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Post by docmm on Jun 1, 2024 14:53:09 GMT -8
This isn’t particularly true at all, although it is a good concept. Bayern Munich has won the Bundesliga something like 11 of the last 12 years and it’s still hugely popular with the entire German population. Real Madrid and Barcelona dominate La Liga, but the entire Spanish population is still enthralled. And yet there are posters on here that have said that if SDSU can't compete in the new era of NIL that they would likely lose interest in watching. I guarantee there would be a whole lot of empty seats at Viejas if we can't compete for an extended period of time. There typically weren't more than a couple thousand of us back in the late 90s. And even if we were to win the MWC every once in a while but then get blown out in OOC games and post-season games, most people aren't going to keep attending. That doesn't mean we're not "real fans", it means spending a lot of money and time on what would feel like inevitable losses isn't worth doing. Most of the world isn't made up of what used to be Chicago Cub fans, who came to day games even though they knew they were probably going to lose. But at least they had a lot of sunshine, hotdogs and beer. |
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Post by aztech on Jun 1, 2024 15:08:11 GMT -8
No doubt the bottom feeders in the Power 2 are going to get kicked out at some point. It’s the next logical step. Won't happen in the B1G. When they brought in Penn St the original 10 changed the bylaws so that none of them could be kicked out. Only way an original member can be kicked out is by 100% vote which won't happen because the next schools in line for demotion won't go for it. And it takes the same amount of votes to change that one bylaw. However, Nebraska could be a question mark. Besides no longer being competitive in football or MBB, they're also no longer AAU. That's always been the BIG's prerequesite. |
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Post by AzTex on Jun 1, 2024 15:26:54 GMT -8
This isn’t particularly true at all, although it is a good concept. Bayern Munich has won the Bundesliga something like 11 of the last 12 years and it’s still hugely popular with the entire German population. Real Madrid and Barcelona dominate La Liga, but the entire Spanish population is still enthralled. And yet there are posters on here that have said that if SDSU can't compete in the new era of NIL that they would likely lose interest in watching. Just in case anyone thinks I'm included in this group because I've expressed a fear of losing interest in the Aztecs, and college football in general, because of NIL, let me make it clear. My problem is not that NIL is going to keep us from competing. My problem is the transformation turning great amateur college sports into just more professional games. This will take the heart out of college sports, IMO.
I never lost interest in the Aztecs during the post Gilbert years when we had many low to mid single win seasons or the pre Fisher years when we had many single digit win seasons. We weren't able to complete in those years, but I was still passionate about the Aztecs and would remain so regardless of our on the field success. The new professional aspect combined with the massive transfers occurring with such ease every year is what may kill my interest.
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Post by jdaztec on Jun 1, 2024 15:45:52 GMT -8
I know what you mean Aztex. Aztec sports has been my passion as well and an excellent escape from everything else going on in the world as college sports becomes more about $$$$$$ and basically just a minor league for Pro Sports is just becomes more of the outside noise.
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Post by AzTex on Jun 1, 2024 16:33:03 GMT -8
I know what you mean Aztex. Aztec sports has been my passion as well and an excellent escape from everything else going on in the world as college sports becomes more about $$$$$$ and basically just a minor league for Pro Sports is just becomes more of the outside noise.  |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 2, 2024 8:43:56 GMT -8
No doubt the bottom feeders in the Power 2 are going to get kicked out at some point. It’s the next logical step. Won't happen in the B1G. When they brought in Penn St the original 10 changed the bylaws so that none of them could be kicked out. Only way an original member can be kicked out is by 100% vote which won't happen because the next schools in line for demotion won't go for it. And it takes the same amount of votes to change that one bylaw. Who says anyone is going to get kicked out? They can still be in the B1G but the top schools will leave to form their own league. Same with the SEC. |
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jun 2, 2024 11:29:28 GMT -8
And yet there are posters on here that have said that if SDSU can't compete in the new era of NIL that they would likely lose interest in watching. Just in case anyone thinks I'm included in this group because I've expressed a fear of losing interest in the Aztecs, and college football in general, because of NIL, let me make it clear. My problem is not that NIL is going to keep us from competing. My problem is the transformation turning great amateur college sports into just more professional games. This will take the heart out of college sports, IMO.
