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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 7, 2024 10:30:37 GMT -8
I likel the scenario is where there is a full merger with stipulations. If you don't meet x requirements, then you can be voted out of the conference.
Even in a merger, there will be hard issues to settle.
Assuming the PAC 2 survives, then they will need to settle on the following:
PAC2 Tourney Credits - Share or only for the PAC2
MW Credits - Share or remain with the MW members who earned the credits?
Boise Bonus - Keep or eliminate
PAC12 IP - share or retained by the PAC2
Oddly, I can see a scenario where the bottom feeders are scared to be left behind by not meeting the requirements and will block thte P2 surviving. They will agree to whatever demands Boise has to retain them in a MW in exchange for no minimum requirementts.
They will look to lock in Boise as they did before and hold State Captive.
We aren't going to be able tto slip the lead. JMO.
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 7, 2024 11:40:45 GMT -8
I likel the scenario is where there is a full merger with stipulations. If you don't meet x requirements, then you can be voted out of the conference. Even in a merger, there will be hard issues to settle. Assuming the PAC 2 survives, then they will need to settle on the following: PAC2 Tourney Credits - Share or only for the PAC2 MW Credits - Share or remain with the MW members who earned the credits? Boise Bonus - Keep or eliminate PAC12 IP - share or retained by the PAC2 Oddly, I can see a scenario where the bottom feeders are scared to be left behind by not meeting the requirements and will block thte P2 surviving. They will agree to whatever demands Boise has to retain them in a MW in exchange for no minimum requirementts. They will look to lock in Boise as they did before and hold State Captive. We aren't going to be able tto slip the lead. JMO. Time for SDSU to bring in the big guns and look into breaking this contract and figuring out how these bylaws are no longer applicable to how this current conference is set up and it's currently be run in todays environment with hope of growing and moving forward. This current conference seems to be holding 2-3 teams hostage for the betterment of 7-8 under performing slackers. SDSU needs out of the MWC. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 7, 2024 12:32:17 GMT -8
I likel the scenario is where there is a full merger with stipulations. If you don't meet x requirements, then you can be voted out of the conference. Even in a merger, there will be hard issues to settle. Assuming the PAC 2 survives, then they will need to settle on the following: PAC2 Tourney Credits - Share or only for the PAC2 MW Credits - Share or remain with the MW members who earned the credits? Boise Bonus - Keep or eliminate PAC12 IP - share or retained by the PAC2 Oddly, I can see a scenario where the bottom feeders are scared to be left behind by not meeting the requirements and will block thte P2 surviving. They will agree to whatever demands Boise has to retain them in a MW in exchange for no minimum requirementts. They will look to lock in Boise as they did before and hold State Captive. We aren't going to be able tto slip the lead. JMO. First, it won't be a merger. The PAC2 has to rebuild the PAC. In a full "merger," it would be the PAC absorbing the MWC which would then cease to exist. The good: 1. We would then keep all tournament credits for ourselves. 2. There would be no exit fee penalties. 3. Boise St loses its "sweetheart deal." 4. Would likely include better exit terms. The bad: 1. We create a 14 team conference where the majority teams will have reached their apex. We would not be among them, nor would OSU, UNLV, and CSU. 2. The great majority would continue to vote against SDSU's best interests, they just voted to increase our BB schedule to 20 games. 3. The per capita media rights contract values would be diminished, degraded by those schools in bad markets or, in the case of UNM, lousy FB programs. Sorry, for me the bad in a full merger outweighs the good. Same as if the PAC took 9 members. Get me out of this chickenshit conference! Going with 6 MWC teams: The good: 1. You create the best western conference available right now. 2. Conference teams would play each other every year in FB and twice in BB which creates better rivalries. 3. You have only one, perhaps two in AFA, team(s) at altitude. 4. Travel significantly reduced, and no more trips to Wyoming. 5. BB would play 14 conference games, allowing for teams to build up their resumes outside of conference. 6. If AFA comes football only you can add Gonzaga creating a very good BB conference. If AFA decides to go to the AAC then you can add Hawaii FB only with Gonzaga. I'm not against Hawaii coming along as FB only as it does give you an extra home game each year plus a market of 1.44M. 7. Boise St. loses its "sweetheart deal." 8. Likely will include better exit terms. 9. It gets us out of this chickenshit conference! The bad: 1. There will be an exit fee between $5-10M per school. I'm thinking not more than $7M myself based on precedence if proper notice is given. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 7, 2024 12:41:27 GMT -8
