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Post by Frantic on Jun 9, 2024 23:07:50 GMT -8
Thanks. Didn't catch that. So why would Alvarez and the State Legislature carve out higher education? Threading the needle, high schools have fewer alumni and I'm guessing they are far less passionate about the name/mascot. I went to Grossmont, if a politician pushed to push the name from Foothiller to the cacti I couldn't care less, if they pushed to change the Aztec mascot then we would have a problem. Alvarez is trying to placate voters without losing a large part of his base. I say that is giving Alvarez and his buddies the benefit of the doubt. I say Alvarez is first picking the low-hanging fruit. We all know high schools can not form any serious opposition. This Bill will pass. I say this Bill sets the stage for a ban of all Native American people-based mascots in any form from any time, i.e., stretching from the North Pole to the southern tip of Chile, and dating back to before the time of the Sleestacks. |
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Post by AzTex on Jun 10, 2024 9:05:06 GMT -8
Threading the needle, high schools have fewer alumni and I'm guessing they are far less passionate about the name/mascot. I went to Grossmont, if a politician pushed to push the name from Foothiller to the cacti I couldn't care less, if they pushed to change the Aztec mascot then we would have a problem. Alvarez is trying to placate voters without losing a large part of his base. I say that is giving Alvarez and his buddies the benefit of the doubt. I say Alvarez is first picking the low-hanging fruit. We all know high schools can not form any serious opposition. This Bill will pass. I say this Bill sets the stage for a ban of all Native American people-based mascots in any form from any time, i.e., stretching from the North Pole to the southern tip of Chile, and dating back to before the time of the Sleestacks. A technique known as incrementalism. "They've" been using it on us for a long time. Once upon a time our logo was disgruntled Monty. Now all we have is two intertwined letters. Once we had a human mascot representing the great Aztec empire. Since then Montezuma, the king of the Aztecs, was reduced to a warrior, then a spirit warrior and now has disappeared entirely. There's no proof "they" are after the Aztec name, but it's well within reasonable possibilities. Just ask Stanford, formally known as the Indians now just a color. |
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Post by hoobs on Jun 10, 2024 9:22:43 GMT -8
I say that is giving Alvarez and his buddies the benefit of the doubt. I say Alvarez is first picking the low-hanging fruit. We all know high schools can not form any serious opposition. This Bill will pass. I say this Bill sets the stage for a ban of all Native American people-based mascots in any form from any time, i.e., stretching from the North Pole to the southern tip of Chile, and dating back to before the time of the Sleestacks. A technique known as incrementalism. "They've" been using is on us for a long time. Once upon a time our logo was disgruntled Monty. Now all we have is two intertwined letters. Once we had a human mascot representing the great Aztec empire. Since then Montezuma, the king of the Aztecs, was reduced to a warrior, then a spirit warrior and now has disappeared entirely. There's no proof "they" are after the Aztec name, but it's well within reasonable possibilities. Just ask Stanford, formally known as the Indians now just a color. Yeah, and that university really went to $#!+ after they had to change their moniker. Maybe mascots/monikers aren't really all that important to institutions of higher learning, just a thought... |
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Post by AzTex on Jun 10, 2024 12:17:45 GMT -8
A technique known as incrementalism. "They've" been using is on us for a long time. Once upon a time our logo was disgruntled Monty. Now all we have is two intertwined letters. Once we had a human mascot representing the great Aztec empire. Since then Montezuma, the king of the Aztecs, was reduced to a warrior, then a spirit warrior and now has disappeared entirely. There's no proof "they" are after the Aztec name, but it's well within reasonable possibilities. Just ask Stanford, formally known as the Indians now just a color. Yeah, and that university really went to $#!+ after they had to change their moniker. Maybe mascots/monikers aren't really all that important to institutions of higher learning, just a thought... In the grand scheme of things it's not really than important. Sports aren't really all that important either. But they do have some importance in our lives along with the traditions surrounding them. If they didn't have any importance they would have all faded away long ago. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Jun 10, 2024 14:09:36 GMT -8
