with the Aztecs today. EDIT: Please see dadhammett's reply to the above post below.
Both teams competed with teams with similar resources, but the reality is being the best anything with an inferior competition does not translate to being the best. To be the best, you exceed against the best. Cornell was great coach and showed it at every level, but comparing his record against his competition against long’s competition is akin to comparing AAA won-loss to major league won-loss. The win-loss record does not tell the full story. Comparing the 2 is not possible which is why I worded it “ FB recently had perhaps best stretch ever”. Regardless if it is the best stretch ever or near best stretch ever, the quality of fb play (or other sports) is not why we are not sought by p5. It is the fans/alumni. Entirely possible, we'll never know. Are you saying that Rocky was a better coach because he had almost as good a record, but against better competition? I'll never buy that argument. Obviously we disagree and that's ok. |
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 20, 2024 18:00:00 GMT -8
If Coryell had only won at State and not succeeded at NFL, then maybe?? But, he won and he not only adapted, but innovated his way to being the only coach to win 100 games in both college and pros. Plus, while we didn't play big time programs on a regular basis, we did beat some really good teams when the opportunity arose.
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Post by zurac315 on Jul 20, 2024 20:37:29 GMT -8
Hey, Rocky Long did some really nice things at State but there is no comparison regarding Coryell. Coryell was a magician. And look at the assistant coaches that Coryell managed to get. How many Super Bowls have been won by Long's assistants? And Coryell filled stadiums with rabid fans. I remember as a kid we almost rioted during a game against the Marine Corps Recruit Depot. Long almost put me to sleep at times. If Coryell had been head coach during the years that Long was head coach I suspect we would have really been blowing people out. The feeling around the program was totally different with Coryell. We really felt like the team could do just about anything.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 21, 2024 13:12:35 GMT -8
Hey, Rocky Long did some really nice things at State but there is no comparison regarding Coryell. Coryell was a magician. And look at the assistant coaches that Coryell managed to get. How many Super Bowls have been won by Long's assistants? And Coryell filled stadiums with rabid fans. I remember as a kid we almost rioted during a game against the Marine Corps Recruit Depot. Long almost put me to sleep at times. If Coryell had been head coach during the years that Long was head coach I suspect we would have really been blowing people out. The feeling around the program was totally different with Coryell. We really felt like the team could do just about anything.
However, it's a bit unfair to criticize Rocky Long. He did a great job at SDSU.
AzWm
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Post by zurac315 on Jul 21, 2024 14:03:37 GMT -8
Hey, Rocky Long did some really nice things at State but there is no comparison regarding Coryell. Coryell was a magician. And look at the assistant coaches that Coryell managed to get. How many Super Bowls have been won by Long's assistants? And Coryell filled stadiums with rabid fans. I remember as a kid we almost rioted during a game against the Marine Corps Recruit Depot. Long almost put me to sleep at times. If Coryell had been head coach during the years that Long was head coach I suspect we would have really been blowing people out. The feeling around the program was totally different with Coryell. We really felt like the team could do just about anything.
However, it's a bit unfair to criticize Rocky Long. He did a great job at SDSU.
