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Post by laaztec on Jul 11, 2024 20:20:56 GMT -8
After what happened to the PAC 12 never say never when it comes to conference realignment. |
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Post by jdaztec on Jul 11, 2024 20:28:54 GMT -8
The conference might need a new name.
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Post by sdmotohead on Jul 11, 2024 20:41:12 GMT -8
After what happened to the PAC 12 never say never when it comes to conference realignment. Why do you insist on quoting this knucklehead?! He's a known idiot. |
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Post by aztecking on Jul 11, 2024 21:50:16 GMT -8
After what happened to the PAC 12 never say never when it comes to conference realignment. Why do you insist on quoting this knucklehead?! He's a known idiot. He isn’t though. He was 100% right on the schools going to the Big 12. He also had UCLA/USC to the Big 10 before any of the major media. He said Colorado was going to the Big 12 and the president of the school publicly refuted him and like 2 weeks later they left for the Big 12. |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 11, 2024 21:59:01 GMT -8
Why do you insist on quoting this knucklehead?! He's a known idiot. He isn’t though. He was 100% right on the schools going to the Big 12. He also had UCLA/USC to the Big 10 before any of the major media. He said Colorado was going to the Big 12 and the president of the school publicly refuted him and like 2 weeks later they left for the Big 12. Are you thinking of this? x.com/markharlan_ad/status/1634059452373688320?s=46&t=OwOq9mu2xuXQnMrzxnLkOg |
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Post by aztecking on Jul 11, 2024 22:02:22 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Jul 12, 2024 8:09:40 GMT -8
Got it. He does seem to have some inside info. He’s kind of backing off this morning the FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 stuff. x.com/mhver3/status/1811746482623488381?s=46&t=OwOq9mu2xuXQnMrzxnLkOgFSU and Clemson only go to the Big 12 if they get a ton of cash which I don’t think is possible. More likely 4 ACC teams end up in the Big 10 ( UNC and Virginia) and the SEC ( FSU And Clemson). The Big 12 could pick up some teams if the ACC collapses like the Pac 12 did. |
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Post by aztecking on Jul 12, 2024 8:13:50 GMT -8
Got it. He does seem to have some inside info. He’s kind of backing off this morning the FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 stuff. x.com/mhver3/status/1811746482623488381?s=46&t=OwOq9mu2xuXQnMrzxnLkOgFSU and Clemson only go to the Big 12 if they get a ton of cash which I don’t think is possible. More likely 4 ACC teams end up in the Big 10 ( UNC and Virginia) and the SEC ( FSU And Clemson). The Big 12 could pick up some teams if the ACC collapses like the Pac 12 did. If the reports from last month are correct that the Big 12 could rename to Big Allstate with a huge cash infusion and ownership stake it could bring a ton of new money into the conference. |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 12, 2024 9:43:57 GMT -8
Got it. He does seem to have some inside info. He’s kind of backing off this morning the FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 stuff. x.com/mhver3/status/1811746482623488381?s=46&t=OwOq9mu2xuXQnMrzxnLkOgFSU and Clemson only go to the Big 12 if they get a ton of cash which I don’t think is possible. More likely 4 ACC teams end up in the Big 10 ( UNC and Virginia) and the SEC ( FSU And Clemson). The Big 12 could pick up some teams if the ACC collapses like the Pac 12 did. If the reports from last month are correct that the Big 12 could rename to Big Allstate with a huge cash infusion and ownership stake it could bring a ton of new money into the conference. But I am not sure the current Big 12 members are going to want to give FSU and Clemson more money than they get. Also going to the Big 12 is a sideways move at best for them. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 12, 2024 9:59:02 GMT -8
If the reports from last month are correct that the Big 12 could rename to Big Allstate with a huge cash infusion and ownership stake it could bring a ton of new money into the conference. But I am not sure the current Big 12 members are going to want to give FSU and Clemson more money than they get. Also going to the Big 12 is a sideways move at best for them. If those two get out of the ACC then they will be SEC bound. Bank on it. If the ACC does look to expand west, I wonder if the B12 would take SDSU and either UNLV or Ore. St. to block them. The B12 views the ACC as their prime competition right now. |
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Post by 94sdsu on Jul 12, 2024 15:18:24 GMT -8