Canzano has our AD revenue wrong. It was nearly $104M with $96.6M in expenses, higher than even Oregon St. Both Ore. St. (-$7M) and Wazzu (-$12M) are running deficits. SDSU will be adding more than $3.4M each year once the MSL starts playing and they will be getting money from hosting the Holiday Bowl as well. We already have a P5 budget. |
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Post by AzTex on Jul 7, 2024 13:15:24 GMT -8
I likel the scenario is where there is a full merger with stipulations. If you don't meet x requirements, then you can be voted out of the conference. Even in a merger, there will be hard issues to settle. Assuming the PAC 2 survives, then they will need to settle on the following: PAC2 Tourney Credits - Share or only for the PAC2 MW Credits - Share or remain with the MW members who earned the credits? Boise Bonus - Keep or eliminate PAC12 IP - share or retained by the PAC2 Oddly, I can see a scenario where the bottom feeders are scared to be left behind by not meeting the requirements and will block thte P2 surviving. They will agree to whatever demands Boise has to retain them in a MW in exchange for no minimum requirementts. They will look to lock in Boise as they did before and hold State Captive. We aren't going to be able tto slip the lead. JMO. First, it won't be a merger. The PAC2 has to rebuild the PAC. In a full "merger," it would be the PAC absorbing the MWC which would then cease to exist. The good: 1. We would then keep all tournament credits for ourselves. 2. There would be no exit fee penalties. 3. Boise St loses its "sweetheart deal." 4. Would likely include better exit terms. The bad: 1. We create a 14 team conference where the majority teams will have reached their apex. We would not be among them, nor would OSU, UNLV, and CSU. 2. The great majority would continue to vote against SDSU's best interests, they just voted to increase our BB schedule to 20 games. 3. The per capita media rights contract values would be diminished, degraded by those schools in bad markets or, in the case of UNM, lousy FB programs. Sorry, for me the bad in a full merger outweighs the good. Same as if the PAC took 9 members. Get me out of this chickenshit conference! Going with 6 MWC teams: The good: 1. You create the best western conference available right now. 2. Conference teams would play each other every year in FB and twice in BB which creates better rivalries. 3. You have only one, perhaps two in AFA, team at altitude. 4. Travel significantly reduced, and no more trips to Wyoming. 5. BB would play 14 conference games, allowing for teams to build up their resumes outside of conference. 6. If AFA comes football only you can add Gonzaga creating a very good BB conference. If AFA decides to go to the AAC then you can add Hawaii FB only with Gonzaga. I'm not against Hawaii coming along as FB only as it does give you an extra home game each year. 7. Boise St. loses its "sweetheart deal." 8. Likely will include better exit terms. 9. It gets us out of this chickenshit conference. The bad: 1. There will be an exit fee between $5-10M per school. I'm thinking not more than $7M myself based on precedence if proper notice is given. You had me at "no more trips to Wyoming." And "Boise st. loses its 'sweetheart deal'. " |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 7, 2024 15:07:09 GMT -8