I never lost interest in the Aztecs during the post Gilbert years when we had many low to mid single win seasons or the pre Fisher years when we had many single digit win seasons. We weren't able to complete in those years, but I was still passionate about the Aztecs and would remain so regardless of our on the field success. The new professional aspect combined with the massive transfers occurring with such ease every year is what may kill my interest.
I’d still come to watch minor-league sports…just don’t charge me major-league prices… My current MBB seats (albeit center-court) are now $1800 per seat, including the mandatory “donation”…out of the 18 games on the schedule…there are perhaps no more than 5-6 opponents worth paying $100 plus parking / concessions (Point Loma?…South TX?…SD Christian?…UC Riverside?…Bakersfield?…etc.). Movie ticket prices are less than $20 (with reclining seats) and high school games are closer to $5-10…$20 to watch the Lake Elsinore Storm (or Aztec baseball)…$98 RT ticket to Sonoma or Monterey…$35 for city residents to play Balboa 18…that’s what college sports is competing with for people’s entertainment dollars… A new reality (and empty stadiums and arenas) is quickly coming to college sports (and over-priced restaurants…but that’s a rant for another day)… |
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Post by AzTex on Jun 2, 2024 12:35:49 GMT -8
Just in case anyone thinks I'm included in this group because I've expressed a fear of losing interest in the Aztecs, and college football in general, because of NIL, let me make it clear. My problem is not that NIL is going to keep us from competing. My problem is the transformation turning great amateur college sports into just more professional games. This will take the heart out of college sports, IMO.
I never lost interest in the Aztecs during the post Gilbert years when we had many low to mid single win seasons or the pre Fisher years when we had many single digit win seasons. We weren't able to complete in those years, but I was still passionate about the Aztecs and would remain so regardless of our on the field success. The new professional aspect combined with the massive transfers occurring with such ease every year is what may kill my interest.
just don’t charge me major-league prices… My current MBB seats (albeit center-court) are now $1800 per seat, including the mandatory “donation”…out of the 18 games on the schedule…there are perhaps no more than 5-6 opponents worth paying $100 plus parking / concessions (Point Loma?…South TX?…SD Christian?…UC Riverside?…Bakersfield?…etc.). Movie ticket prices are less than $20 (with reclining seats) and high school games are closer to $5-10…$20 to watch the Lake Elsinore Storm (or Aztec baseball)…$98 RT ticket to Sonoma or Monterey…$35 for city residents to play Balboa 18…that’s what college sports is competing with for people’s entertainment dollars… A new reality (and empty stadiums and arenas) is quickly coming to college sports (and over-priced restaurants…but that’s a rant for another day)… If the Aztecs are playing I'm happy to be there. It doesn't really matter to me if we're FBS, FCS, D2 or D3. I'll enjoy the competition. Fortunately I'm in a position where I'm less price sensitive than I was in my younger days so that's not as much of an issue with me. At least I won't be around to pay the higher prices for a whole lot longer.
My major issue is the undesirable situation of watching professional athletes playing what used to be, and should be, amateur sports.