I am liking the name change idea outside of the motivation behind the movement. The best option will be to embrace the rebrand, and adopt the Conquistadores. After all, the Conquistadores wiped out the Aztecs and Mayans. We can have a Conquistadores on a horse riding around before football games similar to the USC Trojans. That should put an end to the mascot issue; unless they go after USC and the Trojan's Culture.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jun 10, 2024 14:44:11 GMT -8
I am liking the name change idea outside of the motivation behind the movement. The best option will be to embrace the rebrand, and adopt the Conquistadores. After all, the Conquistadores wiped out the Aztecs and Mayans. We can have a Conquistadores on a horse riding around before football games similar to the USC Trojans. That should put an end to the mascot issue; unless they go after USC and the Trojan's Culture. Conquistadors will not fly. LBSU had to ditch the nickname of the 49ers, because it was honoring the gold rush miners. So, to recap, you can't use Aztecs because it is derogatory and you can't use Conquistadors as that is paying homage. www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-prospector-pete-20180921-story.htmlTo see what the end game is here, read what some faculty were advocating for recently. fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/sdsu-student-leaders-move-to-change-mascot-from-aztec-warrior/A new group chaired by the university’s tribal liaison Dr. Jacob Alvarado Waipuk, a member of the San Pasqual Band of the Kumeyaay Nation, will propose two Kumeyaay-named animals for the school’s consideration, according to SDSU’s campus newspaper, which also bears the “Aztec” name. This is about control and why I advocate a Stanford solution to the problem. Don't give the agitators what they want and make sure that the new mascot puts an end to the nonsense. The Wampus Cats with the mascot of Caty-Wampus is fine by me. Take the oxygen out of the room. JMO. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Jun 10, 2024 15:02:48 GMT -8
Thanks for the additional back story. I like your ideas. If that is the case, we might as well sell the naming rights to a Corporate sponsor. Just go with the "Snapdragons" sponsored by Qualcomm or the "Broncos" sponsored by Ford kind of thing along with some sort of Blockchain Meme Token.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 10, 2024 15:09:42 GMT -8
I am liking the name change idea outside of the motivation behind the movement. The best option will be to embrace the rebrand, and adopt the Conquistadores. After all, the Conquistadores wiped out the Aztecs and Mayans. We can have a Conquistadores on a horse riding around before football games similar to the USC Trojans. That should put an end to the mascot issue; unless they go after USC and the Trojan's Culture. Conquistadors would be too funny! It will never happen, but it would be hilarious! I used to think poorly of the Conquistadors, that they just had superior weapons and easily defeated the Aztecs, but they were actually pretty bad ass. The fact that they (with the help of the other tribes) were ultimately successful in conquering a nation as strong as the Aztecs is pretty amazing. A good easy read on the topic is "Conquistador: Hernan Cortes, King Montezuma, and the Last Stand of the Aztecs" by Buddy Levy. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 10, 2024 15:10:43 GMT -8
Thanks for the additional back story. I like your ideas. If that is the case, we might as well sell the naming rights to a Corporate sponsor. Just go with the "Snapdragons" sponsored by Qualcomm or the "Broncos" sponsored by Ford kind of thing along with some sort of Blockchain Meme Token. Now we are talking! Put that money towards paying athletes! (This topic keeps getting better!) |
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Post by pbnative on Jun 10, 2024 17:49:57 GMT -8
I am liking the name change idea outside of the motivation behind the movement. The best option will be to embrace the rebrand, and adopt the Conquistadores. After all, the Conquistadores wiped out the Aztecs and Mayans. We can have a Conquistadores on a horse riding around before football games similar to the USC Trojans. That should put an end to the mascot issue; unless they go after USC and the Trojan's Culture. Conquistadors will not fly. LBSU had to ditch the nickname of the 49ers, because it was honoring the gold rush miners. So, to recap, you can't use Aztecs because it is derogatory and you can't use Conquistadors as that is paying homage. www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-prospector-pete-20180921-story.htmlTo see what the end game is here, read what some faculty were advocating for recently. fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/sdsu-student-leaders-move-to-change-mascot-from-aztec-warrior/A new group chaired by the university’s tribal liaison Dr. Jacob Alvarado Waipuk, a member of the San Pasqual Band of the Kumeyaay Nation, will propose two Kumeyaay-named animals for the school’s consideration, according to SDSU’s campus newspaper, which also bears the “Aztec” name. This is about control and why I advocate a Stanford solution to the problem. Don't give the agitators what they want and make sure that the new mascot puts an end to the nonsense. The Wampus Cats with the mascot of Caty-Wampus is fine by me. Take the oxygen out of the room. JMO. Only a matter of time before more of the University & campus is slowly changed to incorporate more Kumeyaay culture and the Aztec/Mesoamerican will fade. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Jun 10, 2024 21:24:27 GMT -8