I likel the scenario is where there is a full merger with stipulations. If you don't meet x requirements, then you can be voted out of the conference. Even in a merger, there will be hard issues to settle. Assuming the PAC 2 survives, then they will need to settle on the following: PAC2 Tourney Credits - Share or only for the PAC2 MW Credits - Share or remain with the MW members who earned the credits? Boise Bonus - Keep or eliminate PAC12 IP - share or retained by the PAC2 Oddly, I can see a scenario where the bottom feeders are scared to be left behind by not meeting the requirements and will block thte P2 surviving. They will agree to whatever demands Boise has to retain them in a MW in exchange for no minimum requirementts. They will look to lock in Boise as they did before and hold State Captive. We aren't going to be able tto slip the lead. JMO. First, it won't be a merger. The PAC2 has to rebuild the PAC. In a full "merger," it would be the PAC absorbing the MWC which would then cease to exist. The good: 1. We would then keep all tournament credits for ourselves. 2. There would be no exit fee penalties. 3. Boise St loses its "sweetheart deal." 4. Would likely include better exit terms. The bad: 1. We create a 14 team conference where the majority teams will have reached their apex. We would not be among them, nor would OSU, UNLV, and CSU. 2. The great majority would continue to vote against SDSU's best interests, they just voted to increase our BB schedule to 20 games. 3. The per capita media rights contract values would be diminished, degraded by those schools in bad markets or, in the case of UNM, lousy FB programs. Sorry, for me the bad in a full merger outweighs the good. Same as if the PAC took 9 members. Get me out of this chickenshit conference! Going with 6 MWC teams: The good: 1. You create the best western conference available right now. 2. Conference teams would play each other every year in FB and twice in BB which creates better rivalries. 3. You have only one, perhaps two in AFA, team(s) at altitude. 4. Travel significantly reduced, and no more trips to Wyoming. 5. BB would play 14 conference games, allowing for teams to build up their resumes outside of conference. 6. If AFA comes football only you can add Gonzaga creating a very good BB conference. If AFA decides to go to the AAC then you can add Hawaii FB only with Gonzaga. I'm not against Hawaii coming along as FB only as it does give you an extra home game each year plus a market of 1.44M. 7. Boise St. loses its "sweetheart deal." 8. Likely will include better exit terms. 9. It gets us out of this chickenshit conference! The bad: 1. There will be an exit fee between $5-10M per school. I'm thinking not more than $7M myself based on precedence if proper notice is given. The PAC may want to rebuild and may need to rebuild to retain certain funds, but nothing requires the MW to do anything. If a block of 6 stick together and lure Boise with an inordinate amount of the TV revenue, then the PAC could be blocked from expanding if they only can lure 5 MW teams. |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 7, 2024 15:35:58 GMT -8
First, it won't be a merger. The PAC2 has to rebuild the PAC. In a full "merger," it would be the PAC absorbing the MWC which would then cease to exist. The good: 1. We would then keep all tournament credits for ourselves. 2. There would be no exit fee penalties. 3. Boise St loses its "sweetheart deal." 4. Would likely include better exit terms. The bad: 1. We create a 14 team conference where the majority teams will have reached their apex. We would not be among them, nor would OSU, UNLV, and CSU. 2. The great majority would continue to vote against SDSU's best interests, they just voted to increase our BB schedule to 20 games. 3. The per capita media rights contract values would be diminished, degraded by those schools in bad markets or, in the case of UNM, lousy FB programs. Sorry, for me the bad in a full merger outweighs the good. Same as if the PAC took 9 members. Get me out of this chickenshit conference! Going with 6 MWC teams: The good: 1. You create the best western conference available right now. 2. Conference teams would play each other every year in FB and twice in BB which creates better rivalries. 3. You have only one, perhaps two in AFA, team(s) at altitude. 4. Travel significantly reduced, and no more trips to Wyoming. 5. BB would play 14 conference games, allowing for teams to build up their resumes outside of conference. 6. If AFA comes football only you can add Gonzaga creating a very good BB conference. If AFA decides to go to the AAC then you can add Hawaii FB only with Gonzaga. I'm not against Hawaii coming along as FB only as it does give you an extra home game each year plus a market of 1.44M. 7. Boise St. loses its "sweetheart deal." 8. Likely will include better exit terms. 9. It gets us out of this chickenshit conference! The bad: 1. There will be an exit fee between $5-10M per school. I'm thinking not more than $7M myself based on precedence if proper notice is given. The PAC may want to rebuild and may need to rebuild to retain certain funds, but nothing requires the MW to do anything. If a block of 6 stick together and lure Boise with an inordinate amount of the TV revenue, then the PAC could be blocked from expanding if they only can lure 5 MW teams. Boise isn’t staying in that dump. They will be the ones leading the exodus along with SDSU. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 7, 2024 15:51:48 GMT -8