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Post by fowl on Jun 2, 2024 13:20:45 GMT -8
Won't happen in the B1G. When they brought in Penn St the original 10 changed the bylaws so that none of them could be kicked out. Only way an original member can be kicked out is by 100% vote which won't happen because the next schools in line for demotion won't go for it. And it takes the same amount of votes to change that one bylaw. Who says anyone is going to get kicked out? They can still be in the B1G but the top schools will leave to form their own league. Same with the SEC. I never said anyone was/is getting kicked out - just that none of the original 10 schools of the big 10 can be kicked out. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jun 2, 2024 17:22:50 GMT -8
Won't happen in the B1G. When they brought in Penn St, the original 10 changed the bylaws so that none of them could be kicked out. Only way an original member can be kicked out is by 100% vote which won't happen because the next schools in line for demotion won't go for it. And it takes the same amount of votes to change that one bylaw. Who says anyone is going to get kicked out? They can still be in the B1G but the top schools will leave to form their own league. Same with the SEC. This x1000 I don't know if it will be 32 or 40 schools but they will leave the ncaa to form their own professional league and take all sports with them. Like you said that is how they will cut the dead weight is by leaving. Fox and espm are pushing for this big time… less mouths to feed. West Usc Ucla Oregon Washington Mdwest Osu Michigan Notre Dame Penn state Southwest Texas Oklahoma Lsu South Alabama Geoegia Florida Auburn East Florida statw Clemson Virginia I know its only 14 but the rest can be filled in depending on what fox and espn want. |
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Post by docmm on Jun 2, 2024 20:52:59 GMT -8
Just in case anyone thinks I'm included in this group because I've expressed a fear of losing interest in the Aztecs, and college football in general, because of NIL, let me make it clear. My problem is not that NIL is going to keep us from competing. My problem is the transformation turning great amateur college sports into just more professional games. This will take the heart out of college sports, IMO. I never lost interest in the Aztecs during the post Gilbert years when we had many low to mid single win seasons or the pre Fisher years when we had many single digit win seasons. We weren't able to complete in those years, but I was still passionate about the Aztecs and would remain so regardless of our on the field success. The new professional aspect combined with the massive transfers occurring with such ease every year is what may kill my interest.
I’d still come to watch minor-league sports…just don’t charge me major-league prices… My current MBB seats (albeit center-court) are now $1800 per seat, including the mandatory “donation”…out of the 18 games on the schedule…there are perhaps no more than 5-6 opponents worth paying $100 plus parking / concessions (Point Loma?…South TX?…SD Christian?…UC Riverside?…Bakersfield?…etc.). Movie ticket prices are less than $20 (with reclining seats) and high school games are closer to $5-10…$20 to watch the Lake Elsinore Storm (or Aztec baseball)…$98 RT ticket to Sonoma or Monterey…$35 for city residents to play Balboa 18…that’s what college sports is competing with for people’s entertainment dollars… A new reality (and empty stadiums and arenas) is quickly coming to college sports (and over-priced restaurants…but that’s a rant for another day)… I admit it, I'm a seat whore. I worked hard my whole life and when I go see something I want to sit close no matter what the occasion. With advancing age, that desire is increased for added visual and auditory reasons. I also know absolutely no one on this board gives a sh*t about people bitching about what things cost as no one is forcing anyone to buy something they don't want enough. But, even though I can afford things, my pragmatic and old-school upbringing makes it harder and harder to keep shelling out more and more money. This next basketball season will have me spending $400/game for my two seats for most likely 16 games. That's $400 a couple to see the likes of Cal State San Marcos, San Jose State, Wyoming, probably a Cal State Fullerton or Long Beach State here and there and the Air Force Academy. As fans, we're always hoping/assuming things will be good because our legacy is so solid but this NIL$ crap really does feel like it's creating a bit of a doomsday scenario over the next few years even in basketball. If we can no longer compete with the "big boys", I'll still care about the Aztecs, I just won't be spending that kind of money to do so. |
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Post by jdaztec on Jun 3, 2024 7:12:55 GMT -8
It does seem like the"" Golden Goose" Syndrome is creeping up and those that are promulgating it are least aware until the whole thing blows up....when fans have have finally had enough.
