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Post by sdmotohead on May 16, 2024 7:52:26 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 16, 2024 8:14:42 GMT -8
It's a terrific deal. Their goal was exposure, and CW (& obviously Fox) is available everywhere. CW will also have ACC games as lead-ins, which should help ratings.
The other great aspect of this deal is the Pac 12 Network will produce the games of CW, gaining additional revenue.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on May 16, 2024 8:36:35 GMT -8
It's a terrific deal. Their goal was exposure, and CW (& obviously Fox) is available everywhere. CW will also have ACC games as lead-ins, which should help ratings. The other great aspect of this deal is the Pac 12 Network will produce the games of CW, gaining additional revenue. It will be interesting to see the results, but I think they will be very positive. I found it interesting that they had a Friday night game in the lineup. Fox made a big ta-do about Friday over the air games as well. In any event, this may create an opportunity for teams that have been shut out by the powers that be and a network that is now independent and owned by Nextar. There is some danger as CBS Studios and Warner Bros Studios use the platform to syndicate their production content(Hence CW) but I think the CW sees that the CBS and Warner content may be drying up as CBS and Warner will be moving that to their streaming platforms and they will need to secure more programming. Hence, why Live Sports seem to be their focus, so the MW/PAC and the CW may have their interests aligned. |
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Post by namssa on May 16, 2024 9:19:38 GMT -8
Curious to know how much they got. I'm guessing below expectations since they didn't disclose the financial payouts.
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Post by panammaniac on May 16, 2024 9:30:27 GMT -8
So here's where things potentially get interesting. The PAC 2 is already on record as saying they'd rather not be conference mates with the MWC bottom feeders. This media deal might indicate that the PAC2 has a little more clout than a lot of people gave them credit for. So here's a few different ways things could pan out
1. The PAC takes on the entire MWC to become the PAC 14. In this scenario, I envision Hawaii going in for all sports instead of FB only. However, this goes against the PAC 2's wish to not be aligned with the likes of Wyoming and Nevada.
2. The PAC manages to get the necessary 9 votes together to dissolve the MWC. In that scenario, they can only leave out 3 of the bottom feeders (Wyoming, and I would guess UNM and either USU or Nevada). That leaves 3 schools looking for a conference and very few options to rebuild the MWC. They could potentially offer NMSU, UTEP, Sam Houston, and then scrounge for a couple others (the Dakotas or Montanas?). Geographically that would be a lot better for NMSU and UTEP than the current CUSA, but it would have to be a pretty enticing media deal to leave the CUSA which is now very stable.
3. The PAC 2 uses some of their riches to subsidize exit fees for the MWC schools that it wants. In this scenario they take SDSU, Boise, Fresno, UNLV, probably CSU and Air Force, perhaps SJSU and Hawaii (just trying to make logical guesses) and get back to 8-10. In this case, I think the MWC survives by adding NMSU, UTEP, and Sam Houston.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on May 16, 2024 9:39:15 GMT -8
So here's where things potentially get interesting. The PAC 2 is already on record as saying they'd rather not be conference mates with the MWC bottom feeders. This media deal might indicate that the PAC2 has a little more clout than a lot of people gave them credit for. So here's a few different ways things could pan out 1. The PAC takes on the entire MWC to become the PAC 14. In this scenario, I envision Hawaii going in for all sports instead of FB only. However, this goes against the PAC 2's wish to not be aligned with the likes of Wyoming and Nevada. 2. The PAC manages to get the necessary 9 votes together to dissolve the MWC. In that scenario, they can only leave out 3 of the bottom feeders (Wyoming, and I would guess UNM and either USU or Nevada). That leaves 3 schools looking for a conference and very few options to rebuild the MWC. They could potentially offer NMSU, UTEP, Sam Houston, and then scrounge for a couple others (the Dakotas or Montanas?). Geographically that would be a lot better for NMSU and UTEP than the current CUSA, but it would have to be a pretty enticing media deal to leave the CUSA which is now very stable. 3. The PAC 2 uses some of their riches to subsidize exit fees for the MWC schools that it wants. In this scenario they take SDSU, Boise, Fresno, UNLV, probably CSU and Air Force, perhaps SJSU and Hawaii (just trying to make logical guesses) and get back to 8-10. In this case, I think the MWC survives by adding NMSU, UTEP, and Sam Houston. I think that they are just keeping their options open for as long as possible. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 16, 2024 9:47:51 GMT -8