Conquistadors will not fly. LBSU had to ditch the nickname of the 49ers, because it was honoring the gold rush miners. So, to recap, you can't use Aztecs because it is derogatory and you can't use Conquistadors as that is paying homage. www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-prospector-pete-20180921-story.htmlTo see what the end game is here, read what some faculty were advocating for recently. fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/sdsu-student-leaders-move-to-change-mascot-from-aztec-warrior/A new group chaired by the university’s tribal liaison Dr. Jacob Alvarado Waipuk, a member of the San Pasqual Band of the Kumeyaay Nation, will propose two Kumeyaay-named animals for the school’s consideration, according to SDSU’s campus newspaper, which also bears the “Aztec” name. This is about control and why I advocate a Stanford solution to the problem. Don't give the agitators what they want and make sure that the new mascot puts an end to the nonsense. The Wampus Cats with the mascot of Caty-Wampus is fine by me. Take the oxygen out of the room. JMO. Only a matter of time before more of the University & campus is slowly changed to incorporate more Kumeyaay culture and the Aztec/Mesoamerican will fade. So the Kumeyaay are self serving? Who'd have thunk it? If we can't be the Aztecs, why do we care in any way to have any other native people, ancient cultures, etc affiliated with our sports programs? Especially our team name?? It reads that the Kumeyaay and our ridiculous Prez are serving their own political beliefs and couldn't care less what the alumni base and current students think. Shocking. It's not like our campus is on Kumeyaay land or burial sites, correct? Add this into NCAA Free Agency, Portal, "NIL", Pay for Play, our spot in Neverland and the lack of sports dollars by not being in a power conference ... all the powers to be will make it easier and easier to find other places to spend time, my dollars, and passions. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 11, 2024 5:18:36 GMT -8
Only a matter of time before more of the University & campus is slowly changed to incorporate more Kumeyaay culture and the Aztec/Mesoamerican will fade. So the Kumeyaay are self serving? Who'd have thunk it? If we can't be the Aztecs, why do we care in any way to have any other native people, ancient cultures, etc affiliated with our sports programs? Especially our team name?? It reads that the Kumeyaay and our ridiculous Prez are serving their own political beliefs and couldn't care less what the alumni base and current students think. Shocking. It's not like our campus is on Kumeyaay land or burial sites, correct? Add this into NCAA Free Agency, Portal, "NIL", Pay for Play, our spot in Neverland and the lack of sports dollars by not being in a power conference ... all the powers to be will make it easier and easier to find other places to spend time, my dollars, and passions. To answer your question. You can take it to the bank that SDSU is built on top of native American sites. The footprint is huge, and there is a drainage just north and down slope from the parking lot. Classic resource utililization and village site areas historically. I'm sure there is information on this, and expansion areas have been monitored for archaeology during construction (post 1973). Not taking a position, but yes ...SDSU is built on top of native American sites...how significant, I don't know. |
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Post by Frantic on Jun 11, 2024 5:50:21 GMT -8
Only a matter of time before more of the University & campus is slowly changed to incorporate more Kumeyaay culture and the Aztec/Mesoamerican will fade. It's happening right before our eyes, not just for SDSU, but San Diego in general. As of yesterday, the City Council will now read this out loud before every meeting: "We respectfully acknowledge that the Kumeyaay Nation are the original inhabitants of the unceded land now known as San Diego. Despite enduring the horrors of genocide and colonization, the Kumeyaay spirit remains unbroken. We honor the resilience of their ancestors who fought to protect their culture and land. Today, they carry their legacy forward, ensuring that their traditions continue to thrive in gratitude and strength. We stand with the Kumeyaay Nation, connected to our past and committed to a thriving future." www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-city-council-passes-kumeyaay-land-acknowledgement-resolution/3537727/ |
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Post by aztecfred on Jun 11, 2024 6:59:44 GMT -8
SDSU -RED N BLACK! Although, I'm sure there will be people offended by this? Appropriation of color?