AzWm
He did and I'm in no way criticizing Rocky. He did an excellent job and we had not been very good for such a long time. We were very lucky to get him. That was some game, wasn't it? I was all of 12 years old and was ready to go down on that field and wreck some havoc. I'll never forget it.  |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 22, 2024 8:34:58 GMT -8
The only reason for us to join withthe PAC2 is if they bring only 6 or so MWC schools. Put them on a MWC budget for 5 years and they are middle of the pac, if best, as a MWC member. I still think we end up getting a B12 invite. We are too big a prize not to go to them or an ACC western expansion. Who other than us thinks that we are a big prize? OK, "“Once more into the fray, into the last good fight I'll ever know..." Name a school in the west not in a Power conference more attractive than SDSU given: 1. Second largest city in California. 2. 5th largest county in the nation. 3. No NFL and NBA local competition. 4. 28th in the nation in revenues for the athletics department at nearly $104M. UCLA is 27th at $105M. UCLA, however, is running a deficit in 2023 of $36M whereas we saw a profit of $8M last year. And we are doing it with a MWC media deal $32M less than what UCLA got in 2022. Oh, our revenues will climb with the addition of MSL and the Holiday Bowl, both in rent, concessions and increase in static advertising. The Snapdragon naming rights went up a couple of million, but most of that goes to the MLS team. We get some $500K of that for future construction. 5. One of the top 4 or 5 MBB programs in the West. We outdraw every PAC2 or former PAC12 in attendance outside of Zona, which has a bigger arena. 6. Brand new on campus football stadium that all but elite FB programs wish they could have. I guaranfuggingteeya UCLA wishes they had what we have, even at 35K. They are stuck with the Rose Bowl through 2042. Yeah, people have complained about FB attendance but we play late night games with a MWC schedule and, while we have had a winning history, it was like playing exciting offense wasn't even considered. One of my good friends went to the Toledo game a few years back and said it was "painfully boring." Neither Long or Hoke did much to market the program. MBB has shown, build a winning program and fans will show up. However, more adjustments need to be done to make going to SDSU FB games less costly. I do think streaming will allow us to move to an earlier start time, 5:30 or 6PM as we won't be limited by an association with a broadcast network with limited time slots. It is very difficult for families with children to attend a game where they don't get back home until midnight or later. 7. Over 500,000 alumni. 8. West Campus expansion will allow SDSU to expand to 50K students while the Innovation District will greatly increase our research capabilities and funding. When that property is developed, people who watch SDSU football, MLS/NWLS soccer, the Holiday Bowl or international soccer are going to see a beautiful campus. 9. We are in San Diego, a very popular tourist destination. |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 22, 2024 9:17:19 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Jul 22, 2024 9:58:38 GMT -8
ACC standing pat will mean the PAC2 have to go ahead now and find 6 schools to join them... |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jul 22, 2024 10:51:25 GMT -8
ACC standing pat will mean the PAC2 have to go ahead now and find 6 schools to join them... They are in a tough spot. ACC teams will have until 8/15/2025 to give notice, but the MWC have until 06.30.2025 to give notice. If the ACC teams don't have an answer on the GOR litigation by June 30, not sure what the PAC2 does as they need to have 8 teams in Pac for the 2026 season. I think they will wait it out as long as they can trying to get the B12 invite. |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 22, 2024 11:30:11 GMT -8
ACC standing pat will mean the PAC2 have to go ahead now and find 6 schools to join them... They are in a tough spot. ACC teams will have until 8/15/2025 to give notice, but the MWC have until 06.30.2025 to give notice. If the ACC teams don't have an answer on the GOR litigation by June 30, not sure what the PAC2 does as they need to have 8 teams in Pac for the 2026 season. I think they will wait it out as long as they can trying to get the B12 invite. I'm not sure there's much of an outlook for the Pac2 to the Big12. An ACC looking to create a Western division in the process of backfilling a couple/few departures to the B1G/SEC was the best hope for the Pac2. Unless they get really stubbornly stuck in their (small) prospects for the Big12, this was the sign that they need to focus attention on (re-)building the Pac8 as at least an interim measure until the next major dominoes start falling again. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 22, 2024 12:19:09 GMT -8
ACC standing pat will mean the PAC2 have to go ahead now and find 6 schools to join them... They are in a tough spot. ACC teams will have until 8/15/2025 to give notice, but the MWC have until 06.30.2025 to give notice. If the ACC teams don't have an answer on the GOR litigation by June 30, not sure what the PAC2 does as they need to have 8 teams in Pac for the 2026 season. I think they will wait it out as long as they can trying to get the B12 invite. Wazzu won't ever get a B12 invite. I put Ore. St. and UNLV as having about the same chance. But, if the B12 looks West, they take SDSU. Most attractive piece out here not already wedded to a power conference. They could double up and take Ore. St or UNLV or take UConn instead. |
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Post by rockymountainaztec on Jul 22, 2024 13:03:56 GMT -8
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