First, it won't be a merger. The PAC2 has to rebuild the PAC. In a full "merger," it would be the PAC absorbing the MWC which would then cease to exist. The good: 1. We would then keep all tournament credits for ourselves. 2. There would be no exit fee penalties. 3. Boise St loses its "sweetheart deal." 4. Would likely include better exit terms. The bad: 1. We create a 14 team conference where the majority teams will have reached their apex. We would not be among them, nor would OSU, UNLV, and CSU. 2. The great majority would continue to vote against SDSU's best interests, they just voted to increase our BB schedule to 20 games. 3. The per capita media rights contract values would be diminished, degraded by those schools in bad markets or, in the case of UNM, lousy FB programs. Sorry, for me the bad in a full merger outweighs the good. Same as if the PAC took 9 members. Get me out of this chickenshit conference! Going with 6 MWC teams: The good: 1. You create the best western conference available right now. 2. Conference teams would play each other every year in FB and twice in BB which creates better rivalries. 3. You have only one, perhaps two in AFA, team(s) at altitude. 4. Travel significantly reduced, and no more trips to Wyoming. 5. BB would play 14 conference games, allowing for teams to build up their resumes outside of conference. 6. If AFA comes football only you can add Gonzaga creating a very good BB conference. If AFA decides to go to the AAC then you can add Hawaii FB only with Gonzaga. I'm not against Hawaii coming along as FB only as it does give you an extra home game each year plus a market of 1.44M. 7. Boise St. loses its "sweetheart deal." 8. Likely will include better exit terms. 9. It gets us out of this chickenshit conference! The bad: 1. There will be an exit fee between $5-10M per school. I'm thinking not more than $7M myself based on precedence if proper notice is given. The PAC may want to rebuild and may need to rebuild to retain certain funds, but nothing requires the MW to do anything. If a block of 6 stick together and lure Boise with an inordinate amount of the TV revenue, then the PAC could be blocked from expanding if they only can lure 5 MW teams. For us, it is addition by subtraction. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 7, 2024 16:06:41 GMT -8
The PAC may want to rebuild and may need to rebuild to retain certain funds, but nothing requires the MW to do anything. If a block of 6 stick together and lure Boise with an inordinate amount of the TV revenue, then the PAC could be blocked from expanding if they only can lure 5 MW teams. Boise isn’t staying in that dump. They will be the ones leading the exodus along with SDSU. Boise is all about Boise and cut us off at our Knees for $1.8M more per year in TV Revenue as they negotiated a return to the MW at our expense. They did it once and they will do it again. STATE NEEDS TO LOOK OUT FOR ITSELF ALL TIMES. |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 7, 2024 16:32:06 GMT -8
The PAC may want to rebuild and may need to rebuild to retain certain funds, but nothing requires the MW to do anything. If a block of 6 stick together and lure Boise with an inordinate amount of the TV revenue, then the PAC could be blocked from expanding if they only can lure 5 MW teams. Boise isn’t staying in that dump. They will be the ones leading the exodus along with SDSU. On 7/3/24 -- Bob Thompson, ex-President of FOX Sports, has shared his insights on the market value of the current PAC-2/Mountain West schools, estimating it to be in the $7.5M to $10M range per school. This valuation considers factors such as the demand for sports content from linear networks and streamers, potential ratings, in-game inventory, TV household (TVHH) and designated market area (DMA) sizes, re-transmission rights, and production costs. Ultimately, the interest in regional content will play a crucial role. Thompson highlights that while the CW and FOX currently hold some rights to PAC-2 football, the focus is more on exposure and relevance rather than total financial gain. ESPN and CBS Sports have rights to Mountain West content, and recent bids for second-tier Mountain West football came from TNT Sports, TruTV, and Max. Streamers like Apple and Amazon might enter the