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Post by standiego on Jul 8, 2024 9:35:34 GMT -8
in talking with friends in the Denver areas they are strongly behind watching U of Colorado Not CSU
AFA has very little support in the way of Viewers and as mentioned should be in the same conference as Army and Navy
BSU - while BSU may not be as big as other areas - they do have a strong following in the surrounding areas - and even some National fans
but in the end it is the Marketeers of the possible TV networks that count the most as they have the money to PAY and that means a lot
Hawaii - as some coaches have said the trip there and back can take a lot out of your team for games after you play them - so unless TV wants them might want to pass
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Post by Cwag on Jul 8, 2024 11:17:16 GMT -8
Please no to Hawaii. Vacations are great and I enjoyed the times I have spent in Hawaii but it's a travel PITA and worse most other schools. Not to mention they are a mediocre program with little to offer. but what great sunsets eh? |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 8, 2024 13:44:28 GMT -8
Please no to Hawaii. Vacations are great and I enjoyed the times I have spent in Hawaii but it's a travel PITA and worse most other schools. Not to mention they are a mediocre program with little to offer. Hawaii has a history of some decent programs and Hawaiians tend to be football fans. Football only, with Gonzaga, those would be my terms as well as an actual commitment to build a new stadium. You have a market of 1.44M people and would play games during their afternoon. I do like UTSA but they would be on a island without adding another Texas team. Memphis even a bigger island so you would have to bring Tulane in as a travel partner. This could be a dream conference for us SDSU UNLV CSU Ore Wazzu Boise or Fresno or Hawaii/Gonzaga UTSA Memphis Tulane Rice or UNT I'd prefer just 10 teams because of basketball. Memphis would be a nice BB add but the others haven't been of note. Boise is better than Fresno when it comes to BB. But, I just don't see us attracting AAC schools right now. |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 8, 2024 14:56:39 GMT -8
from the Bladface Truth, John Canzano's mailbag today Q & A on the PAC2. Its a direct lift, some interesting tidbits. Q: With seemingly more rumors coming out about Pac-12 picking off the top-tier Mountain West Conference teams, what are the chances that happens in the next few years and how many teams do you think it would be? — @realderekharper
A: The Pac-12 has a two-year grace period to add at least six members and reach the NCAA minimum of eight teams. That’s the timeline. If there’s no place in the Big 12 or ACC for Washington State and Oregon State, they will rebuild and aim to be the best football conference on the West Coast.
Raid the Mountain West and take the top six or so teams? Or does that sound too much like what the Big Ten did to the Pac-12? Discuss. I wonder if there’s an appetite for that in Corvallis and Pullman given all the feelings of the last year.
I outlined a more holistic strategy to add a half dozen or more MWC teams last week. I suspect the bottom feeders in that conference didn’t like what I wrote, but if they want to belong to that conference, they’d have to increase athletic department spending.
Q: What is the marketing strategy for the ‘Pac-2’ moving forward? Most Beavs and Wazzu fans are irritated that the marketing of our plight was low-key, seemingly based to not ruffle feathers. Seemingly a surefire path to irrelevance. — @waiting90days
A: The two schools need to invest in boosting their brands and telling their story, particularly between now and December. I’d hire Wieden+Kennedy and arm them with a Super Bowl-sized budget. Crowing about themselves is not in the DNA of Oregon State and Washington State. They need outside help.
Q: What do WSU and OSU need to do to market themselves better? I think they haven’t done enough, especially with AD Pat Chun defecting to UW and President Kirk Schulz retiring next summer. — sally _riley
A: OSU and WSU have not invested well in building their brands over the years. It’s partly why they find themselves in the current situation. The whole “we’re built… not bought” mentality is a substance play. It’s great for your core fan base and a few donors, but it doesn’t speak the love language of modern college athletics.
The Beavers and Cougars are living in a world dominated by schools that understand how to invest in building their brands. It’s time for the Cougars and Beavers to stop positioning themselves as “The Little Engine That Could” and find a pitch that positions them in a way that matters.
Q: If the “Pac-2” got an invite from either the ACC or Big 12 at a reduced share should they take it over rebuilding the Pac-12? Seems like a lot of factors to weigh like the stability of those conferences and having to give back money to defectors. GOCOUGS & Beavs — @c_rog6
A: I get the question, but those two schools would crawl through a field of broken glass if it meant they could into one of the “Power 4” conferences. It’s what SMU did in buying its way into the ACC.
