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Post by aztecjeff on Jun 25, 2024 8:22:45 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Jun 25, 2024 8:38:02 GMT -8
The PAC 2 will wait until the ACC mess shakes out then they will probably add 6 schools by 2026.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jun 25, 2024 9:23:44 GMT -8
The PAC 2 will wait until the ACC mess shakes out then they will probably add 6 schools by 2026. Make sense. but it could make scheduling tough when other teams are deep into conference play. Not sure who they would play. |
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Post by laaztec on Jun 25, 2024 11:04:41 GMT -8
The PAC 2 will wait until the ACC mess shakes out then they will probably add 6 schools by 2026. Make sense. but it could make scheduling tough when other teams are deep into conference play. Not sure who they would play. They would continue the contract to play MWC teams. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jun 25, 2024 11:15:30 GMT -8
Make sense. but it could make scheduling tough when other teams are deep into conference play. Not sure who they would play. They would continue the contract to play MWC teams. Not sure this contract would be renewed after they steal up to six mountain west teams |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jun 25, 2024 11:23:44 GMT -8
7 conference football games a year? You would only end up with 3 conference games a week, is that enough.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 25, 2024 11:40:15 GMT -8
7 conference football games a year? You would only end up with 3 conference games a week, is that enough. You only have a PAC 8 and wait for the a possibley Calford and or UCLA to return to a more regional conference. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jun 25, 2024 12:10:31 GMT -8
7 conference football games a year? You would only end up with 3 conference games a week, is that enough. You only have a PAC 8 and wait for the a possibley Calford and or UCLA to return to a more regional conference. I agree, you get to eight in two years and then wait for Cal, Stan, SMU and Tulane to increase the conference to 12 The question is how many mountain west teams are added to get to eight |
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Post by Gundo on Jun 25, 2024 12:12:56 GMT -8
7 conference football games a year? You would only end up with 3 conference games a week, is that enough. You only have a PAC 8 and wait for the a possibley Calford and or UCLA to return to a more regional conference. The Mountain West's $270 million media rights deal with CBS and FOX, will end after the 2025-26 season. Originally signed at $270MM dollars. The PAC-2/MWC football scheduling agreement runs 2024-25 and 2025-26, opening the possibility of the PAC expansion. Washington State and Oregon State announced a media rights agreement for their home games in 2024, as they will compete as a two-team football conference in the aftermath of the Pac-12s implosion. 11 of their 13 home games will be shown on the CW, with the other two on either Fox or FS1. In that regard, the agreement with the CW and Fox is a massive upgrade, as most OSU and WSU games over the past 10 years were shown on the Pac-12 Networks, which reached about 15 percent of the TV homes. The CW and Fox are broadcast networks available in 99 percent of TV homes. “Given the number of times in recent years they’ve been limited to the (Pac-12 Networks),” a second industry source said, “it will be good for every one." per the SJ Mercury New. The PAC-2 schools smartly prioritized exposure over revenue, and will only be paid between $1MM to $2MM per game. A key fact is the CW kickoff times are favorable. Two of WSU’s six home games are locked into afternoon windows, while three more could start in daylight. Only one, against San Jose State, is guaranteed to kick off after dinner. And, four of Oregon State’s seven home games have been scheduled for afternoon or early-evening starts; the others could kick in afternoon windows. (Information from Jon Wilner, Bay Area Sports Group.) Most MWC football TV games continue to be "after dark" or West Coast Prime slots. The PAC-2 FOX/CW contract is all about exposure which will help them survive, and keep top of mind with the Power Conferences or to reconstitute the PAC-8, PAC-10 or PAC-12 in years to come. |
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Post by Gundo on Jun 25, 2024 13:33:54 GMT -8
You only have a PAC 8 and wait for the a possibley Calford and or UCLA to return to a more regional conference. I agree, you get to eight in two years and then wait for Cal, Stan, SMU and Tulane to increase the conference to 12 The question is how many mountain west teams are added to get to eight As far as academics, here is the current US News National University Rankings. SDSU has the highest ranking for the MWC. 1. San Diego State - ranked #105 2. Oregon State - #142 3. Colorado State - #151 4. Hawaii - #170 5. Washington State - #178 6. Fresno State - #185 7. Nevada (Reno) - #195 8. Wyoming - #216 9. New Mexico - #236 10. UNLV - #269 11. Utah State - #269 12. Boise State - #332 NA. Air Force - Ranked in#7 National Liberal Arts College NA. San Jose State - Ranked # 4 Regional Universities |
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Post by docmm on Jun 25, 2024 13:49:04 GMT -8
A conference of:
West
Oregon State
Washington State
Cal
Stanford
SDSU
Fresno State
East
SMU
Tulane
Colorado State
Boise State
UNLV
Air Force
Would be much better than what we're in now. It would cost the PAC2 about $65M to buy out the MWC teams but the PAC2 would still have about $175M worth of PAC12 money going forward. There would probably be some kind of pay back to Cal and Stanford.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 25, 2024 14:16:20 GMT -8
You only have a PAC 8 and wait for the a possibley Calford and or UCLA to return to a more regional conference. I agree, you get to eight in two years and then wait for Cal, Stan, SMU and Tulane to increase the conference to 12 The question is how many mountain west teams are added to get to eight SDSU Boise Colorado St. UNLV Fresno State Air Force With Oregon State and Washington State that’s a solid football conference. If Calford comes back and the holy grail of UCLA coming back that would be dream scenario. |
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Post by Gundo on Jun 25, 2024 15:08:42 GMT -8
It would start with a $10 million fee to add one MW school and go up to $137.5 million if the Pac-2 took 11 of the 12 MW football-playing institutions. There would be no withdrawal fees owed if the Pac-12 absorbed the entire MW into a rebuilt conference.