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 11, 2024 11:05:13 GMT -8
Only a matter of time before more of the University & campus is slowly changed to incorporate more Kumeyaay culture and the Aztec/Mesoamerican will fade. It's happening right before our eyes, not just for SDSU, but San Diego in general. As of yesterday, the City Counsel will now read this out loud before every meeting: "We respectfully acknowledge that the Kumeyaay Nation are the original inhabitants of the unceded land now known as San Diego. Despite enduring the horrors of genocide and colonization, the Kumeyaay spirit remains unbroken. We honor the resilience of their ancestors who fought to protect their culture and land. Today, they carry their legacy forward, ensuring that their traditions continue to thrive in gratitude and strength. We stand with the Kumeyaay Nation, connected to our past and committed to a thriving future." www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-city-council-passes-kumeyaay-land-acknowledgement-resolution/3537727/Unbelievable. And yet predictable. Geee I wonder what the next step is, you know, to make amends for "genocide and colonization". |
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Post by heuschele on Jun 12, 2024 23:30:41 GMT -8
Thanks for the additional back story. I like your ideas. If that is the case, we might as well sell the naming rights to a Corporate sponsor. Just go with the "Snapdragons" sponsored by Qualcomm or the "Broncos" sponsored by Ford kind of thing along with some sort of Blockchain Meme Token. Maybe horses will take offense. At least there are horses to be offended. |
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Post by rebar619 on Jun 13, 2024 10:50:28 GMT -8
While I think these folks have better things to worry about than school mascots, it appears to not apply to SDSU. Moving on.
Section 1, 221.3
(g) This section shall not apply to campuses of the California Community Colleges, the California State University, or the University of California.
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Post by aztecbrothers on Jun 14, 2024 13:46:37 GMT -8
Thanks for the additional back story. I like your ideas. If that is the case, we might as well sell the naming rights to a Corporate sponsor. Just go with the "Snapdragons" sponsored by Qualcomm or the "Broncos" sponsored by Ford kind of thing along with some sort of Blockchain Meme Token. Maybe horses will take offense. At least there are horses to be offended. Even less offending would be some sort of botanical theme with an interesting matchup being the Daisies vs. Pansies. |
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Post by standiego on Jun 14, 2024 13:59:38 GMT -8
as pointed out but some forget to notice - MASCOT not the nickname Aztec and does not involve SDSU but rather High Schools or middle schools
so maybe pick your most important battles - and for most it might be keep the name Aztecs
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Post by aztecbrothers on Jun 14, 2024 14:24:04 GMT -8
as pointed out but some forget to notice - MASCOT not the nickname Aztec and does not involve SDSU but rather High Schools or middle schools so maybe pick your most important battles - and for most it might be keep the name Aztecs Are you saying that we should not make it a priority to change the name to generate revenue with a corporate sponsorship or PE deal? |
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