Q: What percent chance is anything likely to get resolved with the ACC this summer? And if that chance hits — what’s the dream scenario for WSU/OSU? — @news_bling
A: This summer feels too ambitious. The most optimistic outlooks I’ve seen have a solution coming sometime after college football season |
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Post by standiego on Jul 9, 2024 13:37:31 GMT -8
ESPN as most have said the future of the ACC could be determined by what happens with the ACC and ESPN and their TV deal - think renewal date is Feb 2025 ?
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jul 9, 2024 14:56:06 GMT -8
ESPN as most have said the future of the ACC could be determined by what happens with the ACC and ESPN and their TV deal - think renewal date is Feb 2025 ? Does ESPN go scorched earth and burn down the ACC, as the did the PAC or do the limit the bleeding to fsu/ Clemson by paying $ to keep defections to big 12 and then add 2 schools, perhaps western schools for a western wing and additional pst inventory |
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Post by omnipotentaztec on Jul 9, 2024 23:12:35 GMT -8
Please no to Hawaii. Vacations are great and I enjoyed the times I have spent in Hawaii but it's a travel PITA and worse most other schools. Not to mention they are a mediocre program with little to offer. Hawaii has a history of some decent programs and Hawaiians tend to be football fans. Football only, with Gonzaga, those would be my terms as well as an actual commitment to build a new stadium. You have a market of 1.44M people and would play games during their afternoon. I do like UTSA but they would be on a island without adding another Texas team. Memphis even a bigger island so you would have to bring Tulane in as a travel partner. This could be a dream conference for us SDSU UNLV CSU Ore Wazzu Boise or Fresno or Hawaii/Gonzaga UTSA Memphis Tulane Rice or UNT I'd prefer just 10 teams because of basketball. Memphis would be a nice BB add but the others haven't been of note. Boise is better than Fresno when it comes to BB. But, I just don't see us attracting AAC schools right now. Please no Fresno State. Also, let's put CSU into the midwest or east division: West: SDSU UNLV OSU Wazzu Boise East: CSU UTSA Memphis Tulane Rice Now, this might be decent. |
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 10, 2024 7:47:08 GMT -8
Hawaii has a history of some decent programs and Hawaiians tend to be football fans. Football only, with Gonzaga, those would be my terms as well as an actual commitment to build a new stadium. You have a market of 1.44M people and would play games during their afternoon. I do like UTSA but they would be on a island without adding another Texas team. Memphis even a bigger island so you would have to bring Tulane in as a travel partner. This could be a dream conference for us SDSU UNLV CSU Ore Wazzu Boise or Fresno or Hawaii/Gonzaga UTSA Memphis Tulane Rice or UNT I'd prefer just 10 teams because of basketball. Memphis would be a nice BB add but the others haven't been of note. Boise is better than Fresno when it comes to BB. But, I just don't see us attracting AAC schools right now. Please no Fresno State. Also, let's put CSU into the midwest or east division: West: SDSU UNLV OSU Wazzu Boise East: CSU UTSA Memphis Tulane Rice Now, this might be decent. If something like this could happen, especially with Lucy holding the football? How would we entice the AAC teams? Prefer Boise to be in east half, especially if there were substitutions(Hawaii, Fresno,etc..)? Fair to midland FB n BB conference? Oly sports probably a wash in terms of travel, with some farther, but access to major airports. Looks like a half n half as far as academics goes? Doubt this gets us P5, but I'm all in if it means leaving, the bus rides, altitude and the weight of the MWC. But, if ifs and buts were nuts.... |
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Post by jdaztec on Jul 10, 2024 8:45:42 GMT -8
Im thinking they will start and stay with 8 for a few years and see if they can lure back CAL and Stanford.
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Post by laaztec on Jul 10, 2024 9:30:34 GMT -8
Im thinking they will start and stay with 8 for a few years and see if they can lure back CAL and Stanford. Agree and a huge long shot maybe UCLA returns to a regional conference after being a doormat in the Big 10. |
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Post by standiego on Jul 10, 2024 10:38:39 GMT -8
Fresno has a pretty decent fan base that are loyal to the team and probably good number of TV Viewers and this boils down to TV Network money paying the New PAC
It was Fox that assisted the BIG in getting the PAC schools not ESPN
ESPN is a business that is trying to survive as FOX has been advancing - so it will make business decisions as they need to do - SEC is their big TV Deal and then have the Big 12 - not sure how much it gets in TV Viewers from the ACC - so if they can pay whatever is going to be the ACC at a lower cost it might do what is best for them .