But I am not sure the current Big 12 members are going to want to give FSU and Clemson more money than they get. Also going to the Big 12 is a sideways move at best for them. If those two get out of the ACC then they will be SEC bound. Bank on it. If the ACC does look to expand west, I wonder if the B12 would take SDSU and either UNLV or Ore. St. to block them. The B12 views the ACC as their prime competition right now. Why would the SEC take either FSU or Clemson. The state of Florida is big enough that I can see the SEC taking FSU, plus their brand is huge. Uni of S. Carolina already gives the SEC the S. Carolina market, so they don't need Clemson too, especially as the entire population of the state is under 6 million. Also, Clemson is one bad head coach from being nothing again as they were before Debo when he retires or gets canned. The only reason I could see them getting into the SEC is simply to block the B10 from getting into the "southern" market. Also, the B12 taking SDSU wouldn't be "blocking" the ACC...the ACC is already on the West Coast with Cal and Stanford. I'm guessing those two will rarely be on the road the same weekends as the ACC will want at least one at home so they can have a late Pacific kickoff game. The B12 unfortunately no longer has a reason to take SDSU as both the B10 and ACC have Pacific coast teams and thus the old tv slot for "PAC 12" after dark already has two competing conferences and thus it's full. Our only hope is that the 4 corner schools want a SoCal presence in their league for recruiting and thus can convince Yormark to expand into the SoCal market. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 12, 2024 15:22:15 GMT -8
If those two get out of the ACC then they will be SEC bound. Bank on it. If the ACC does look to expand west, I wonder if the B12 would take SDSU and either UNLV or Ore. St. to block them. The B12 views the ACC as their prime competition right now. Why would the SEC take either FSU or Clemson. The state of Florida is big enough that I can see the SEC taking FSU, plus their brand is huge. Uni of S. Carolina already gives the SEC the S. Carolina market, so they don't need Clemson too, especially as the entire population of the state is under 6 million. Also, Clemson is one bad head coach from being nothing again as they were before Debo when he retires or gets canned. The only reason I could see them getting into the SEC is simply to block the B10 from getting into the "southern" market. Also, the B12 taking SDSU wouldn't be "blocking" the ACC...the ACC is already on the West Coast with Cal and Stanford. I'm guessing those two will rarely be on the road the same weekends as the ACC will want at least one at home so they can have a late Pacific kickoff game. The B12 unfortunately no longer has a reason to take SDSU as both the B10 and ACC have Pacific coast teams and thus the old tv slot for "PAC 12" after dark already has two competing conferences and thus it's full. Our only hope is that the 4 corner schools want a SoCal presence in their league for recruiting and thus can convince Yormark to expand into the SoCal market. The ACC has two West Coast teams, significantly different than having 4-6 teams… B1G has four and B12 has Zona schools plus mountain schools Utah and Colorado… |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 12, 2024 15:32:52 GMT -8
I followed that guy for years, a WVA & Big 12 blow hard, not sure I am buying what he is selling. Here are some responses on his reputation on Reddit. Granted it's Reddit, and he posts on X (Twitter), neither the Holy Grail.
He "occasionally gets one right" because he throws so much $#!+ at the wall, not because he actually knows anything"
Blind squirrel with a broken clock?
Yes, he's gotten almost every prediction he's made since the 2011 era realignment began wrong.
He's become a meme of BS in the WVU community
MHVer3 and Flugempire are the godfathers of realignment shitposting. They've been doing it for ten years. I remember reading their crap back when A&M and Missouri left. It's all bull$#!+.
He should get a golden glove for all of the bases he's covered....
He said that Cal reached out to the MWC, so I want to believe him even though he’s definitely just a shitposter lol
100% full of crap. Posts a bunch of plausible things and some of them end up being sort of accurate. |
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Post by aztech on Jul 12, 2024 16:05:58 GMT -8
But I am not sure the current Big 12 members are going to want to give FSU and Clemson more money than they get. Also going to the Big 12 is a sideways move at best for them. If those two get out of the ACC then they will be SEC bound. Bank on it. If the ACC does look to expand west, I wonder if the B12 would take SDSU and either UNLV or Ore. St. to block them. The B12 views the ACC as their prime competition right now. Imagine if the ACC does look to expand West and takes us, how funny would that be? One reason Cal/Ford deserted the Pac is so they wouldn't have to be co-members with us. If it wasn't for financial reasons I wouldn't want to be with those snobs either. The feeling is mutual. |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 12, 2024 17:04:39 GMT -8
If those two get out of the ACC then they will be SEC bound. Bank on it. If the ACC does look to expand west, I wonder if the B12 would take SDSU and either UNLV or Ore. St. to block them. The B12 views the ACC as their prime competition right now. Imagine if the ACC does look to expand West and takes us, how funny would that be? One reason Cal/Ford deserted the Pac is so they wouldn't have to be co-members with us. If it wasn't for financial reasons I wouldn't want to be with those snobs either. The feeling is mutual. Before discussing the ACC's westward expansion, it's important to follow the ongoing legal battles in North Carolina, South Carolina, and Florida over the ACC Grant of Rights Agreements. These cases involve the ACC's standing in North Carolina, while Florida State and Clemson have brought suits at the state level. This week a Tallahassee court ruled that ESPN must turn over the confidential agreement with FSU. Meanwhile, today a South Carolina judge allowed Clemson to proceed with their case after North Carolina courts dismissed it. The lawsuits against