Here's an outline of the Pac-12's cost per MW school before the Aug. 2, 2027 deadline.
MW Institution #1: $10,000,000 ($10,000,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #2: $10,500,000 ($20,500,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #3: $11,000,000 ($31,500,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #4: $11,500,000 ($43,000,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #5: $12,000,000 ($55,000,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #6: $12,500,000 ($67,500,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #7: $13,000,000 ($80,500,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #8: $13,500,000 ($94,000,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #9: $14,000,000 ($108,000,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #10: $14,500,000 ($122,500,000 aggregate)
MW Institution #11: $15,000,000 ($137,500,000 aggregate)
Six MW Schools feels like the magic number, should this take place.
1. SDSU - San Diego: 1,107,010 TV households
2. Fresno State: Fresno: 634,120 TV households + Sacramento-Modesto-Stockton 1,502,080 TV households
3. Colorado State: Denver, 1,792,540 TV HHs
4. Air Force: Colorado Springs: 385,730 TV households
5. UNLV: Las Vegas: 870,240 TV households
6. Boise State: Boise: 385,730 TV households
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Jun 25, 2024 15:20:14 GMT -8
I just don't see them paying this much for 5-6 schools. I do not see this amount as being realistic and it would be negotiated down considerably. Also, how can you justify a school being worth that much when you look at the current media deal in place and the value of each school. There is just no way I see this happening as you noted Gundo.
Also, I do think I somewhat understand the language and the agreement in place, but no way this is actually what is going to be paid for 5-6 teams. I just don't see this happening IMO.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 25, 2024 15:27:26 GMT -8
The PAC 2 has $65 million earmarked for rebuilding the conference.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 25, 2024 16:17:34 GMT -8
The PAC 2 will wait until the ACC mess shakes out then they will probably add 6 schools by 2026. If the ACC decides to expand west they will take, in this order: SDSU UNLV OSU Wazzu is left on their own. They have no market and have a huge AD debt. If they can grab Utah that would be the ultimate. Wonder if they could tempt ASU to join as well. I believe they are not committed until August 2. |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 25, 2024 16:18:25 GMT -8
The PAC 2 has $65 million earmarked for rebuilding the conference. And they have to rebuild the conference or they pay all that money back to the previous members. OSU would retain some money given their tourney credits. |
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Post by Gundo on Jun 25, 2024 18:00:06 GMT -8
The PAC 2 will wait until the ACC mess shakes out then they will probably add 6 schools by 2026. If the ACC decides to expand west they will take, in this order: SDSU UNLV OSU Wazzu is left on their own. They have no market and have a huge AD debt. If they can grab Utah that would be the ultimate. Wonder if they could tempt ASU to join as well. I believe they are not committed until August 2. About a month ago, the rumor mill had ACC expansion (based on FSU, Clemson and UNC with possible moves out) to add Utah (SLC DMA - rank #27), Oregon State (Portland DMA - rank #23) and SDSU (San Diego DMA - rank #30) to bolster the West Coast Arm and USF (Tampa St/Pete DMA - rank #13). Media money is really shaping up to be the driving force in ACC expansion discussions. The Big XII will have two schools in SLC (Utah & BYU) so, ESPN is the key factor on the Utah revenue discussion with the ACC. |
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Post by docmm on Jun 25, 2024 20:42:42 GMT -8
I just don't see them paying this much for 5-6 schools. I do not see this amount as being realistic and it would be negotiated down considerably. Also, how can you justify a school being worth that much when you look at the current media deal in place and the value of each school. There is just no way I see this happening as you noted Gundo. Also, I do think I somewhat understand the language and the agreement in place, but no way this is actually what is going to be paid for 5-6 teams. I just don't see this happening IMO. I think the PAC 2 has about $230M they only get to keep if they have a conference but they don't want all the MWC dregs too. Paying $65M still leaves them a lot of money for their own programs. |
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Post by aztecterrier on Jun 26, 2024 7:06:05 GMT -8
The 2PAC waiting to see how the ACC drama plays out will destroy the PAC forever. The west will get raided by the ACC, Washington St will have no choice but to join a diluted MWC, and more likely than not the Aztecs will end up left out again.
The 2PAC should expand ASAP. Give the ACC no one worthwhile in the west to raid. Forces Stanford and Cals hands into coming back.
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