fray, but with the departures of Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington, their interest in investing millions is uncertain. However, subscription-driven incentives could still be a factor. Thompson believes a new PAC TV rights deal could be more lucrative than a deal with the Mountain West, potentially doubling the current $4M per school. Venture capitalists might also be interested in adding to the pot, as suggested by the Big XII for a new partnership and revenue source. Networks like ESPN or FOX might find West Coast Prime increasingly valuable, and the new PAC might even attract an AAC team, enhancing its profile. However, many variables remain, including the number of schools, media value, and potential realignment or expansion by the ACC, SEC, Big 10, or Big XII. There are also significant penalties and costs associated with poaching MW schools and the preferences of Oregon State and Washington State for their new PAC partners need to be considered. (No one believes a reverse merger is a good idea, however, dissolving the conference could come into play, but requires many more mouths to feed, and MW schools would need to increase from 5 to 9 or so.) The DMA rankings of potential TVHHs & viewers PAC-2/Mountain West schools are as follows:
Oregon State: Portland DMA (#23) Washington State: Spokane DMA (#65) + part of Seattle DMA (#13) SDSU: San Diego DMA (#30) (with alumni in both SoCal and the Bay Area) Boise State: Boise DMA (#97) Colorado State: Denver DMA (#17) Fresno State: Fresno DMA (#52) + Sacramento/Modesto/Stockton DMA (#20) UNLV: Las Vegas DMA (#40) Potential AAC schools 1,2 or 3 possibilities:
Tulane (New Orleans DMA #51), Memphis (Memphis DMA #50), UTSA (San Antonio DMA #31),
Rice (Houston DMA #6, with a limited local TV draw). Your thoughts on this video from Spencer McLaughlin: "Does ‘Pac-2’ Have Marketable Monetary Value?" Link: superwestsports.com/mclaughlin-does-pac-2-have-marketable-monetary-value/ |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 7, 2024 16:52:59 GMT -8
Boise isn’t staying in that dump. They will be the ones leading the exodus along with SDSU. On 7/3/24 -- Bob Thompson, ex-President of FOX Sports, has shared his insights on the market value of the current PAC-2/Mountain West schools, estimating it to be in the $7.5M to $10M range per school. This valuation considers factors such as the demand for sports content from linear networks and streamers, potential ratings, in-game inventory, TV household (TVHH) and designated market area (DMA) sizes, re-transmission rights, and production costs. Ultimately, the interest in regional content will play a crucial role. Thompson highlights that while the CW and FOX currently hold some rights to PAC-2 football, the focus is more on exposure and relevance rather than total financial gain. ESPN and CBS Sports have rights to Mountain West content, and recent bids for second-tier Mountain West football came from TNT Sports, TruTV, and Max. Streamers like Apple and Amazon might enter the fray, but with the departures of Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington, their interest in investing millions is uncertain. However, subscription-driven incentives could still be a factor. Thompson believes a new PAC TV rights deal could be more lucrative than a deal with the Mountain West, potentially doubling the current $4M per school. Venture capitalists might also be interested in adding to the pot, as suggested by the Big XII for a new partnership and revenue source. Networks like ESPN or FOX might find West Coast Prime increasingly valuable, and the new PAC might even attract an AAC team, enhancing its profile. However, many variables remain, including the number of schools, media value, and potential realignment or expansion by the ACC, SEC, Big 10, or Big XII. There are also significant penalties and costs associated with poaching MW schools and the preferences of Oregon State and Washington State for their new PAC partners need to be considered. (No one believes a reverse merger is a good idea, however, dissolving the conference could come into play, but requires many more mouths to feed, and MW schools would need to increase from 5 to 9 or so.) The DMA rankings of potential TVHHs & viewers PAC-2/Mountain West schools are as follows:
Oregon State: Portland DMA (#23) Washington State: Spokane DMA (#65) + part of Seattle DMA (#13) SDSU: San Diego DMA (#30) (with alumni in both SoCal and the Bay Area) Boise State: Boise DMA (#97) Colorado State: Denver DMA (#17) Fresno State: Fresno DMA (#52) + Sacramento/Modesto/Stockton DMA (#20) UNLV: Las Vegas DMA (#40) Potential AAC schools 1,2 or 3 possibilities:
Tulane (New Orleans DMA #51), Memphis (Memphis DMA #50), UTSA (San Antonio DMA #31),
Rice (Houston DMA #6, with a limited local TV draw). Your thoughts on this video from Spencer McLaughlin: "Does ‘Pac-2’ Have Marketable Monetary Value?" Link: superwestsports.com/mclaughlin-does-pac-2-have-marketable-monetary-value/ I should add, Stanford and California will receive partial revenue shares upon joining the ACC, rather than full shares. For the first seven years of their membership, they will receive a reduced share of the conference's media rights revenue. The agreed terms will likely be at a reduced revenue cut of Tier 1 ACC rights from the ESPN deal. Cal and Stanford have reportedly agreed to each take about 30% of the $24 million ACC pro rata share to start, or roughly $7-10 million. That payout will increase over time to nearly a full share, which is about the same amount as the new PAC value, less Stanford and CAL. However, the academics of the new PAC would not be at the same standards with lowly ranked schools such as Boise State, Fresno State and UNLV. In the past both Stanford and CAL (UC Board of Regents) did not want to mix with the CSU system for academics or sports. |
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Post by docmm on Jul 7, 2024 17:09:54 GMT -8
Boise isn’t staying in that dump. They will be the ones leading the exodus along with SDSU. On 7/3/24 -- Bob Thompson, ex-President of FOX Sports, has shared his insights on the market value of the current PAC-2/Mountain West schools, estimating it to be in the $7.5M to $10M range per school. This valuation considers factors such as the demand for sports content from linear networks and streamers, potential ratings, in-game inventory, TV household (TVHH) and designated market area (DMA) sizes, re-transmission rights, and production costs. Ultimately, the interest in regional content will play a crucial role. Thompson highlights that while the CW and FOX currently hold some rights to PAC-2 football, the focus is more on exposure and relevance rather than total financial gain. ESPN and CBS Sports have rights to Mountain West content, and recent bids for second-tier Mountain West football came from TNT Sports, TruTV, and Max. Streamers like Apple and Amazon might enter the fray, but with the departures of Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington, their interest in investing millions is uncertain. However, subscription-driven incentives could still be a factor. Thompson believes a new PAC TV rights deal could be more lucrative than a deal with the Mountain West, potentially doubling the current $4M per school. Venture capitalists might also be interested in adding to the pot, as suggested by the Big XII for a new partnership and revenue source. Networks like ESPN or FOX might find West Coast Prime increasingly valuable, and the new PAC might even attract an AAC team, enhancing its profile. However, many variables remain, including the number of schools, media value, and potential realignment or expansion by the ACC, SEC, Big 10, or Big XII. There are also significant penalties and costs associated with poaching MW schools and the preferences of Oregon State and Washington State for their new PAC partners need to be considered. (No one believes a reverse merger is a good idea, however, dissolving the conference could come into play, but requires many more mouths to feed, and MW schools would need to increase from 5 to 9 or so.) The DMA rankings of potential TVHHs & viewers PAC-2/Mountain West schools are as follows:
Oregon State: Portland DMA (#23) Washington State: Spokane DMA (#65) + part of Seattle DMA (#13) SDSU: San Diego DMA (#30) (with alumni in both SoCal and the Bay Area) Boise State: Boise DMA (#97) Colorado State: Denver DMA (#17) Fresno State: Fresno DMA (#52) + Sacramento/Modesto/Stockton DMA (#20) UNLV: Las Vegas DMA (#40) Potential AAC schools 1,2 or 3 possibilities:
Tulane (New Orleans DMA #51), Memphis (Memphis DMA #50), UTSA (San Antonio DMA #31),
Rice (Houston DMA #6, with a limited local TV draw). Your thoughts on this video from Spencer McLaughlin: "Does ‘Pac-2’ Have Marketable Monetary Value?" Link: superwestsports.com/mclaughlin-does-pac-2-have-marketable-monetary-value/I'd be just fine with all those schools except Boise. Trade Boise and Air Force for either Memphis and Tulane or Tulane and UTSA. 1 elevation school a year would be heaven and Boise doesn't deserve upgrading after screwing the rest of us these past years. I'd be just fine with all those schools except Boise. Trade Boise and Air Force for either Memphis and Tulane or Tulane and UTSA. 1 elevation school a year would be heaven and Boise doesn't deserve upgrading after screwing the rest of us these past years. |