Curious to know how much they got. I'm guessing below expectations since they didn't disclose the financial payouts. Don't think that was a priority, but it's believed to be between $5-$10M. |
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Post by sdmotohead on May 16, 2024 9:48:42 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 16, 2024 9:54:52 GMT -8
So here's where things potentially get interesting. The PAC 2 is already on record as saying they'd rather not be conference mates with the MWC bottom feeders. This media deal might indicate that the PAC2 has a little more clout than a lot of people gave them credit for. So here's a few different ways things could pan out 1. The PAC takes on the entire MWC to become the PAC 14. In this scenario, I envision Hawaii going in for all sports instead of FB only. However, this goes against the PAC 2's wish to not be aligned with the likes of Wyoming and Nevada. 2. The PAC manages to get the necessary 9 votes together to dissolve the MWC. In that scenario, they can only leave out 3 of the bottom feeders (Wyoming, and I would guess UNM and either USU or Nevada). That leaves 3 schools looking for a conference and very few options to rebuild the MWC. They could potentially offer NMSU, UTEP, Sam Houston, and then scrounge for a couple others (the Dakotas or Montanas?). Geographically that would be a lot better for NMSU and UTEP than the current CUSA, but it would have to be a pretty enticing media deal to leave the CUSA which is now very stable. 3. The PAC 2 uses some of their riches to subsidize exit fees for the MWC schools that it wants. In this scenario they take SDSU, Boise, Fresno, UNLV, probably CSU and Air Force, perhaps SJSU and Hawaii (just trying to make logical guesses) and get back to 8-10. In this case, I think the MWC survives by adding NMSU, UTEP, and Sam Houston. Their #1 priority is for there to be more P4 fallout (i.e., ACC detonates) and they receive an invite to a western pod, which is why we won't see anything happening with them for another year. #2 is your #3, and assumes they can negotiate down the buyouts given the MWC media deal expires in 2026. Can definitely say there is zero interest in Hawaii. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on May 16, 2024 9:59:48 GMT -8
Since the CW does not have production capabilities, it would be interesting to see the PAC get in on that action and work with LIV Golf and Xfinity to generate income. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on May 16, 2024 10:02:47 GMT -8
So here's where things potentially get interesting. The PAC 2 is already on record as saying they'd rather not be conference mates with the MWC bottom feeders. This media deal might indicate that the PAC2 has a little more clout than a lot of people gave them credit for. So here's a few different ways things could pan out 1. The PAC takes on the entire MWC to become the PAC 14. In this scenario, I envision Hawaii going in for all sports instead of FB only. However, this goes against the PAC 2's wish to not be aligned with the likes of Wyoming and Nevada. 2. The PAC manages to get the necessary 9 votes together to dissolve the MWC. In that scenario, they can only leave out 3 of the bottom feeders (Wyoming, and I would guess UNM and either USU or Nevada). That leaves 3 schools looking for a conference and very few options to rebuild the MWC. They could potentially offer NMSU, UTEP, Sam Houston, and then scrounge for a couple others (the Dakotas or Montanas?). Geographically that would be a lot better for NMSU and UTEP than the current CUSA, but it would have to be a pretty enticing media deal to leave the CUSA which is now very stable. 3. The PAC 2 uses some of their riches to subsidize exit fees for the MWC schools that it wants. In this scenario they take SDSU, Boise, Fresno, UNLV, probably CSU and Air Force, perhaps SJSU and Hawaii (just trying to make logical guesses) and get back to 8-10. In this case, I think the MWC survives by adding NMSU, UTEP, and Sam Houston. Their #1 priority is for there to be more P4 fallout (i.e., ACC detonates) and they receive an invite to a western pod, which is why we won't see anything happening with them for another year. #2 is your #3, and assumes they can negotiate down the buyouts given the MWC media deal expires in 2026. Can definitely say there is zero interest in Hawaii. #2 there is no poaching fee or exit fee. The MW ceases to exist. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 16, 2024 10:04:53 GMT -8
