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Post by Gundo on Aug 28, 2024 13:48:19 GMT -8
The more I hear is Wazzu and the Bev are looking for P4 status with the Big XII and/or ACC, with a rebuilt PAC as a 3rd option. A couple of weeks ago Spencer McLaughlin host of Locked On College Football had retired Fox Sports Networks President Bob Thompson about the Pac-12's media rights negotiation, and I thought his valuation range for the PAC was between $8.5MM to $12.5MM for the PAC, which is double the MWC and above the AAC's current deal.
Who knows, I believe that Clemson and FSU will be in the ACC in 2024 & 2025, and perhaps beyond.
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Post by jerry100 on Aug 28, 2024 15:57:22 GMT -8
yes it makes sense the P2 prioritize getting into BIG or Big 12 over rebuilding the PAC. too much money to not explore those options first.
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Post by Den60 on Aug 28, 2024 16:42:12 GMT -8
An important date in the PAC/MWC saga is almost here. On Sept. 1st, the 2 conferences need to sign an extension of their current scheduling agreement. The issue is this; whether to extend the agreement to the 2025/2026 season. Several options are on the table, including whether to sign a new agreement with new terms, extend the existing agreement, or to cancel the whole thing.
My guess is that the agreement will be extended for another year. That would give WashSt/OregonSt another year to decide what they need to do. But the PAC2 will have to get a new conference together by 2026 or they will have to divide the millions they received from the NCAA among the PAC12 members that threw them overboard. I think they must have been working diligently all this time to solve that dilemma.
I think the most likely arrangement would be to poach six teams from the Mountain West. That would probably be SDSU, Fresno, Boise, UNLV, and two from the following: San Jose St., Colorado St., and Hawaii. (Colorado St., in my opinion is better than the other high altitude schools. Better would be SJSU and Hawaii. Those are at sea level.)
People have mentioned schools from the AAC, but dealing with two donating conferences would seem to pose extra problems for the PAC2. There is also the possibility, or maybe the probablility, that those schools would not be eager to joing a conference so far from home, as well as one not so well established as their own.
Also a possibilty, though in my opinion a remote one, is that a Power Conference would invite the PAC2 to join.
These are exciting time.
AzWm SJSU won't be one of them. Hell, they have the lowest AD budget in the MWC by far. CSU is a definite, they were on the list for the PAC9 when Colorado bolted. AFA is being considered but I'd be fine with Hawaii(FB)/Gonzaga. To be honest, I'd take AFA only if they were FB only and paired with Gonzaga. I have heard the AFA has reservations and may be abetter match in the AAC with the other academies. I really don't think another MWC team makes the cut due to travel and markets. They had a better chance to raid the AAC when Calford was in play. If you want Memphis, you need Tulane and at least two other Texas schools to make geographic sense. UTSA would be one and then it would be between Rice and North Texas. But, I think it is unlikely the P2 could attract enough AAC schools to make sense. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 28, 2024 16:48:01 GMT -8
In the scenario mentioned above… the first four are 1. SDSU 2. UNLV 3. CSU 4. AFA but AFA hasn’t shown interest in changing conferences… Interesting that they leave out Boise St and Fresno as ESPN wanted the PAC to look at them before they destructed. They must be thinking they can get Calford back and know they would never be in a conference with those two. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 28, 2024 16:55:04 GMT -8
An important date in the PAC/MWC saga is almost here. On Sept. 1st, the 2 conferences need to sign an extension of their current scheduling agreement. The issue is this; whether to extend the agreement to the 2025/2026 season. Several options are on the table, including whether to sign a new agreement with new terms, extend the existing agreement, or to cancel the whole thing.
My guess is that the agreement will be extended for another year. That would give WashSt/OregonSt another year to decide what they need to do. But the PAC2 will have to get a new conference together by 2026 or they will have to divide the millions they received from the NCAA among the PAC12 members that threw them overboard. I think they must have been working diligently all this time to solve that dilemma.
I think the most likely arrangement would be to poach six teams from the Mountain West. That would probably be SDSU, Fresno, Boise, UNLV, and two from the following: San Jose St., Colorado St., and Hawaii. (Colorado St., in my opinion is better than the other high altitude schools. Better would be SJSU and Hawaii. Those are at sea level.)
People have mentioned schools from the AAC, but dealing with two donating conferences would seem to pose extra problems for the PAC2. There is also the possibility, or maybe the probablility, that those schools would not be eager to joing a conference so far from home, as well as one not so well established as their own.
Also a possibilty, though in my opinion a remote one, is that a Power Conference would invite the PAC2 to join.
These are exciting time.
AzWm The AAC media deal is worth about $7 million per school, which is double the MWC media deal. If the PAC 2 is able to survive by either poaching 6 MWC schools or by merging with the entire MWC, the media deal probably won't be significantly higher than the current MWC deal. I could be wrong, but I don't see any AAC schools that are going to move the needle enough to bring a rebuilt PAC 2 to anywhere near $7 million. If they poach half of the MWC then there's the issue of MWC exit fees to deal with. Instead of losing their war chest to former PAC 12 members, they'd lose it to current MWC members as they subsidize their exit fees. It really is a quagmire with no easy solution. And I know it's not SDSU's problem and most of you don't care, but if half of the MWC gets poached, who does the MWC add to remain a viable conference? The easy answer to that is NMSU/UTEP, but I'm not positive either of those would leave the stability and top-to-bottom competitiveness of CUSA to go to a gutted MWC. I recall reading that this make up would be worth in the $10-12M/team per year: Cal Stanford Ore. State Wazzu SDSU UNLV CSU Tulane Memphis UTSA Rice UNT A conference made up of the following should be in the $8M range: Ore St Wazzu SDSU UNLV CSU Boise Fresno Hawaii/Gonzaga or AFA/Gonzaga |
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Post by aztecfred on Aug 28, 2024 20:21:06 GMT -8
Why would Gonzaga go anywhere near the MWC or the Pac2+? Unless they are worried about a future mess in basketball like we have now in FB? MWC is/will be left behind in FB and the proposed Pac(?) isn’t much of a basketball conference. Maybe, if and only if Calford were to return in a rebuilt Pac 10-12 and SDSU was included.