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 7, 2024 17:35:13 GMT -8
On 7/3/24 -- Bob Thompson, ex-President of FOX Sports, has shared his insights on the market value of the current PAC-2/Mountain West schools, estimating it to be in the $7.5M to $10M range per school. This valuation considers factors such as the demand for sports content from linear networks and streamers, potential ratings, in-game inventory, TV household (TVHH) and designated market area (DMA) sizes, re-transmission rights, and production costs. Ultimately, the interest in regional content will play a crucial role. Thompson highlights that while the CW and FOX currently hold some rights to PAC-2 football, the focus is more on exposure and relevance rather than total financial gain. ESPN and CBS Sports have rights to Mountain West content, and recent bids for second-tier Mountain West football came from TNT Sports, TruTV, and Max. Streamers like Apple and Amazon might enter the fray, but with the departures of Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington, their interest in investing millions is uncertain. However, subscription-driven incentives could still be a factor. Thompson believes a new PAC TV rights deal could be more lucrative than a deal with the Mountain West, potentially doubling the current $4M per school. Venture capitalists might also be interested in adding to the pot, as suggested by the Big XII for a new partnership and revenue source. Networks like ESPN or FOX might find West Coast Prime increasingly valuable, and the new PAC might even attract an AAC team, enhancing its profile. However, many variables remain, including the number of schools, media value, and potential realignment or expansion by the ACC, SEC, Big 10, or Big XII. There are also significant penalties and costs associated with poaching MW schools and the preferences of Oregon State and Washington State for their new PAC partners need to be considered. (No one believes a reverse merger is a good idea, however, dissolving the conference could come into play, but requires many more mouths to feed, and MW schools would need to increase from 5 to 9 or so.) The DMA rankings of potential TVHHs & viewers PAC-2/Mountain West schools are as follows:
Oregon State: Portland DMA (#23) Washington State: Spokane DMA (#65) + part of Seattle DMA (#13) SDSU: San Diego DMA (#30) (with alumni in both SoCal and the Bay Area) Boise State: Boise DMA (#97) Colorado State: Denver DMA (#17) Fresno State: Fresno DMA (#52) + Sacramento/Modesto/Stockton DMA (#20) UNLV: Las Vegas DMA (#40) Potential AAC schools 1,2 or 3 possibilities:
Tulane (New Orleans DMA #51), Memphis (Memphis DMA #50), UTSA (San Antonio DMA #31),
Rice (Houston DMA #6, with a limited local TV draw). Your thoughts on this video from Spencer McLaughlin: "Does ‘Pac-2’ Have Marketable Monetary Value?" Link: superwestsports.com/mclaughlin-does-pac-2-have-marketable-monetary-value/I'd be just fine with all those schools except Boise. Trade Boise and Air Force for either Memphis and Tulane or Tulane and UTSA. 1 elevation school a year would be heaven and Boise doesn't deserve upgrading after screwing the rest of us these past years. I'd be just fine with all those schools except Boise. Trade Boise and Air Force for either Memphis and Tulane or Tulane and UTSA. 1 elevation school a year would be heaven and Boise doesn't deserve upgrading after screwing the rest of us these past years. brings nothing to the table, they are looked at as a freak show gimmick type program that is running a "wishbone" (chop block) type of game that just runs through players from the unlimited assembly-line of recruits founded by the Military (Uncle Sam) who bring in 50-60 new recruits every year. The Basketball team sucks every year Baseball all about altitude and turn over in players again The others sports (does it really matter) Women's sports ? ? ? Need to get away from them and the others slackers in this conference. |
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Post by jdaztec on Jul 7, 2024 17:57:20 GMT -8
I know very few on hear agree and for some valid reasons but if you don't include Air Force I like Hawaii. It is a great road trip for fans and idk you stay a couple of extra days a reward for players. It is also a positive novelty for the conference and great recruiting grounds for big bodies. I attend about 80 % of our games in the islands.