the ACC challenge the validity of the conference's Grant of Rights agreement, which ties media rights of all member schools to the conference until 2036. Both universities are seeking to leave the ACC without paying the substantial exit fees stipulated by the agreement. They argue that the agreement hinders their ability to explore other conference membership options and negotiate media deals independently. This legal battle could have significant implications for the future structure of college athletics, these cases will be appealed by the ACC at the State level, then may reach each State's Supreme Court and find its way into the U.S. Supreme Court. I believe any resolution is at least a few years away. We can talk about it on the board, but I don't see either school making any head-way for a long while. If Florida State and Clemson win their cases against the ACC, they could be allowed to leave the conference without paying exit fees. This would enable them to seek membership in other conferences and negotiate their own media rights deals independently, potentially leading to significant shifts in the college athletics landscape. The legal victories could also set a precedent for other schools looking to challenge similar GOR agreements, and possibly negotiating individual rights, versus collectively as a conference. In the case of the ACCs media rights deal is heavily reliant on the presence of its top football programs, and the departure of Clemson and FSU would likely reduce the value of the ACC's TV contracts. This reduction in value could lead to lower overall revenue for the remaining schools, affecting their athletic budgets and potentially causing them to reconsider their own conference affiliations. If conferences don't have GOR deals with TV networks or Streamers, then there's little reason for expansion, and fewer dollars to chase. The spoils go to the top 25-30 teams, everyone else fighting for the left-over scraps. |
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 12, 2024 17:36:05 GMT -8
If those two get out of the ACC then they will be SEC bound. Bank on it. If the ACC does look to expand west, I wonder if the B12 would take SDSU and either UNLV or Ore. St. to block them. The B12 views the ACC as their prime competition right now. Imagine if the ACC does look to expand West and takes us, how funny would that be? One reason Cal/Ford deserted the Pac is so they wouldn't have to be co-members with us. If it wasn't for financial reasons I wouldn't want to be with those snobs either. The feeling is mutual. Would much rather be in the BIG12 with the Arizona schools and the Utah schools along with PAC2, Boise and UNLV. The Big12 needs to drop off the Eastern teams (UCF, UC an WV) and focus on central and western teams. I know this is not being offered, just do not think this whole cross country conference thing will ever work out. There needs to be more regional rivalry to help keep people some what interested in games though out the entire season. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 13, 2024 9:30:31 GMT -8
If those two get out of the ACC then they will be SEC bound. Bank on it. If the ACC does look to expand west, I wonder if the B12 would take SDSU and either UNLV or Ore. St. to block them. The B12 views the ACC as their prime competition right now. Why would the SEC take either FSU or Clemson. The state of Florida is big enough that I can see the SEC taking FSU, plus their brand is huge. Uni of S. Carolina already gives the SEC the S. Carolina market, so they don't need Clemson too, especially as the entire population of the state is under 6 million. Also, Clemson is one bad head coach from being nothing again as they were before Debo when he retires or gets canned. The only reason I could see them getting into the SEC is simply to block the B10 from getting into the "southern" market. Also, the B12 taking SDSU wouldn't be "blocking" the ACC...the ACC is already on the West Coast with Cal and Stanford. I'm guessing those two will rarely be on the road the same weekends as the ACC will want at least one at home so they can have a late Pacific kickoff game. The B12 unfortunately no longer has a reason to take SDSU as both the B10 and ACC have Pacific coast teams and thus the old tv slot for "PAC 12" after dark already has two competing conferences and thus it's full. Our only hope is that the 4 corner schools want a SoCal presence in their league for recruiting and thus can convince Yormark to expand into the SoCal market. Clemson has three national championships, two in the last 8 years. They are 2-2 in the CFP National Championship games since moving to that format. Pretty sure the SEC wants to be known as the best CFB conference in the nation. When the P2 finally splits off, Clemson easily makes the cut if just 30 teams are taken. Calford gets the ACC into the west, but hardly gives them much in the way of inventory. Personally, I don't see Calford surviving without more western teams to reduce travel. If the ACC were to lose some teams to the P2, they would be smart to expand west. As for the B12, they have two programs that give them some PST games until after the first week in November when the Zona schools go to mountain time. If they want to be a coast-to-coast conference then they need to be in California. Why would SDSU be considered? 1. SDSU is in the 2nd largest city in California, 5th largest county in the US - the biggest market available that doesn't have a school in a "Power Conference." 