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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 28, 2024 12:37:50 GMT -8
History shows that any power conference considering to add the Aztecs will soon disintegrate...
Example #1: Big East
Example #2: PAC-12
I'd add more examples...but those are the only conference explosions in the past 25 years...so it's just 2 for 2
If the Aztecs are asked to join the ACC...I'll be betting "Don't Pass" on the college conference craps table
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on May 28, 2024 13:08:02 GMT -8
History shows that any power conference considering to add the Aztecs will soon disintegrate... Example #1: Big East Example #2: PAC-12 I'd add more examples...but those are the only conference explosions in the past 25 years...so it's just 2 for 2 If the Aztecs are asked to join the ACC...I'll be betting "Don't Pass" on the college conference craps table Non causa pro causa |
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Post by myownwords on May 28, 2024 14:50:32 GMT -8
History shows that any power conference considering to add the Aztecs will soon disintegrate... Example #1: Big East Example #2: PAC-12 I'd add more examples...but those are the only conference explosions in the past 25 years...so it's just 2 for 2 If the Aztecs are asked to join the ACC...I'll be betting "Don't Pass" on the college conference craps table Very clever, and mayhap bittersweet prescience? |
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Post by myownwords on May 28, 2024 14:54:58 GMT -8
History shows that any power conference considering to add the Aztecs will soon disintegrate... Example #1: Big East Example #2: PAC-12 I'd add more examples...but those are the only conference explosions in the past 25 years...so it's just 2 for 2 If the Aztecs are asked to join the ACC...I'll be betting "Don't Pass" on the college conference craps table The big difference between the two of course, is that the Big East made it official, and slapped it all over Times Square. With the PAC, we were their "dirty little secret", never publicly announced by any official entity running the PAC. |
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Post by Den60 on May 28, 2024 14:58:39 GMT -8
Question: would the 40m a year payout to go to the ACC be worth it considering the upcoming 20-25m profit sharing that is coming? Being stuck trying to compete with the P 2 while making substantially less money. Or would it be better to stay G5 and not into the world of paying players? I think the ACC and big 12 maybe in big trouble in that they will be stuck with the power conference bills without the complete income of the power 2 My concern would be about travel for BB. If the ACC added 3-4 teams west of the Rockies that would create a pod of 5-6 teams to play H&H. So, perhaps 10 games. Then do you do an 18 or 20 game conference schedule. That would mean 4-5 games in the Eastern time zone. If we could charter, that would be a help but that is a lot of flying. We would likely be on par with the western schools in the B1G. But, the academic association will ACC schools would benefit the university in other ways. To be honest, I prefer smaller conferences, 10 members, so you play each team each year in football and basketball. That builds rivalries and interest. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 28, 2024 15:16:39 GMT -8
Question: would the 40m a year payout to go to the ACC be worth it considering the upcoming 20-25m profit sharing that is coming? Being stuck trying to compete with the P 2 while making substantially less money. Or would it be better to stay G5 and not into the world of paying players? I think the ACC and big 12 maybe in big trouble in that they will be stuck with the power conference bills without the complete income of the power 2 My concern would be about travel for BB. If the ACC added 3-4 teams west of the Rockies that would create a pod of 5-6 teams to play H&H. So, perhaps 10 games. Then do you do an 18 or 20 game conference schedule. That would mean 4-5 games in the Eastern time zone. If we could charter, that would be a help but that is a lot of flying. We would likely be on par with the western schools in the B1G. But, the academic association will ACC schools would benefit the university in other ways. To be honest, I prefer smaller conferences, 10 members, so you play each team each year in football and basketball. That builds rivalries and interest. Western Pod: AS Reported: 1. OSU 2. Utah 3. SDSU 4. Cal 5. Stanford 6. SMU I don't see OSU going without WSU. Maybe add WSU and Tulane/memphis |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 28, 2024 15:19:48 GMT -8
Question: would the 40m a year payout to go to the ACC be worth it considering the upcoming 20-25m profit sharing that is coming? Being stuck trying to compete with the P 2 while making substantially less money. Or would it be better to stay G5 and not into the world of paying players? I think the ACC and big 12 maybe in big trouble in that they will be stuck with the power conference bills without the complete income of the power 2 Maybe, but still better than being in the 'completely left behind' G5 conferences. At least being in a G5 you are aware of your slot and wont have to continue chasing after the B1G and SEC. The gap between the P2 and ACC/Big 12 will only get bigger once the the CFP payments start coming in as the P2 get a larger piece of the pie. The ACC/Big 12 maybe just chasing fools gold in the desert trying to keep up. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 28, 2024 16:38:15 GMT -8
and Oregon and Washington were “committed” to the P10 |
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Post by laaztec on May 28, 2024 16:43:56 GMT -8
and Oregon and Washington were “committed” to the P10 So was Colorado and then in a week they went to the Big 12. |
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Post by Den60 on May 28, 2024 19:01:33 GMT -8
and Oregon and Washington were “committed” to the P10 I think UW undermined the process from day one. Interesting that they lost their AD to a B1G legacy team. |
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Post by Den60 on May 28, 2024 19:03:17 GMT -8
and Oregon and Washington were “committed” to the P10 So was Colorado and then in a week they went to the Big 12. Colorado planned to leave, Deion watned the B12 connection to Texas. They also negotiated a $1.5 million payment to them above that the other PAC schools received. |
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Post by laaztec on May 28, 2024 20:35:33 GMT -8