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Post by laaztec on Aug 28, 2024 21:16:12 GMT -8
May expansion odds for SDSU within the next 2 years.
80% rebuilt PAC 12 member
20% rebuilt ACC member.
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Post by Den60 on Aug 31, 2024 12:43:45 GMT -8
Interesting, PAC2 may be letting the deadline (which is time-linked by the way) pass without extending the MWC football scheduling deal. I had heard that they would likely have a deal done to rebuild the conference by mid August which has passed. Could this be an indication that that is done? x.com/wilnerhotline/status/1829932629761962066 |
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Post by standiego on Aug 31, 2024 15:51:52 GMT -8
by the way Cam Ward ( former WSU QB ) was very good as Miami soundly beat Florida
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 31, 2024 16:04:47 GMT -8
Interesting, PAC2 may be letting the deadline (which is time-linked by the way) pass without extending the MWC football scheduling deal. I had heard that they would likely have a deal done to rebuild the conference by mid August which has passed. Could this be an indication that that is done? x.com/wilnerhotline/status/1829932629761962066Everything I had heard was that the deal had slowed… but that was a couple of weeks ago as I have been traveling on vacation. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 31, 2024 19:57:44 GMT -8
Interesting, PAC2 may be letting the deadline (which is time-linked by the way) pass without extending the MWC football scheduling deal. I had heard that they would likely have a deal done to rebuild the conference by mid August which has passed. Could this be an indication that that is done? x.com/wilnerhotline/status/1829932629761962066Everything I had heard was that the deal had slowed… but that was a couple of weeks ago as I have been traveling on vacation. Well, it is now almost September so it has, indeed, slowed but then there doesn't seem to be an extension in place for the TV deal. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Aug 31, 2024 21:29:33 GMT -8
yes it makes sense the P2 prioritize getting into BIG or Big 12 over rebuilding the PAC. too much money to not explore those options first. Why would either conference take them if they weren't interested previously? If they wanted them they could've offered them when they did with Calford, right? The only way I see that as a possibility is if the ACC loses 2+ teams, like FSU & Clemson leaving to the SEC. Not sure that will happen, |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Aug 31, 2024 21:31:50 GMT -8
by the way Cam Ward ( former WSU QB ) was very good as Miami soundly beat Florida VERY good. He's a difference maker for Miami. Guy is so poised, skilled and in control. Very impressive debut for the Canes. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Aug 31, 2024 21:35:11 GMT -8
yes it makes sense the P2 prioritize getting into BIG or Big 12 over rebuilding the PAC. too much money to not explore those options first. Neither will happen. No way B1G - they look down their noses at both- and if the ACC wanted them they'd have offered it to them previously |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 1, 2024 8:21:13 GMT -8
yes it makes sense the P2 prioritize getting into BIG or Big 12 over rebuilding the PAC. too much money to not explore those options first. Why would either conference take them if they weren't interested previously? If they wanted them they could've offered them when they did with Calford, right? The only way I see that as a possibility is if the ACC loses 2+ teams, like FSU & Clemson leaving to the SEC. Not sure that will happen, I see people mentioning OSU/Wazzu going to a P4 conference all the time and I just ask them "why?" They were left behind for a reason. They are a MWC/WAC school if not for their more the 100 year stint with the PAC. The B12 is their only hope and if the B12 looks west again it will be SDSU taken first. I think UNLV would be second. |
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Post by aztech on Sept 1, 2024 10:43:09 GMT -8
Why would either conference take them if they weren't interested previously? If they wanted them they could've offered them when they did with Calford, right? The only way I see that as a possibility is if the ACC loses 2+ teams, like FSU & Clemson leaving to the SEC. Not sure that will happen, I see people mentioning OSU/Wazzu going to a P4 conference all the time and I just ask them "why?" They were left behind for a reason. They are a MWC/WAC school if not for their more the 100 year stint with the PAC. The B12 is their only hope and if the B12 looks west again it will be SDSU taken first. I think UNLV would be second. It's a stinging ego thing. Aren't they the only modern day former P5 schools who were lefy abandoned by their coherts? |
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Post by samurai on Sept 1, 2024 10:52:13 GMT -8
The rumor on the fan forums is the PAC-2 are negotiating a 6 game scheduling agreement with the Big XII for 2025. They are supposedly offering 2 million per game as opposed to the 1 million they are giving the MWC per game this year. They want to prove they are still a TV draw by scheduling P4 opponents and getting good ratings on the CW. They can than use those ratings as proof they belong with the Big XII or ACC... I commend them. They are not going down to the G5 level without a fight.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Sept 1, 2024 11:36:53 GMT -8
The rumor on the fan forums is the PAC-2 are negotiating a 6 game scheduling agreement with the Big XII for 2025. They are supposedly offering 2 million per game as opposed to the 1 million they are giving the MWC per game this year. They want to prove they are still a TV draw by scheduling P4 opponents and getting good ratings on the CW. They can than use those ratings as proof they belong with the Big XII or ACC... I commend them. They are not going down to the G5 level without a fight. Yes, it shows the two schools have pride and guts. I admire this last-gasp Hail Mary. But it won't work. |
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Post by sdmotohead on Sept 2, 2024 8:40:21 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Sept 2, 2024 9:45:13 GMT -8
Sets the table for the PAC 2 to take the top 6 MW schools. |
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