2. SDSU's athletics revenue ranks 28th in the country at nearly $104M. UCLA sits at 27th with $105M. Unlike UCLA and most former PAC12 schools, SDSU is running a profit with its athletics department. UCLA's deficit was $35M in 2023. SDSU will start seing an additional $3.4M in rent revenue once the MSL teams starts playing here. They will also receive 20% of concessions for those games and rates for static advertising will rise given more exposure. Beginning next year, Snapdragon will host the Holiday Bowl as well, though I haven't heard the financial terms for that partnership. 3. SDSU Fooball, since 2010, has been successful, going to bowl games 12 times in that span. With the departure of the Chargers, they have little competition in SDSU for FB fans. 4. SDSU Basketball has been one of the top 5 schools in the west in the last 13 years and has great fan support. The B12 wants to be the best MBB conference in the nation. 5. San Diego is a hotbed for recruiting and has produced 4 Heisman Trophy winners since 1981. Same can be said of basketball and baseball. 6. Utah, Arizona, ASU and Colorado would all like to see SDSU added to their conference as they all recruit heavily from the region. They would add us before adding Ore. St or Wazzu. 7. After the demise of the PAC, the B12 has now focused on the ACC as their biggest competitor. Any conference who wants to expand west will take SDSU first among schools not already in the top 4 conferences. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 13, 2024 9:34:34 GMT -8
If those two get out of the ACC then they will be SEC bound. Bank on it. If the ACC does look to expand west, I wonder if the B12 would take SDSU and either UNLV or Ore. St. to block them. The B12 views the ACC as their prime competition right now. Imagine if the ACC does look to expand West and takes us, how funny would that be? One reason Cal/Ford deserted the Pac is so they wouldn't have to be co-members with us. If it wasn't for financial reasons I wouldn't want to be with those snobs either. The feeling is mutual. Sorry, that is incorrect. Of the 9 remaining members, the vote to add SDSU was 8-0 with Cal abstaining. Calford doesn't want to be in a conference with Fresno and Boise which will be likely additions to a reformed PAC. Calford wanted the B1G and not the B12. Seems like the B12 didn't want them anyway. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 13, 2024 9:42:58 GMT -8
Imagine if the ACC does look to expand West and takes us, how funny would that be? One reason Cal/Ford deserted the Pac is so they wouldn't have to be co-members with us. If it wasn't for financial reasons I wouldn't want to be with those snobs either. The feeling is mutual. Would much rather be in the BIG12 with the Arizona schools and the Utah schools along with PAC2, Boise and UNLV. The Big12 needs to drop off the Eastern teams (UCF, UC an WV) and focus on central and western teams. I know this is not being offered, just do not think this whole cross country conference thing will ever work out. There needs to be more regional rivalry to help keep people some what interested in games though out the entire season. I agree. My preference has always been to follow the Zona schools and with Utah and Colorado there it is a plus. I still don't like big conferences where you don't play each school annually because it is hard to build rivalries throughout the conference. Travel in the B12 might be a push versus what we see in the MWC as the only school at altitude would be Colorado. We would travel across two time zones frequently and three occasionally. I don't see the B12 dropping anyone. Were the ACC to get raided and not look west, the three schools you mention would be a good geographic fit. But, imagine if the PAC7 had not panicked. You could have had a conference like this: Cal Stanford Ore. St Wazzu Utah Arizona ASU SDSU Potentially UNLV CSU That would have been a very good conference that made geographic sense and still would have had an auto-bid to the CFP. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 13, 2024 12:05:16 GMT -8
Would much rather be in the BIG12 with the Arizona schools and the Utah schools along with PAC2, Boise and UNLV. The Big12 needs to drop off the Eastern teams (UCF, UC an WV) and focus on central and western teams. I know this is not being offered, just do not think this whole cross country conference thing will ever work out. There needs to be more regional rivalry to help keep people some what interested in games though out the entire season. I agree. My preference has always been to follow the Zona schools and with Utah and Colorado there it is a plus. I still don't like big conferences where you don't play each school annually because it is hard to build rivalries throughout the conference. Travel in the B12 might be a push versus what we see in the MWC as the only school at altitude would be Colorado. We would travel across two time zones frequently and three occasionally. I don't see the B12 dropping anyone. Were the ACC to get raided and not look west, the three schools you mention would be a good geographic fit. But, imagine if the PAC7 had not panicked. You could have had a conference like this: Cal Stanford Ore. St Wazzu Utah Arizona ASU SDSU Potentially UNLV CSU That would have been a very good conference that made geographic sense and still would have had an auto-bid to the CFP. Would have been a great conference that would have gotten a decent tv deal. Imho Clemson Fsu Sec Virginia Duke Notre dame Big ten. The rest will scramble. Book it. |
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