So was Colorado and then in a week they went to the Big 12. Colorado planned to leave, Deion watned the B12 connection to Texas. They also negotiated a $1.5 million payment to them above that the other PAC schools received. Yes. But they were publicly denying any Big 12 interest up to the bitter end. |
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Post by Gundo on May 28, 2024 20:44:07 GMT -8
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Post by LostAztec on May 29, 2024 4:41:27 GMT -8
Real lot could be decided in Feb 2025 when ESPN when they have an option on if ESPN still wants to continue its TV deal with the ACC and what ESPN wants As for SEC or the BIG wanting any of the ACC schools it is all about TV Viewers do the schools have a good amount of Viewers - Rutgers and Maryland were added to the BIG for their Viewers certainly not for the quality of their teams BC is not a high quality football team but do they have a TV following - same with U of Pitt Yes FSU was a good team but with the good amount of schools in Florida - how much does FSU bring in TV Viewers Disney/ESPN will do what's best for themselves. Imo, that would be to take the option and keep the three/four high value Schools at a discount. |
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Post by lemkotir on May 29, 2024 9:43:53 GMT -8
Greg Flugaur is saying all the schools in the ACC is sitting back down, getting off of the realignment stage, except for FSU and Clemson. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZpYYa6HpDAIf the ACC stays in tact, and if there is a fortification to add more schools, and assume that's to block out B12 and to build a western wing, carve out the biggest remaining media markets for media value (and to create PST broadcast 7pm PST windows for ESPN, as there is 2 teams that can play in B12, and only 4 teams in the B10, in that valuable late window), then the future state ACC may look like 18-team league, or 19+ ND without its football. West
Cal Stanford SMU OSU SDSU TBD (Utah?) South
Duke UNC NCSU WFU Miami Gtech North
UoV Vtech Pitt Syracuse Boston Louisville IndyNotre Dame SDSU needs to take the MWC payout + extra travel cost and be in a Power 2 conference (B10 and SEC are Super 2 now). For example, if MWC conference media and CFB expected payout is $7m, extra travel cost is $2m, then $9m is the bottom-line money we should take to be in the ACC. And if San Diego County + SDSU media value to ACC/ESPN is $20m year, then we created extra $11m for existing ACC members to sign off on. Same goes for Oregon State and that last team. |
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Post by LostAztec on May 29, 2024 9:54:59 GMT -8
I find it interesting that Wazzu has not been mentioned in this iteration of the Coast to Coast Conference.
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Post by hoobs on May 29, 2024 10:04:43 GMT -8
Greg Flugaur is saying all the schools in the ACC is sitting back down, getting off of the realignment stage, except for FSU and Clemson. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZpYYa6HpDAIf the ACC stays in tact, and if there is a fortification to add more schools, and assume that's to block out B12 and to build a western wing, carve out the biggest remaining media markets for media value (and to create PST broadcast 7pm PST windows for ESPN, as there is 2 teams that can play in B12, and only 4 teams in the B10, in that valuable late window), then the future state ACC may look like 18-team league, or 19+ ND without its football. West
Cal Stanford SMU OSU SDSU TBD (Utah?) South
Duke UNC NCSU WFU Miami Gtech North
UoV Vtech Pitt Syracuse Boston Louisville IndyNotre Dame SDSU needs to take the MWC payout + extra travel cost and be in a Power 2 conference (B10 and SEC are Super 2 now). For example, if MWC conference media and CFB expected payout is $7m, extra travel cost is $2m, then $9m is the bottom-line money we should take to be in the ACC. And if San Diego County + SDSU media value to ACC/ESPN is $20m year, then we created extra $11m for existing ACC members to sign off on. Same goes for Oregon State and that last team. You can probably remove UNC and UVA from that lineup as the 2 schools most likely to head to the B1G |
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Post by lemkotir on May 29, 2024 10:35:42 GMT -8
Greg Flugaur is saying all the schools in the ACC is sitting back down, getting off of the realignment stage, except for FSU and Clemson. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZpYYa6HpDAIf the ACC stays in tact, and if there is a fortification to add more schools, and assume that's to block out B12 and to build a western wing, carve out the biggest remaining media markets for media value (and to create PST broadcast 7pm PST windows for ESPN, as there is 2 teams that can play in B12, and only 4 teams in the B10, in that valuable late window), then the future state ACC may look like 18-team league, or 19+ ND without its football. West
Cal Stanford SMU OSU SDSU TBD (Utah?) South
Duke UNC NCSU WFU Miami Gtech North
UoV Vtech Pitt Syracuse Boston Louisville IndyNotre Dame SDSU needs to take the MWC payout + extra travel cost and be in a Power 2 conference (B10 and SEC are Super 2 now). For example, if MWC conference media and CFB expected payout is $7m, extra travel cost is $2m, then $9m is the bottom-line money we should take to be in the ACC. And if San Diego County + SDSU media value to ACC/ESPN is $20m year, then we created extra $11m for existing ACC members to sign off on. Same goes for Oregon State and that last team. You can probably remove UNC and UVA from that lineup as the 2 schools most likely to head to the B1G eventually, but not immediately, as FOX is tapped out for money, and UVa and UNC are not worth $70m/year (or whatever the full share is for their new media rights per team/yr) pro rata at their current market value. So unless they go the way of Oregon and WA by taking partial shares, they stay put in ACC. |
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Post by lemkotir on May 29, 2024 10:37:09 GMT -8
I find it interesting that Wazzu has not been mentioned in this iteration of the Coast to Coast Conference. Too low of media market in the middle of nowhere. |
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Post by Den60 on May 29, 2024 10:57:58 GMT -8
I find it interesting that Wazzu has not been mentioned in this iteration of the Coast to Coast Conference. Too low of media market in the middle of nowhere. They also have some significant budget issues. |
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