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Jun 3, 2024 9:04:15 GMT -8
I’d still come to watch minor-league sports…just don’t charge me major-league prices… My current MBB seats (albeit center-court) are now $1800 per seat, including the mandatory “donation”…out of the 18 games on the schedule…there are perhaps no more than 5-6 opponents worth paying $100 plus parking / concessions (Point Loma?…South TX?…SD Christian?…UC Riverside?…Bakersfield?…etc.). Movie ticket prices are less than $20 (with reclining seats) and high school games are closer to $5-10…$20 to watch the Lake Elsinore Storm (or Aztec baseball)…$98 RT ticket to Sonoma or Monterey…$35 for city residents to play Balboa 18…that’s what college sports is competing with for people’s entertainment dollars… A new reality (and empty stadiums and arenas) is quickly coming to college sports (and over-priced restaurants…but that’s a rant for another day)… I admit it, I'm a seat whore. I worked hard my whole life and when I go see something I want to sit close no matter what the occasion. With advancing age, that desire is increased for added visual and auditory reasons. I also know absolutely no one on this board gives a sh*t about people bitching about what things cost as no one is forcing anyone to buy something they don't want enough. But, even though I can afford things, my pragmatic and old-school upbringing makes it harder and harder to keep shelling out more and more money. This next basketball season will have me spending $400/game for my two seats for most likely 16 games. That's $400 a couple to see the likes of Cal State San Marcos, San Jose State, Wyoming, probably a Cal State Fullerton or Long Beach State here and there and the Air Force Academy. As fans, we're always hoping/assuming things will be good because our legacy is so solid but this NIL$ crap really does feel like it's creating a bit of a doomsday scenario over the next few years even in basketball. If we can no longer compete with the "big boys", I'll still care about the Aztecs, I just won't be spending that kind of money to do so. I hear yah. I really struggled with renewing my seats this season for basketball. My tickets are way too expensive considering the opponents. Combine that with losing interest with NIL. This is all going to end badly. I don't think I attended more than 4-5 games last season so that is like $1k a game. My kids are older and don't want to go. I give them all away to customers. AzTex had some great points so I renewed, but this might be the end of the road. Someone will move into my seats and really appreciate me letting them go. They will not go vacant for long. |
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Post by standiego on Jun 3, 2024 10:34:07 GMT -8
What happens to the ACC is way out of SDSU's hands
So both Football and Basketball have to focus on putting together some quality teams
In addition football needs to make sure fans know what channel the games are on - so they either attend in person and tape them - to show there is a strong interest in watching the team
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Post by Den60 on Jun 3, 2024 19:56:56 GMT -8
Who says anyone is going to get kicked out? They can still be in the B1G but the top schools will leave to form their own league. Same with the SEC. I never said anyone was/is getting kicked out - just that none of the original 10 schools of the big 10 can be kicked out. Again, that is the point. The bottom schools in can stay, the top ones will be leaving. The SEC will do the same. Both the the B1G and SEC remain, just devoid of their best brands. Networks work out a deal for the top 32-40 programs and get to drop those teams that lose the money. |
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Post by myownwords on Jun 3, 2024 22:06:50 GMT -8
You know, it’s getting to the point where I just don’t give a damn.
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Post by LostAztec on Jun 4, 2024 6:25:30 GMT -8
Won't happen in the B1G. When they brought in Penn St the original 10 changed the bylaws so that none of them could be kicked out. Only way an original member can be kicked out is by 100% vote which won't happen because the next schools in line for demotion won't go for it. And it takes the same amount of votes to change that one bylaw. Who says anyone is going to get kicked out? They can still be in the B1G but the top schools will leave to form their own league. Same with the SEC. That exact thing happened to the Big12 and Pac. The highest valued Schools left the havenots holding the bag. As soon as one of the Networks decides it wants an elite CFB League, it will happen. |
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Post by docmm on Jun 4, 2024 6:42:42 GMT -8
You know, it’s getting to the point where I just don’t give a damn. Completely agree. I will leave the world of college football enthusiast long before the avaricious B1G and SEC college presidents finally finish off eating the last feathers of the Golden Goose they have managed to kill. And I will return to that forum momentarily to watch those mercenary bastards all choke on them. |
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Post by standiego on Jun 4, 2024 7:19:06 GMT -8
a majority of the BIG schools that were added have a good amount of TV Viewers so doubt that they will be dropped - same for some of the original BIG schools . What the TV Networks want are the TV Viewers so doubt that schools would be dropped .
Who knows what might happen to the ACC and its major Money maker their ESPN TV deal but there is the clause for Feb 2025 where ESPN can decide If they want to keep the ACC ?
TV money is quite important
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Post by Den60 on Jun 4, 2024 8:33:08 GMT -8
Who says anyone is going to get kicked out? They can still be in the B1G but the top schools will leave to form their own league. Same with the SEC. I never said anyone was/is getting kicked out - just that none of the original 10 schools of the big 10 can be kicked out. But, there is no such rule that says the top schools cannot leave the others behind. There may be some monetary penalties, but no one would be "kicked out" of the B1G or SEC, but there will be schools left behind. |
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