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Post by docmm on Jul 7, 2024 20:06:53 GMT -8
I know very few on hear agree and for some valid reasons but if you don't include Air Force I like Hawaii. It is a great road trip for fans and idk you stay a couple of extra days a reward for players. It is also a positive novelty for the conference and great recruiting grounds for big bodies. I attend about 80 % of our games in the islands. I see your points but it does make the logistics of travel more complicated as far as $ and time. But I'd sure rather play there in the wintertime than in Casper. |
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Post by 94sdsu on Jul 7, 2024 20:13:08 GMT -8
I know very few on hear agree and for some valid reasons but if you don't include Air Force I like Hawaii. It is a great road trip for fans and idk you stay a couple of extra days a reward for players. It is also a positive novelty for the conference and great recruiting grounds for big bodies. I attend about 80 % of our games in the islands. I see your points but it does make the logistics of travel more complicated as far as $ and time. But I'd sure rather play there in the wintertime than in Casper. The best thing about Hawaii is you get the 13th game, so I think adding them is worth it just for that |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 7, 2024 22:59:45 GMT -8
I'd be just fine with all those schools except Boise. Trade Boise and Air Force for either Memphis and Tulane or Tulane and UTSA. 1 elevation school a year would be heaven and Boise doesn't deserve upgrading after screwing the rest of us these past years. brings nothing to the table, they are looked at as a freak show gimmick type program that is running a "wishbone" (chop block) type of game that just runs through players from the unlimited assembly-line of recruits founded by the Military (Uncle Sam) who bring in 50-60 new recruits every year. The Basketball team sucks every year Baseball all about altitude and turn over in players again The others sports (does it really matter) Women's sports ? ? ? Need to get away from them and the others slackers in this conference. I don't see the Air Force Academy as a primary choice for the initial PAC rebuild, Colorado Springs is a small TV Market with 355,000 TVHHs or 0.31% of the US as opposed to Denver with 1,8MM TVHHs. AFA Football has been decent in the MW, but maybe not as good at a higher level, all other sports are limited. Its hard to think that AFA is a priority for any of the TV Networks, or would bring the market value that the other MW schools do. |
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 8, 2024 6:03:39 GMT -8
Air Force should join Army n Navy in FB and send the Oly sports to a regional conference. Seems like the most logical situation and solution to me?
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Jul 8, 2024 7:12:22 GMT -8
I know very few on hear agree and for some valid reasons but if you don't include Air Force I like Hawaii. It is a great road trip for fans and idk you stay a couple of extra days a reward for players. It is also a positive novelty for the conference and great recruiting grounds for big bodies. I attend about 80 % of our games in the islands. I like Hawaii for all the reasons you list, but there has to be one requirement imposed on them: To be included in any conference talk they must break ground on a real stadium. Their current non-facility is a disgrace. No more “We’ll get to it later” promises from Hawaii. Build it or you’re out. |
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Post by richpjr on Jul 8, 2024 9:29:41 GMT -8
Please no to Hawaii. Vacations are great and I enjoyed the times I have spent in Hawaii but it's a travel PITA and worse most other schools. Not to mention they are a mediocre program with little to offer.
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