The new PAC can wait to see what happens with the ESPN/ ACC TV deal
UCLA needs the TV money of the BIG deal so doubt that they consider coming back to the PAC and the much lower TV Deal
The PAC 2 have to make decisions on being an 8 team conference for its start up in 2 years
So it will be the PAC 2 and their TV partners that call the shots
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Post by Den60 on Jul 10, 2024 15:04:58 GMT -8
Fresno has a pretty decent fan base that are loyal to the team and probably good number of TV Viewers and this boils down to TV Network money paying the New PAC It was Fox that assisted the BIG in getting the PAC schools not ESPN ESPN is a business that is trying to survive as FOX has been advancing - so it will make business decisions as they need to do - SEC is their big TV Deal and then have the Big 12 - not sure how much it gets in TV Viewers from the ACC - so if they can pay whatever is going to be the ACC at a lower cost it might do what is best for them . The new PAC can wait to see what happens with the ESPN/ ACC TV deal UCLA needs the TV money of the BIG deal so doubt that they consider coming back to the PAC and the much lower TV Deal The PAC 2 have to make decisions on being an 8 team conference for its start up in 2 years So it will be the PAC 2 and their TV partners that call the shots Fresno, however, doesn't support their men's BB program, just hired a high school coach to take over. The guy had a stint in CBB a few years back and failed. Had UCLA stayed in the PAC, even with the loss of USC and Oregon or Washington, the conference would have commanded over $40M/year. Some proposed that UCLA get paid a bit more for their media rights deal but Oregon and Washington nixed that idea. Now Oregon and Washington are getting half what UCLA receives and much less what they would have gotten had they chose to keep UCLA in the PAC, which was most definitely doable. As for UCLA, they have figured $10M initially to mitigate travel issues in the B1G. Might be a bit less as that was before Oregon and Washington joined. They also have to pay Cal $10M annually for at least 3 years in "Calimony." Then you have to factor in their $35M AD budget deficit. They will not be position to do well in the B1G and LA fans won't support a losing team. UCLA FB will be a bottom dweller in the PAC and I do think their men's BB program will suffer to boot. They likely would have been better off in the PAC both financially and competitively than they will be in the B1G and I think their fans will quickly rue their decision to leave. |
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Post by standiego on Jul 10, 2024 15:15:38 GMT -8
Fox swung the deal to get UCLA into the BIG and will guess they will do their best to make sure things go as smoothly as possible -
Just saying that the new PAC should not expect UCLA to come crawling back have to plan on them not being in the new PAC - same very likely for Stanford or CAL unless the ACC implodes
Have to move forward with the best the PAC can get out of the TV network deal it can and the TV network will be a major player in deciding who the PAC might want to have in the conference
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Post by myownwords on Jul 10, 2024 15:44:42 GMT -8
ESPN as most have said the future of the ACC could be determined by what happens with the ACC and ESPN and their TV deal - think renewal date is Feb 2025 ? I think Mr. Canzano would be of more service as a nurse, rather than an augur. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 10, 2024 16:37:14 GMT -8
ACC is dead
Clemson
Fsu
To sec for sure
Virginia
Notre dame
To big for sure
Duke/NC will end up in 1 of the 2.
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Post by aztecjeff on Jul 11, 2024 7:19:18 GMT -8
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Post by Den60 on Jul 11, 2024 18:03:47 GMT -8
Fox swung the deal to get UCLA into the BIG and will guess they will do their best to make sure things go as smoothly as possible - Just saying that the new PAC should not expect UCLA to come crawling back have to plan on them not being in the new PAC - same very likely for Stanford or CAL unless the ACC implodes Have to move forward with the best the PAC can get out of the TV network deal it can and the TV network will be a major player in deciding who the PAC might want to have in the conference FOX wanted Oregon, but USC said no. FOX then pivoted to UCLA to lock ESPN our of LA. Then FOX OK'd being along Oregon and Washington at half shares. No, UCLA will not likely be able to come back, but the PAC had a chance to keep them after they announced they were leaving by paying then a bit more than the other, remaining, PAC schools. Oregon and Washington would not agree to paying UCLA more though they later on agreed to join the B1G for half of what UCLA is getting from the media rights deal. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 11, 2024 18:07:28 GMT -8
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Post by zurac315 on Jul 11, 2024 19:49:29 GMT -8
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Post by aztecking on Jul 11, 2024 20:11:08 GMT -8
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