Since the CW does not have production capabilities, it would be interesting to see the PAC get in on that action and work with LIV Golf and Xfinity to generate income. The P12 Network will be producing the games for CW. It's in tge contract. It's a second source of income for the P2. Not sure they want to get into the golf world, but they did hire someone recently who's charged with further monetizing their production studio. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on May 16, 2024 10:09:23 GMT -8
Since the CW does not have production capabilities, it would be interesting to see the PAC get in on that action and work with LIV Golf and Xfinity to generate income. The P12 Network will be producing the games for CW. It's in tge contract. It's a second source of income for the P2. Not sure they want to get into the golf world, but they did hire someone recently who's charged with further monetizing their production studio. The PAC is going to have to employ a certain amount of personnel, so you might as well see if you could offset that cost or make profit selling those capabilities. Take all of that ESPN+ content, it's mostly done terribly and not cost effectively. There is an opportunity to use economies of scale for these events that need to be produced. |
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Post by sdmotohead on May 16, 2024 10:09:53 GMT -8
This was from Jon Wilner 4 weeks ago. Very interesting Mercury News |
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Post by sdcoug on May 16, 2024 11:12:29 GMT -8
Their #1 priority is for there to be more P4 fallout (i.e., ACC detonates) and they receive an invite to a western pod, which is why we won't see anything happening with them for another year. #2 is your #3, and assumes they can negotiate down the buyouts given the MWC media deal expires in 2026. Can definitely say there is zero interest in Hawaii. #2 there is no poaching fee or exit fee. The MW ceases to exist. There is a poaching fee in his scenario #3 (taking select MWC programs). There wouldn't be if they took 9, which isn't happening. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on May 16, 2024 11:43:43 GMT -8
#2 there is no poaching fee or exit fee. The MW ceases to exist. There is a poaching fee in his scenario #3 (taking select MWC programs). There wouldn't be if they took 9, which isn't happening. I have no idea what's going to happen. Maybe they just join the WCC and stay independent for football? I do think it is good that the CW is entering live sports. People scoffed at FOX back in the day and people scoff at the CW today because they are broadcasting LIOV golf, Xfinity racing (not nascar), and now the PAC 12 remnants, but national OTA still has power. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 16, 2024 12:32:13 GMT -8
There is a poaching fee in his scenario #3 (taking select MWC programs). There wouldn't be if they took 9, which isn't happening. I have no idea what's going to happen. Maybe they just join the WCC and stay independent for football? I do think it is good that the CW is entering live sports. People scoffed at FOX back in the day and people scoff at the CW today because they are broadcasting LIOV golf, Xfinity racing (not nascar), and now the PAC 12 remnants, but national OTA still has power. Some things are realistic possibilities, others not. Joining the WCC is not, and neither is taking 9 teams to the P12. Reducing the buyouts definitely is a possibility. Agree on CW. Smart move. |
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Post by panammaniac on May 16, 2024 13:08:25 GMT -8
I have no idea what's going to happen. Maybe they just join the WCC and stay independent for football? I do think it is good that the CW is entering live sports. People scoffed at FOX back in the day and people scoff at the CW today because they are broadcasting LIOV golf, Xfinity racing (not nascar), and now the PAC 12 remnants, but national OTA still has power. Some things are realistic possibilities, others not. Joining the WCC is not, and neither is taking 9 teams to the P12. Reducing the buyouts definitely is a possibility. Agree on CW. Smart move. Their agreement with the WCC is for 2 years and 2 years only. Grand Canyon and Seattle are joining the WCC after WSU/OSU's 2 years are up. Neither WSU nor OSU are a cultural fit for the conference. The combined enrollment of those two schools is more than the combined enrollments of all of the other WCC schools combined. They're obviously both public, non-religious affiliated schools. It's just not a fit for anything other than a temporary lifeline. I could be wrong, and I've been wrong once or twice before, but I don't think WSU/OSU would enjoy indy football very much. Nobody wants to travel to Pullman. WSU would be scheduling home games with schools like Eastern Washington, NMSU, Idaho, and UTEP. They'd rarely if ever be able to get any big name school to travel there. OSU might be in slightly better shape. Corvallis is a little less of the beaten path than Pullman, but I don't think they'd do particularly well either. Bottom line is independent football for anyone not named Notre Dame sucks. It's anybody's guess where this all goes. My bet is on the entire MWC becoming part of the PAC 14. I do however see the PAC 2 not being satisfied with that and trying to cherry pick, and if they pull that off it will have a ripple effect on other conferences. At the end of the day, I think the MWC schools band together and say all of us or none of us. By the same token, the PAC 12 schools were saying exactly the same thing 6 months ago and we all know how that worked out. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 16, 2024 14:33:06 GMT -8
Some things are realistic possibilities, others not. Joining the WCC is not, and neither is taking 9 teams to the P12. Reducing the buyouts definitely is a possibility. Agree on CW. Smart move. Their agreement with the WCC is for 2 years and 2 years only. Grand Canyon and Seattle are joining the WCC after WSU/OSU's 2 years are up. Neither WSU nor OSU are a cultural fit for the conference. The combined enrollment of those two schools is more than the combined enrollments of all of the other WCC schools combined. They're obviously both public, non-religious affiliated schools. It's just not a fit for anything other than a temporary lifeline. I could be wrong, and I've been wrong once or twice before, but I don't think WSU/OSU would enjoy indy football very much. Nobody wants to travel to Pullman. WSU would be scheduling home games with schools like Eastern Washington, NMSU, Idaho, and UTEP. They'd rarely if ever be able to get any big name school to travel there. OSU might be in slightly better shape. Corvallis is a little less of the beaten path than Pullman, but I don't think they'd do particularly well either. Bottom line is independent football for anyone not named Notre Dame sucks. It's anybody's guess where this all goes. My bet is on the entire MWC becoming part of the PAC 14. I do however see the PAC 2 not being satisfied with that and trying to cherry pick, and if they pull that off it will have a ripple effect on other conferences. At the end of the day, I think the MWC schools band together and say all of us or none of us. By the same token, the PAC 12 schools were saying exactly the same thing 6 months ago and we all know how that worked out. SDSU doesn’t care about then”other” MWC schools, neither does any of the other “top” MWC schools… no way 9 schools go to P2 |
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Post by panammaniac on May 16, 2024 14:45:02 GMT -8
Their agreement with the WCC is for 2 years and 2 years only. Grand Canyon and Seattle are joining the WCC after WSU/OSU's 2 years are up. Neither WSU nor OSU are a cultural fit for the conference. The combined enrollment of those two schools is more than the combined enrollments of all of the other WCC schools combined. They're obviously both public, non-religious affiliated schools. It's just not a fit for anything other than a temporary lifeline. I could be wrong, and I've been wrong once or twice before, but I don't think WSU/OSU would enjoy indy football very much. Nobody wants to travel to Pullman. WSU would be scheduling home games with schools like Eastern Washington, NMSU, Idaho, and UTEP. They'd rarely if ever be able to get any big name school to travel there. OSU might be in slightly better shape. Corvallis is a little less of the beaten path than Pullman, but I don't think they'd do particularly well either. Bottom line is independent football for anyone not named Notre Dame sucks. It's anybody's guess where this all goes. My bet is on the entire MWC becoming part of the PAC 14. I do however see the PAC 2 not being satisfied with that and trying to cherry pick, and if they pull that off it will have a ripple effect on other conferences. At the end of the day, I think the MWC schools band together and say all of us or none of us. By the same token, the PAC 12 schools were saying exactly the same thing 6 months ago and we all know how that worked out. SDSU doesn’t care about then”other” MWC schools, neither does any of the other “top” MWC schools… no way 9 schools go to P2 Tell me then who does go to the PAC? They need a minimum of 6 to stay viable as a conference. The only way they could get 6 MWC schools would be to subsidize their exit fees. They probably have the money to do that, but will they? Or would they hold their noses and take 9 of the 12? My whole points in all of this are a) nobody knows how it's going to play out at this point; and b) never say never. Nobody predicted the PAC 12 disintegrating either. "We're all sticking together." Until we aren't. |
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